Wizards: Demon or Sage?

AsimM - Raging Tide

So I see SO many Wizards debating on whether to go the path of Sage or Demon. I'll also magically turn this into a guide so Wizards who haven't decided which one.

Here are the pro's of both:
Sage: 1) Sage chi skill! Yayy (50 chi every 60 seconds)
2) The effect on Black Ice Dragon Strike (50% chance to improve critical rate by 30%)
3) Effect on Blade Tempest (Has a 50% chance(?) to cost 1 spark)

Demon: 1) Demon Spark effects! (700% weapon damage, 25% channeling increase, and 20% Mana increased)
2) Channeling reduced for Pyrogram and Glacial Snare.
3) Demon taunt skill, which decreases an enemy's chi by 50 every 30s (You'll get a good laugh at the sages)
4) Effect on Stone Rain (20% chance to stun for FIVE seconds)
5) Effect on Emberstorm, our "useless" skill. (Chance to stun, just like Stone Rain)
6) Effect on Will of the Pheonix (Increases the AOE by 50%(?))
7) Random awesome effects on others (http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php)



Now here's the cons of both:

Sage: 1) Demons can get rid of that chi and lol @ you
2) Almost all other skills are ****
3) Sage spark only grants 500%, and reduces damage (Which we'll die anyway lol)


Demon: 1) You'll probably have a problem with chi (Unless you have Cloud Eruption)
2) You'll get made fun of for going demon (But you'll show them all!)






This is a very debatable topic, so leave comments wherever you wanna leave 'em. I believe that Wizards go Sage to "Cover up their weakness," which is defense. Also, most of our attacks are used with chi (at least the good ones lol), so there Sage is also exceptionally good. I personally went Demon, and strongly support it. This is because instead of covering up our weakness, we should ADD ONTO OUR STRENGTH, which is "Nuking the s*** out of others." So yeah, see ya guys in-game b:laugh

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

Js...but if you build your mage right for endgame, being squishy wont be a major problem. so sage isnt really to cover up a weakness

Adroit - Lost City

AsimM - Raging Tide wrote: »

So I see SO many Wizards debating on whether to go the path of Sage or Demon. I'll also magically turn this into a guide so Wizards who haven't decided which one.

Here are the pro's of both:
Sage: 1) Sage chi skill! Yayy (50 chi every 60 seconds)
2) The effect on Black Ice Dragon Strike (50% chance to improve critical rate by 30%)
3) Effect on Blade Tempest (Has a 50% chance(?) to cost 1 spark)

Demon: 1) Demon Spark effects! (700% weapon damage, 25% channeling increase, and 20% Mana increased)
2) Channeling reduced for Pyrogram and Glacial Snare.
3) Demon taunt skill, which decreases an enemy's chi by 50 every 30s (You'll get a good laugh at the sages)
4) Effect on Stone Rain (20% chance to stun for FIVE seconds)
5) Effect on Emberstorm, our "useless" skill. (Chance to stun, just like Stone Rain)
6) Effect on Will of the Pheonix (Increases the AOE by 50%(?))
7) Random awesome effects on others (http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php)



Now here's the cons of both:

Sage: 1) Demons can get rid of that chi and lol @ you
2) Almost all other skills are ****
3) Sage spark only grants 500%, and reduces damage (Which we'll die anyway lol)


Demon: 1) You'll probably have a problem with chi (Unless you have Cloud Eruption)
2) You'll get made fun of for going demon (But you'll show them all!)






This is a very debatable topic, so leave comments wherever you wanna leave 'em. I believe that Wizards go Sage to "Cover up their weakness," which is defense. Also, most of our attacks are used with chi (at least the good ones lol), so there Sage is also exceptionally good. I personally went Demon, and strongly support it. This is because instead of covering up our weakness, we should ADD ONTO OUR STRENGTH, which is "Nuking the s*** out of others." So yeah, see ya guys in-game b:laugh

*WARNING* n00b offering advice about something he knows nothing about.
Disregard this "guide"

Amour - Lost City

Go sage cause the 1st and 3rd fairies are pretty.
b:thanks

Dvalinn - Lost City

Hi, I'm going to preach about stuff I am uninformed about!

also, ^^^

Bowlinbob - Lost City

since when does sage grant 500%.... they both grant 700% lol..

Adroit - Lost City

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

since when does sage grant 500%.... they both grant 700% lol..

