Tired of been a fool?

Lady_Sam - Lost City

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

None of those should make you feel like the fool. It's the squad/barb/BM/Sin/whatever failing there. Not you.

BH breeds new levels of noobs.

Exactly what this guy says. If you're smart enough to not heal until the tank has all the aggro, then you shouldn't feel bad if you're in a squad of morons.

Besides, it's a true test of the clerics ability if they're able to survive in the dumbest of squads. b:chuckle

XXMonaXx - Heavens Tear

truekossy wrote: »

Your DDs must be spending the whole time standing around looking pretty or something because I don't know of any time I've been in a squad as purely a DD and not had any bill after we were finished.

There is an abundance of DD's who ride along in BH's levelling fast and don't actually realise that the tank has a hefty bill after it, even the cleric manages to accumulate a bill when they're in a disorganised squad. What class are you usually? Venos and assassins are usually the ones who stand around doing nothing when I'm in a BH squad. Or sometimes it's an extra cleric who stands there doing nothing when they could be healing or DD.

I tend to deliberately let slackers die though
Heck, only need a tank and a cleric to do BH.

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

BH breeds new levels of noobs.

Reshanta - Sanctuary

truekossy wrote: »

Your DDs must be spending the whole time standing around looking pretty or something because I don't know of any time I've been in a squad as purely a DD and not had any bill after we were finished.

I think he means bills for buying pots, not repair bills.

Majesta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am truely scared to do BHs with a random squad on my alt veno (lvl55) b:sad it's no joke!

I'm that same way, but this topic has sort of given me a confidence boost. I'm kind of tired of traditional grinding, and wanna level up a different way for a while.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear

Konavi - Sanctuary wrote: »

As a Cleric i feel like a fool when the squad I am in does following things during BH:

1.Aggroes to many mobs at once;
2.Stay incoming bosses way;
3.Barb does not hold agro;
4.Barb has some junk armor with no element resistance or completely not have a element resistance(worst no earth);

Which makes my death very swift.
I do not know what to do any more i like being DD cleric.
Only solution i see make equipment check on other people in my squad before i go with them anywhere.
Please vote if these thing happen to you too

Every last "DD" Cleric I have squadded with has been responsible for more party wipes than all the fail <insert class here> that I've been with. No exceptions.

There's a skill to being able to be both DD and support as a cleric, I've run into a few that balance it perfectly.

WnbTank - Archosaur

What I hate is fail clerics, lucky me got some good ones on friend list. Funny thing is that one tend to say "you can`t do instances w/o me", after I have cursed one more random cleric making me juggle to keep myself alive and hold aggro when cleric does god knows what.

Meh, some bosses I can`t cover when cleric dies but pretty often I can play with the boss long enough for cleric to come back, like running around xp room when somebody fails on hands... Also tanked Bishop boss w/o noticing cleric was dead, till I was starting to curse clerics name after playing with genie, apos & pots for some time. Cleric was back pretty much right at that moment from running all the way from Snowy village

Meh, sometimes cleric heals when I start moving and takes one stack on him/her, but meh, usually BM saves cleric and I can continue pulling, though I tend run back and check everyones okey. Still it just kill me to use roar before gathering mobs and trusting alpha keeps aggro long enough, luckily that is needed on so rare incidents it dun matter.

Also, it`s quite damn rare to see cleric whom knows what turtle looks like & understands to ress dead ppl, when something went wrong. I tend to call that I turtled, ress ppl, but usually I have to hit Solid shield after it as cleric takes his/her time.

Don`t get me started with squads where are 2 or more clerics, in the end, nobody freaking heals the tank...

+DDs who QQ about bills after instances, meh, I got some 70k repairs after 1 FC, unless there is herc veno and/or Lunar claw BM to tank some stuff. That NOT counting possible pots/apos/etc, charm also if I have one equipped after TW or something of that sort, I just kinda try to burn it in PK before doing instances =/.

DrazoThePsy - Dreamweaver

Majesta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am truely scared to do BHs with a random squad on my alt veno (lvl55) b:sad it's no joke!

