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Zhadi - Archosaur

Hmm..

I started working my way towards rank 8, but honestly after seeing Nirvana gear and weapons, I'm not sure if rank 8 is worth the 2k USD anymore because for that amount I can easily get my lunar bow upgraded to Nirvana.

Obviously, I want the best I can possibly get. At this point, price is no obstacle, I'd just like opinions on best bow for archers at lvl 100.

Please share your opinion and reasons for those opinions.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Zhadi - Archosaur wrote: »

Hmm..

I started working my way towards rank 8, but honestly after seeing Nirvana gear and weapons, I'm not sure if rank 8 is worth the 2k USD anymore because for that amount I can easily get my lunar bow upgraded to Nirvana.

Obviously, I want the best I can possibly get. At this point, price is no obstacle, I'd just like opinions on best bow for archers at lvl 100.

Please share your opinion and reasons for those opinions.

i am really near debuffer bow since with aoe maybe u get more luck in tw and debuff more player and after debuff everyclass die easily (mainly wizz,clerics etc).

since dmg is similiar i vote to debuffer nirvana bow.

Illyana - Dreamweaver

Rank 8 is still better (IMO) than Nirvana. Also, considering rank 9 is supposedly coming out soon, the Rank 9 bow should become close to Warsoul in terms of DPS and PvP utility.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

I don't really like rank 8 that much. The bow doesn't purge and Lunar/nirvana bows both refine better than the rank 8 one. The ring doesnt refine and as a clawcher I need the pdef. I don't need the chest much since I already have 5a/s in demon spark, nirvana chest gives more HP and attack level.

It is much better for sage archers in my opinion since it addresses the sage weaknesses of crit and attack speed. Illyana has a good point with rank 9 but the nirvana gear is alot more sparkly...

Lenore - Harshlands

The rank 8 is not as good as nirvana recast in the long run, but the Rank 9 is better. We just don't know when that's ever gonna come out.

angellicdeity

Illyana - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Rank 8 is still better (IMO) than Nirvana. Also, considering rank 9 is supposedly coming out soon, the Rank 9 bow should become close to Warsoul in terms of DPS and PvP utility.

Not quite sure how Rank 9 is supposidly supposed to come close to a warsoul with +50 attack level.


+12 Nirvana Regenesis Bow:

2262 ~ 3077

+12 Demonhunter Bow:

2395 ~ 3419

+12 Nirvana G15 Bow:

2492 ~ 3503


Damage Wise Nirvana outperforms a Rank 8.


Only downside is Nirvana cannot have both the -10 int and the dexterity bonus at G15.

Downside with Rank 8 is never having the ability to debuff or stun your targets through the bows special ability.


Besides if your really going to spend on a rank 9 you might as well buy a warsoul instead. +50 Attack Level stacked with Jones Blessing.

Illyana - Dreamweaver

angellicdeity wrote: »

+12 Nirvana Regenesis Bow:

2262 ~ 3077

+12 Demonhunter Bow:

2395 ~ 3419

+12 Nirvana G15 Bow:

2492 ~ 3503

[...]

Besides if your really going to spend on a rank 9 you might as well buy a warsoul instead. +50 Attack Level stacked with Jones Blessing.

This is accurate if you do not take into account the attack rate or the purge; depending on what you're doing, both can be huge game changers.

Who knows how much it'll cost to get to rank 9, but I can imagine it being much cheaper than the warsoul bow. JJ blessing will go well with any bow equipped; we'll have to wait for the specs on the r9 bow, but I think I read somewhere that it has a standard +15 atk level, a G15 base damage and refine rate (up from G14), plus whatever upgrades come with r9 ring (from what I've gathered so far from a few sources is +5 def lvl, +5 atk lvl, plus a boost in phys atk from the ring).

It is too early to tell. R9 is coming, but no one seems to know when, or how easy it is to obtain.

Quilue - Sanctuary

maybe r9 isn't so ugly as the r8 bow.

Apparently Ast has gone care bear and isn't concerned about her attack speed with ranged weapons.

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

The problem with Nirv bow is..

ONE you have decent chance for sould shatter but extream super ultra insanly low chance for advanced shatter

TWO you have not so good chance to get -0.05 on your bow there s no -0.1 stat option.

THREE to get TWO -0.05 on your bow to make -0.1 is almost impossible

FOUR only 3 stats, so just assume niv bow is -0.1 soul shatter..thats really just 2 stats

FIVE no more upgrade for nirv bow


Good thing about Nirv:

ONE they are cheaper

TWO they have proc stun/purge

THREE OMG!! THEY LOOK FREAKEN AWSOME!!