SHHHHHHHH don't tell him! b:chuckle

Bowlinbob - Lost City

but its my duty to inform on-lookers of this fail thread to avoid future confusion >:

Its my duty as a troll to point out others' mistakes

HAI ANDROIDb:bye

/edit fyi my mage is going sage in 2.4 levels

strictly because sage rhymes with mage.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Me went sagemon.

Me got the worst of both worlds.
O_o'
really need to hit 100 and get that sage/demon conversion.
._.'

Adroit - Lost City

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

but its my duty to inform on-lookers of this fail thread to avoid future confusion >:

Its my duty as a troll to point out others' mistakes

HAI ANDROIDb:bye

HAI BOBNILWOB! b:bye

AsimM - Raging Tide

Jeez you guys ARE trolls b:laugh I'm posting bulls*** more often

Ruli - Heavens Tear

Perfect answer too all your woes.
U N I S T A L L

Ursa - Dreamweaver

AsimM - Raging Tide wrote: »

So I see SO many Wizards debating on whether to go the path of Sage or Demon. I'll also magically turn this into a guide so Wizards who haven't decided which one.

Here are the pro's of both:
Sage: 1) Sage chi skill! Yayy (50 chi every 60 seconds)
2) The effect on Black Ice Dragon Strike (50% chance to improve critical rate by 30%)
3) Effect on Blade Tempest (Has a 50% chance(?) to cost 1 spark)

Demon: 1) Demon Spark effects! (700% weapon damage, 25% channeling increase, and 20% Mana increased)
2) Channeling reduced for Pyrogram and Glacial Snare.
3) Demon taunt skill, which decreases an enemy's chi by 50 every 30s (You'll get a good laugh at the sages)
4) Effect on Stone Rain (20% chance to stun for FIVE seconds)
5) Effect on Emberstorm, our "useless" skill. (Chance to stun, just like Stone Rain)
6) Effect on Will of the Pheonix (Increases the AOE by 50%(?))
7) Random awesome effects on others (http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php)



Now here's the cons of both:

Sage: 1) Demons can get rid of that chi and lol @ you
2) Almost all other skills are ****
3) Sage spark only grants 500%, and reduces damage (Which we'll die anyway lol)


Demon: 1) You'll probably have a problem with chi (Unless you have Cloud Eruption)
2) You'll get made fun of for going demon (But you'll show them all!)






This is a very debatable topic, so leave comments wherever you wanna leave 'em. I believe that Wizards go Sage to "Cover up their weakness," which is defense. Also, most of our attacks are used with chi (at least the good ones lol), so there Sage is also exceptionally good. I personally went Demon, and strongly support it. This is because instead of covering up our weakness, we should ADD ONTO OUR STRENGTH, which is "Nuking the s*** out of others." So yeah, see ya guys in-game b:laugh

the red part makes your whole argument invalid and qualifies you as an idiot...not that the rest had any good parts in it, but yeah, the red one pretty much put you back in the daycare sandbox

Loltank - Harshlands

Ruli - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Perfect answer too all your woes.
U N I S T A L L

Ruli - Heavens Tear wrote: »

U N I S T A L L

U N I S T A L L

I lol'd.
10lolz

Lejont - Raging Tide

ijs he allrdy said he was in favor of demon but i think this was thread to tell people to go demon cause i c u he pointed at more pros for demon then sage

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Lejont - Raging Tide wrote: »

ijs he allrdy said he was in favor of demon but i think this was thread to tell people to go demon cause i c u he pointed at more pros for demon then sage

I didn't started point pros for sage, because it would be huge list and I wrote it already lot of time.

Just most important. Mage power depend on chi. I think I don't have to tell more. ;-)

kenlee

on a serious note, some arguments are still valid but this is mostly for pk or 1vs1. sucks to be targeted a lot in tw's, you die and you have no chi after that or your chi gain in time just sucks. the chance to do more ultis with your chi, the chance to crit more with one of them is more useful that a demon triple spark and single target...

Abysm - Heavens Tear

what is this I don't even

MrHanky - Harshlands

im still waiting for someones to steals my chis..........

Loltank - Harshlands

MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »

im still waiting for someones to steals my chis..........

I have never even bothered to use that move in pvp except as a joke lol

Mo Zun's Taunt is the most overlooked skill in history, I'm afraid.


EDIT: Would combining that with Chi Siphon **** over cata barbs completely? Seems like a good idea...