Unless I'm in it, then sometimes the fail squad becomes a successful squad. b:victory

Actually with good teamwork a squad with a bad balance of classes can be just as good as a perfectly balanced one....as long as you have at least one good cleric it might work. As long as everyone looks out for each other as well as themselves then there would be little or no trouble. b:victory

Usually squad runs are about teamwork and little about the ingredient types.

Majesta - Dreamweaver

DrazoThePsy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Unless I'm in it, then sometimes the fail squad becomes a successful squad. b:victory

Actually with good teamwork a squad with a bad balance of classes can be just as good as a perfectly balanced one....as long as you have at least one good cleric it might work. As long as everyone looks out for each other as well as themselves then there would be little or no trouble. b:victory

Usually squad runs are about teamwork and little about the ingredient types.

That's why I made a cleric too ghehe.
But you are absolutely right; it's all about teamwork. It just happens way too often when you try to tell someone what to do (as in; it's better this or better that way) they
1. get mad > cause they know better than you (I never tell em I have a 99 main char b:chuckle)
2. they leave squad because they feel insulted
3. they just don't listen and do their own stuff, thus getting everyone else killed.
There's only very few ppl i have squaded with that actually really wanna try to work together instead of being a total a$$

Also note that very few actually have patience these days, it seems. Squads have to be formed NAO and BH run itself has to be run rather yesterday than today and within 5min pl0x... ugh..

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

1. What you may consider too many, a more skilled player may find as totally normal. I've seen so many times where a person gathered a full room of mobs or more and before they could get the mobs grouped up together to AoE them, the cleric or random squad members would panic and it would either lead to a wipe, or wind up with the person who was gathering as the only one standing.

Fuzzy had to quote that one.

When bored me will answer random shouts for bh's.. fun way to kill some time now and again. Also gives Fuzzy a chance to see some of the "up-an-comming" people in action. Sometimes its impressive, sometimes..... ....not so much.

Me always gets a laugh when rounding up as much as Fuzzy can personally take and someone else will start to attack before me actually lights off a skill to catch em. By the time you are getting into Valley of Disaster or Wraithgate or Hallucinatory etc, you should be able to tell the difference between when a barb is simply gathering mobs and when he actually has their full attention.

b:cute

Nakhimov - Lost City

As a healer, there's a phrase that you'll hear a lot in WoW.

"You can't heal stupid"

If someone's stupid, don't waste your time healing them. b:cute

Redmenace - Heavens Tear

Konavi - Sanctuary wrote: »

As a Cleric i feel like a fool when the squad I am in does following things during BH:

1.Aggroes to many mobs at once;
2.Stay incoming bosses way;
3.Barb does not hold agro;
4.Barb has some junk armor with no element resistance or completely not have a element resistance(worst no earth);

Which makes my death very swift.
I do not know what to do any more i like being DD cleric.
Only solution i see make equipment check on other people in my squad before i go with them anywhere.
Please vote if these thing happen to you too

Maybe you should just stick to running those instances yourself. You're the only player you can trust, you know.

RedMenace

Aya__ - Heavens Tear

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is your fault. You should've let the archer die, pure and simple. The boss would reset and continue on his merry go-round. Soon as the boss was far enough, you'd rez the archer and not have a problem..

^this
if i see i cant save someone i let them die. alive cleric can res. dead cleric can only go to town/ use scroll... its hard thing to learn but you should try. and i definitely would NOT sacrifice myself for DD. sorry all DDs out there, i love you and you are important in squads, but that is how i set my prorities, main cleric and tank come before you...

I agree to a point; but keep in mind that barbs are melee tanks, as in the damage your barb gets when he gets up close and personal to a boss is 90% physical damage. Constant ironhearting should be more than enough to keep him alive.

Never saw barb sharded for mdef... if you come up close enough every mob and boss in this game will use melee attack. so barbs usually shard citrines (or stone of savant for those who can afford), HA usually has a lot of pdef on it, so garnets arent very common...

Also someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Fushma's rock throwing is actually ranged physical damage, not earth magic (regardless of the animation).

yeah, hes ranged physical. as almost everything in 51... OP: if you arent sure what kind of damage something deals use plume shell and check. hit with magic will be the same (but as arcane you can take it) physical hit will be lowered (so you will live long enough for physical tank to take aggro). on a side note: experiments on bossess are best done with good squad and one more cleric with leveled res...