Problem with Rank 8 bow

ONE for $2.5k US it cost more than nirv bow

TWO damage wise, 100-200 damage lower compare to nirv bow at +12

THREE Wont have any proc, no stun no purge just raw damage.

FOUR WTH IS WITH THE LOOK!! IM RANK 8 I CANT SHOW OFF!!



Good thing about Rank 8:

ONE you get a free top throw it in with it, even after Nirv, i still think it is the best top for archer

TWO All you need is eat tokens, nirv weapon might take a while to get there

THREE with rank9 coming, you can upgrade it (if you got the $$$$)


So I hope this will help you :P OR WONT XD, but remember rank 9.. most likly will cost another $US 2k so yea.. not cheap

Zhadi - Archosaur

Hmm..

I see all the archers are in the same dilemma XD

R8 = Awesome damage power with a guaranteed -.1 interval which we all adore and comes with other gear that is amazing such as the R8 top, but lacks purge which is essential for archers since late game we have difficulty breaking charms.

Nirvana = Better damage but takes a while to gather all the crystals, not to mention that the stats are by chance/luck.. Meh, i still can't decide But on the plus side, other than the damage and awesome skill, is the look XD ill drool over my bow all the time.

Edit: I can't take R9 into consideration because it's not an option yet, but thanks for bringing it up, I didn't know there was going to be such a thing as R9.

Tivas - Archosaur

How bout u first get an improvement on ur gears so u wont get one shot by me like u always b:chuckleb:chuckledo??

Zhadi - Archosaur

Tivas - Archosaur wrote: »

How bout u first get an improvement on ur gears so u wont get one shot by me like u always b:chuckleb:chuckledo??

An archer getting 1 shot by a wizard is nothing new, so don't flatter yourself (especially when the archer is lower lvl than you)
Not to mention, I have 80s gear and I don't plan on getting anything better until I am 99 since FC makes leveling just too damn quick to even waste my coins on something that will only last me a month or so.

Wait till i hit 99 and then we'll see whats up (:

TigerLily - Lost City

Rank 8 is in most cases better for archers since you also get the interval top + ring. Haven't seen that many Nirvana bows that are better than Bow of Demon Hunter. Downside, it cost a lot more money than 250 raptures.

The fact that a Nirvana weapons is g15 and rank only g14 isn't even noticeable until u refine past +10 anyway. And even at +12 the difference in dmg is not that huge.

If you only look at the weapons for pvp a g15 Nirvana bow with advance debuff + amazing stats beats a Rank 8 bow of course. Best would be having a Nirvana bow +12 with advance debuff and Rank 8 for the top b:chuckle. Not many archers have to luxury to pick both tho and not many archers can keep re-casting for adv debuff and perfect stats.

Problem with Nirvana is how random the stats come out. Its like crafting somthing in OHT, how often will it come out perfect?

I had to re-cast about 10 times just to get "decent" stats like dex and attack. I still dont have advance debuff just regular Soul Shatter. You get so much **** like stun, magic, mp, strength, def lvl, etc. Every time you re-cast is 12-14 more million or more.

I know people that re-casted 20-50 times, enough to make 1 more weapon, and still dont have really good stats. So with Nirvana you can end up paying even more than Rank 8 and have a bow thats worse.

If you're lucky crafting stuff go for Nirvana Bow, than it will be far cheaper than Rank8 and just as good or even better. If you fail at crafting and the game hates you, than just go for Rank 8 and you know u get what you pay for <.<

Ignathas - Sanctuary

>> buying a car and having vacations instead b:victory

Tivas - Archosaur

Zhadi - Archosaur wrote: »

An archer getting 1 shot by a wizard is nothing new, so don't flatter yourself (especially when the archer is lower lvl than you)
Not to mention, I have 80s gear and I don't plan on getting anything better until I am 99 since FC makes leveling just too damn quick to even waste my coins on something that will only last me a month or so.

Wait till i hit 99 and then we'll see whats up (:

I tough money wasnt a issue here...

Guess it is have a nice vacationsb:bye

Zhadi - Archosaur

Tivas - Archosaur wrote: »

I tough money wasnt a issue here...

Guess it is have a nice vacationsb:bye

money isnt an issue when its something actually worth it, which means end game gear for me.