Ursa - Dreamweaver

yeah, the guy thinks demon wizards stalk other chars stealing their chi every 60 seconds.
rofl.
Like, I really care if starting a fight from full spark someone is going to steal 50 chi from me. pff...if he's really that eager to have a chi advantage, I'll cast twice earth barrier to make him happy before the fight

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

heck, another thread about this b:sad ? nooo ....



*mo tzun taunt is pretty useless



can think only of 1 time when it was of a use

vs marrowed Vit Axe BM (some still exist lol)- *insert 5 minutes of kiting, ticking etc here* - kicking in a anti stun pot, Bm wasting chi on aoe Stun, i destroy the chi he needs for HF with taunt, >demon spark< HP drops


hmmm sage chi skill still of more use in any situation !

fulgida

Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »

I have never even bothered to use that move in pvp except as a joke lol

Mo Zun's Taunt is the most overlooked skill in history, I'm afraid.


EDIT: Would combining that with Chi Siphon **** over cata barbs completely? Seems like a good idea...

Taunting might be fun in a sutra, or in a rare situation where time does not matter, or in a rarer situation where you know that chi is critical.

But I think it's biggest use in PK would be to show someone you completely outclass them -- instead of attacking them, you taunt them.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »

I have never even bothered to use that move in pvp except as a joke lol

Mo Zun's Taunt is the most overlooked skill in history, I'm afraid.


EDIT: Would combining that with Chi Siphon **** over cata barbs completely? Seems like a good idea...

not really hurt that much this chi loss on 89+ cata

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

heck, another thread about this b:sad ? nooo ....



*mo tzun taunt is pretty useless



can think only of 1 time when it was of a use

vs marrowed Vit Axe BM (some still exist lol)- *insert 5 minutes of kiting, ticking etc here* - kicking in a anti stun pot, Bm wasting chi on aoe Stun, i destroy the chi he needs for HF with taunt, >demon spark< HP drops


hmmm sage chi skill still of more use in any situation !

nice when u able to that, there usefull, but in most situation not really have time for chi skills when have 1 vs1 or 1 vs 2 or just they gain back.

kenlee

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yeah, the guy thinks demon wizards stalk other chars stealing their chi every 60 seconds.
rofl.
Like, I really care if starting a fight from full spark someone is going to steal 50 chi from me. pff...if he's really that eager to have a chi advantage, I'll cast twice earth barrier to make him happy before the fight

its 30 sec not 60 but let that to other classes like venos to debuff and also get chi remove with other skill. wizards have other things to do in tw

AsimM - Raging Tide

You guys made a HUGE deal about that taunt. The reason I went demon was because I read over ecatomb like 4 times before making my decision. The taunt + demon spark is just a little amusing add to it.



P.S. - The Sage thing about it being 500% was a mistake. You guys are making a big deal about NOTHING.


P.S. #2 - This is a "guide" if you want it to be. I'm just expressing my opinions about this topic, not telling you which path to take.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

fact the demon skills better at lv 89/92 (not all but mostly) till sage advatage (example: enough bonus damage from masteries, Bt/Ms/Sbids ) noticeable only later (same about how much worth that 30% eq pdef difference from earth barrier). when u get ur end game eq.

this is why few ppl say if u dont go till 99 better if u go to demon because mostly they get most advantage at lv99- but this dosnt mean if somebody want play seriously with his wizz than sage worse than demon :P

P.S. - The Sage thing about it being 500% was a mistake. You guys are making a big deal about NOTHING.

maybe its noticeable difference. :P

P.S.
i dont see too much demon wizz who got enough time for useing 3rd fury, mostly they are forced to use sutra and ulti because harder to collect enough spark and time in real pk if they cant hide in background. (and mostly when ppls see sage or demon 3rd spark then use godline or just fall down, if they was paralyzed then use domain and fall down after that so gl for useing mainly in pve or for backstabbing XD)

fulgida

My wizard is demon, because I am a casual player and i do not expect to be going into TW very often, and because I enjoy control spells. (And i am foolishly optimistic and hope that some day I shall have demon stone barrier.)

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

fulgida wrote: »

(And i am foolishly optimistic and hope that some day I shall have demon stone barrier.)

b:chuckle


saw one in AH for 25 mil the other day

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

I bought sage stone barrier for 7M. Not bad. ;-)

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I bought sage stone barrier for 7M. Not bad. ;-)

Same here, same price b:victory

I kinda annoyed few lvl 100 wizzies from my guild by learning this skill before them =P