Occult Ice?

Moobysnax - Lost City

Since I've came back to PWI.. I've noticed a big trend with fist users. Both BM... and to a point Barbarians. Although I am not at the 10x lvls... It seems like kiting vs either will be hard if they use Occult Ice as a genie skill.

What I would like to know is... would it be useful to take Occult Ice as a Wizard to keep them from reaching me while I am or am not immobilized by their Occult Ice? Or should I just hope for the best when I'm immobilized and they are **** me with crazy dps?

I don't have an endgame character so I'm just theorizing here.

Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear

Moobysnax - Lost City wrote: »

Since I've came back to PWI.. I've noticed a big trend with fist users. Both BM... and to a point Barbarians. Although I am not at the 10x lvls... It seems like kiting vs either will be hard if they use Occult Ice as a genie skill.

What I would like to know is... would it be useful to take Occult Ice as a Wizard to keep them from reaching me while I am or am not immobilized by their Occult Ice? Or should I just hope for the best when I'm immobilized and they are **** me with crazy dps?

I don't have an endgame character so I'm just theorizing here.

I hear of other people using it so, it's up to you. I forget if your server is pvp or not, but if it is, don't wait to get your sleep skill, get it ASAP after Undine.

Pure_Black - Harshlands

I have tried occult ice, and defenseive spells.

The problem with occult ice is that you can only target 1 person, and that it needs a high LP genie to be considered reliable. and Str genie is not very good for a wizard, since holy path, extreme poison and for example frenzy are dex based. So you will loose alot of abilities to amp for a extended period of time, to freeze 1 person.

I put expel on my genie. gives 6 seconds of phys damage resistance when cast on yourself, allowing you to break out of a stunlock without a scratch, then continue to annoy the hell out of a them till their spark wears off.

Moobysnax - Lost City

Mk thank you for the input. Gives me a better perspective on the situation.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Pure_Black - Harshlands wrote: »

The problem with occult ice is that you can only target 1 person, and that it needs a high LP genie to be considered reliable. and Str genie is not very good for a wizard, since holy path, extreme poison and for example frenzy are dex based. So you will loose alot of abilities to amp for a extended period of time, to freeze 1 person.

Str is useful for wizards. I have 2 genies, str (main) and dex genie. Str genie with Cloud Eruption, Frenzy, 2nd Wind, etc...

Frenzy uses STR btw not dex. And frankly you can't use both Extreme Poison and Frenzy at the same time unless you have like fully charged genie, not happening often anyway... and you would waste almost all energy.

And Holy Path's dex bonus is kinda worthless so it doesn't matter what genie type you use. 100 dex for 1 sec? Who puts 100 dex on a genie... better put more vit & mag.


My question is, should I learn Occult Ice on my str genie? (80 str)

Adroit - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Str is useful for wizards. I have 2 genies, str (main) and dex genie. Str genie with Cloud Eruption, Frenzy, 2nd Wind, etc...

Frenzy uses STR btw not dex. And frankly you can't use both Extreme Poison and Frenzy at the same time unless you have like fully charged genie, not happening often anyway... and you would waste almost all energy.

And Holy Path's dex bonus is kinda worthless so it doesn't matter what genie type you use. 100 dex for 1 sec? Who puts 100 dex on a genie... better put more vit & mag.


My question is, should I learn Occult Ice on my str genie? (80 str)

@. If I were to make a str genie, occult ice would be the first skill I'd get. I would love to have occult ice on my genie, but it isn't worth it without a ton of str.. and the dex for spark is more important to me.

Roriror - Lost City

i'd say go for it.

i have OI on my genie and it helps a lot but in pvp really think about using it

though.

it is a % chanced skill.

i only use it when i'm gonna spark other wise i save genie for top.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

I guess I spam genie skills way too often and rarely get full energy back so it's why I thought Frenzy+Extreme Poison is not feasible most times. XD

My dex genie has Spark and Extreme Poison (obviously), is it worth it to get to 100 dex from 80 just for spark?

Adroit - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I guess I spam genie skills way too often and rarely get full energy back so it's why I thought Frenzy+Extreme Poison is not feasible most times. XD

My dex genie has Spark and Extreme Poison (obviously), is it worth it to get to 100 dex from 80 just for spark?

well my ideal genie would probably have 80 dex.. but I know people that use badge so getting that extra 20 dex could be fairly important. It can also affect a number of other skills.. if you went from 80-100 dex my fortify would last longer etc etc

PrettySammy - Sanctuary

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I guess I spam genie skills way too often and rarely get full energy back so it's why I thought Frenzy+Extreme Poison is not feasible most times. XD

My dex genie has Spark and Extreme Poison (obviously), is it worth it to get to 100 dex from 80 just for spark?

As someone with a 100 dex genie I can yes from my point of view it is worth it. My fortify lasts longer and a sutra combo of FoW-Spark >- [D Pyro, Pyro, WotP, D Pyro] I can do anywhere between 10k - 20k damage in under 6 secs. This does depend on target weapon etc etc etc. However for Arcane / LA targets this makes life really easy, you cn even boost damage further by switching the final d pyro for bt providing your at max sparks and chi.

I will conceed however that you point on the str genie is valid, I did have one of those too for frenzy mainly. As far as occult ice goes, i found it pretty unreliable besides in my case FoW and SW usually are enough.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Pure_Black - Harshlands wrote: »

I have tried occult ice, and defenseive spells.

The problem with occult ice is that you can only target 1 person, and that it needs a high LP genie to be considered reliable. and Str genie is not very good for a wizard, since holy path, extreme poison and for example frenzy are dex based. So you will loose alot of abilities to amp for a extended period of time, to freeze 1 person.

I put expel on my genie. gives 6 seconds of phys damage resistance when cast on yourself, allowing you to break out of a stunlock without a scratch, then continue to annoy the hell out of a them till their spark wears off.

occult ice is str based
frenzy is str based (only energy...)
cloud eruption is str based... good thing wizards need no chi xD
ep, holy path, even expel (well 2 seconds less..) work just fine without any dex


dex skills
expel is to slow - you need to target yourself first now..

get a 100 dex genie only for spark?
the adds on holy path and ep are not worth getting any dex...

just ...is it really worth giving up all the skills for one?

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

OK, lets make this thread more useful for those of us whose heads swim when it comes to cobbling together genie skills.

Post your genie skills/attributes/points if you have a genie with OI, or post the best genie you could make with OI for a wiz. Assume 60/90 lucky points, or maybe 70/90 if you absolutely have to.

NonameWiz - Sanctuary

Me no likey OI, me like Electro dance