Anyway, back on topic.

Does anybody know the probabilities of chance to get specific adds and advanced purge?

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Illyana has a good point with rank 9 but the nirvana gear is alot more sparkly...

TY Ast that helped me make up my mind going for that nirvana chest instead

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Zhadi - Archosaur wrote: »

money isnt an issue when its something actually worth it, which means end game gear for me.

Anyway, back on topic.

Does anybody know the probabilities of chance to get specific adds and advanced purge?

not double chance for purge? (i mean 5%->10%? or atleast with +50% so 7,5%?)

Illyana - Dreamweaver

I'm not sure where people are coming from with regards to r8 being THAT much more expensive than G15 nirvana.

Let's look at it this way. On Dreamweaver, Binky has the G15 and has rerolled it countless times. He has paid enough raptures rerolling for advanced soul shatterer that he could have made a second bow.

I don't know how market conditions are on other servers, but if you convert the "cost" of these into coins, by the time you get a good G15 .05 int nirvana bow, you'll have spent far more than the cost to get r8. On Dreamweaver, raptures sell for 1.9mil, assuming you can find them. It costs 200 raptures to get there, not counting the cost of the original heaven shatterer.

Assuming it takes you 400 raptures to get something to your liking, plus, let's say 50 mil for the original bow, that puts total cost of ownership at 810,000,000.

Now, for the cost of rank 8. Let's assume that you start at 0 rep, for the sake of argument. 200,000 rep needed. One wraith badge provides, 25 rep, so assuming you've never done a one man-army or helped with an FB, you would need 8000 badges to hit your mark. It costs 8 tokens to make one badge, so 64,000 tokens. I managed to purchase all of my tokens between 10.3 and 10.4k a piece, when prices had bottomed. I had eyed r8 for a long time, and knew exactly how low tokens had to get before I could hit it. Total cost of ownership for rank 8 is then 662,400,000.

So there you have it; rank 8 is not more expensive than G15 nirvana. You gain an effective .1 interval reduction going r8, a snazzy ring, higher initial damage, and an upgrade path.

Now, let's not propagate any rumors about end-game bow prices. b:chuckle

Illyana - Dreamweaver

Ahh, I forgot to post this: Add 2 mil to buy the r8 bow and 1 mil for the armor b:chuckle

Pay X million to add that extra socket to the Nirvana G15, which comes standard in r8. b:laugh

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Illyana - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ahh, I forgot to post this: Add 2 mil to buy the r8 bow and 1 mil for the armor b:chuckle

Pay X million to add that extra socket to the Nirvana G15, which comes standard in r8. b:laugh

2m for the bow? Don't you need a crapload of badges & stuff? (I duno I never looked into rank8 much)

Quilue - Sanctuary

Badges is sage wep

Illyana - Dreamweaver

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

2m for the bow? Don't you need a crapload of badges & stuff? (I duno I never looked into rank8 much)

Quile got it right. Rank 6 and a bunch of badges are required for the sage weapon. When you're rank 8 you don't need no stinkin' badges b:pleased

Zhadi - Archosaur

Although I really really love the purge effect..

I have decided I'm going rank 8.
First of all, finding crystals will be a pain in the **** to recast into Nirvana
Second, I'd rather not try my luck.. i might end up recasting and recasting and never get what I want.
Third, rank 8 comes with that amazing top which is better than anything else for archers and that 4% crit from the ring.. add it to the 4% crits from bow and thats 8% crits coming from rank8 alone (: I don't really refine my rings anyway, so I could care less about that ring being non-refineable... <-- that even a word? o.o
Fourth... I sorta like how the rank 8 bow looks contrary to what you all seem to thinka bout it b:surrender

Oh ya, and 2 sockets
^ reason 5.

Those are all reasons good enough for me ^^

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Fourth... I sorta like how the rank 8 bow looks contrary to what you all seem to thinka bout it

U mad? omg u never seen lunar nirvana bow?? b:dirty So awsome.

Zhadi - Archosaur

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

U mad? omg u never seen lunar nirvana bow?? b:dirty So awsome.

uhm...
no i never said i was mad nor am i criticizing anybody for disliking it, i just simply stated i liked how it looks...
are YOU mad..? o.O

and i actually have seen the lunar nirvana bow... i agree that it looks better than rank 8, but my decision isn't based JUST on looks

path2theos

how have you built coin for rank gear Zhadi plz pm me your strategy

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

Holy Nerco Batman