Make a class thats able to see all assasins...

OlieTheKing - Lost City

i think gms should make one class that has a skill to see assasins within a certain range or something simular, the elf race would fit this as you could call the skill eagle eye or something, just makes sence that one class should be able to always own sins as every other class has this...

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

there are 2 classes already

you can make a GM class

or

you can make a sin that is at max lvl which this case for pwi is 105

OlieTheKing - Lost City

what im saying is there is always 1 class that can destroy another class in pvp and the only way to even catch a sin at the moment in stealth is to have a higher lvled one...

volst

Technically psychics should be able to detect them... but that's really just PWE being failures in translating/making class names. b:quiet

KyyranthoX - Heavens Tear

After we get GMs to do this we can get them to make a class that stops BMs stunning, a class that stops archers having such a long range, etc.

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

If you want the class for winning against a sin who surprise attacks you, you need to roll a lvl 100 BM with 4.0 aps ^.^

Asperitas - Lost City

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you want the class for winning against a sin who surprise attacks you, you need to roll a lvl 100 BM with 4.0 aps ^.^

Are you sure?

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

Asperitas: Out of what i've seen, the BM's who (when at lvl 100) did a restat to take their str down to minimum for axes, and minimum for fists. Then placed all the leftover points in their vit, add in their usually really nice refines (+7-+10 for armor, with a usual +5-+8 on wep w/ a rare +10).

their HP is usually around the 11k mark, making it almost impossible to kill them (if charmed), even if a sin is to "surprise attack" them and use a sleep/stun/sleep/stun combo to hold them there, the moment they have a chance to roar they win.

That being, because maxed out roar (lvl 10, non demon/sage) is 6 seconds. With a 4.0 base aps, that is 24 attacks in those 6 seconds.

24 attacks of 200 to 600 that is a range of 4800 to 14,400. Which, if the sin is built with a 4:1 build (even a 3:1:1 build could lose), they are basic dead meat.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

KyyranthoX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

After we get GMs to do this we can get them to make a class that stops BMs stunning, a class that stops archers having such a long range, etc.

Most classes have anti-stun skills. For those classes that don't have anti-stun there is the genie skill "Fortify" and an easily available apothecary item "Vacuity Powder".

If sins were built into the game from the start you'd be damn sure there would be anti stealth skills. The problem is that sins were half-assed added into the game without much thought to balance or gameplay.

The easiest thing to do in my opinion is to either make detection pots available or to add a detection genie skill.

Also why do people think archers have such awesome range... archer with lvl 10 passives has 30meter range while a wiz with lvl 10 skills has 28.5meter. Thats practically the same.

Asperitas - Lost City

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Asperitas: Out of what i've seen, the BM's who (when at lvl 100) did a restat to take their str down to minimum for axes, and minimum for fists. Then placed all the leftover points in their vit, add in their usually really nice refines (+7-+10 for armor, with a usual +5-+8 on wep w/ a rare +10).

their HP is usually around the 11k mark, making it almost impossible to kill them (if charmed), even if a sin is to "surprise attack" them and use a sleep/stun/sleep/stun combo to hold them there, the moment they have a chance to roar they win.

That being, because maxed out roar (lvl 10, non demon/sage) is 6 seconds. With a 4.0 base aps, that is 24 attacks in those 6 seconds.

24 attacks of 200 to 600 that is a range of 4800 to 14,400. Which, if the sin is built with a 4:1 build (even a 3:1:1 build could lose), they are basic dead meat.

I suppose it never crossed your mind that things like the sin version of will of bodhitsva and vacuity powder can render roar useless. Or perhaps the sin would start off with a stun from stealth, and then follow up with occult ice, and then seal, or whatever their combo is. Not to mention sins have the capability of stacking interval too.

Of course, the BM can do a bunch of other stuff, but I'm not here to argue that sins > BMs. Rather, I'm saying BMs aren't a "god" class, nor are they foolproof.

Astrohawke - Lost City

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Asperitas: Out of what i've seen, the BM's who (when at lvl 100) did a restat to take their str down to minimum for axes, and minimum for fists. Then placed all the leftover points in their vit, add in their usually really nice refines (+7-+10 for armor, with a usual +5-+8 on wep w/ a rare +10).

their HP is usually around the 11k mark, making it almost impossible to kill them (if charmed), even if a sin is to "surprise attack" them and use a sleep/stun/sleep/stun combo to hold them there, the moment they have a chance to roar they win.

That being, because maxed out roar (lvl 10, non demon/sage) is 6 seconds. With a 4.0 base aps, that is 24 attacks in those 6 seconds.

24 attacks of 200 to 600 that is a range of 4800 to 14,400. Which, if the sin is built with a 4:1 build (even a 3:1:1 build could lose), they are basic dead meat.

A sin with equally good equips would have anywhere between 8-10k HP and 4 aps as well. They would also have higher damage and crit and could very well kill the BM before stun lock ends if they get the surprise attack which they can with stealth.

Detection pots and/or genie skills is a good idea. Better than any suggestions to nerf/remove stealth which is just stupid. However, sins and psychics should also get their own unique genie skills in return like the other classes.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Asperitas: Out of what i've seen, the BM's who (when at lvl 100) did a restat to take their str down to minimum for axes, and minimum for fists. Then placed all the leftover points in their vit, add in their usually really nice refines (+7-+10 for armor, with a usual +5-+8 on wep w/ a rare +10).

their HP is usually around the 11k mark, making it almost impossible to kill them (if charmed), even if a sin is to "surprise attack" them and use a sleep/stun/sleep/stun combo to hold them there, the moment they have a chance to roar they win.

You really don't know what you're talking about do you? A vit build fist BM with full +5 set and immaculates will hit 10k with a base vit of about 110-120. A pure str build fist BM with +10 set and vit stones will hit 15k hp with a base vit of 3. +10 isn't rare, it's like the new +5.

You need Absolute Domain, Expel, Faith or immunity pots to break a good sin's stun chain. Sins are easy to kill as long as you have quick reflexes and are actually paying attention. If they catch you by surprise, typing to someone, reaching to grab your drink, etc... you're probably going to die.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You really don't know what you're talking about do you?

He usually doesn't. Even worse is he theory-crafts without even bothering to research skills (in this case, assassin) since he obviously not just neglected the gear, but the stun-immunity Maze Steps skill of assassins too.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

Michael_dark and Borsuc agree on something! omgomgomgomgomgogmogm armageddon!

NightRage - Raging Tide

What Asterelle said.