Attack Opener

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

Okay, so I've got both Deadly Shot and Take Aim maxed out at 10. They're both decently strong, but since one is a static amount and one is based off weapon percentage i was wondering which was most preferred.

Also, which is the better demon skill? Thanks.

Brigid - Harshlands

At level 10, Take Aim is Base + 300% weapon damage, while Deadly Shot is Base + 100% weapon damage + 4986.6. Thus, it's 200% weapon damage versus 4986.6. You'd basically need a +12 Lunar/Nirvana/R8 bow to achieve the ~2.5k weapon damage needed to make them equal on average. Deadly Shot wins easily when comparing L10 skills.

Demon Take Aim is Base + 400% weapon damage, and is easily available at level 89. Demon Deadly Shot isn't available until 99. Thus, the difference becomes 300% vs ~5k from 89 to 99, which would require average weapon damage of ~1.7k. That's a +8 or +9 Heaven Shatterer.

Demon Deadly Shot is Base + 100% + 6.3k, so at level 99 it becomes 300% vs 6.3k. The break-even point is 2.1k weapon damage, which is about +10-11 on a Heaven Shatterer.

So basically... for the most part, Deadly Shot will do more damage. Demon Take Aim is faster by half a second though, and can be fired before it reaches full charge for more tactical flexibility.

Quilue - Sanctuary

You could always consider STA

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

You could always consider STA

I got called noob for suggesting that as an opener =.=.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Legerity had a good post comparing Take Aim with Deadly Shot at different skill levels... if your weapon damage is more than the value on the right Take Aim is better on average.

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

Here's the numbers if you are interested.

Level	TA	DS	TA %	DS %	DS_c	TA=DS
49	10	1	300	55	2235.3	912.4
53	10	2	300	60	2494.6	1039.4
57	10	3	300	65	2765.5	1176.8
61	10	4	300	70	3048.0	1325.2
65	10	5	300	75	3342.1	1485.4
69	10	6	300	80	3647.8	1658.1
73	10	7	300	85	3965.1	1844.2
77	10	8	300	90	4294.0	2044.8
81	10	9	300	95	4634.5	2260.7
85	10	10	300	100	4986.6	2493.3

89	d 11	10	400	100	4986.6	1662.2
89	s 11	10	500	100	4986.6	1246.7

99	d 11	s 11	400	100	5800.0	1933.3
99	d 11	d 11	400	100	6300.0	2100.0

99	s 11	s 11	500	100	5800.0	1450.0
99	s 11	d 11	500	100	6300.0	1575.0

Last column shows when Take Aim is the same as DS on average. This value is your average weapon damage.

Teppeii - Dreamweaver

Thank you for the through responces, considering take aim is faster, which i guess i must have overlooked, and easier to obtain, i think i'll consider that as opener.

And, STA? I didn't even think of that. How would that go about?

TigerLily - Lost City

What do you mean with "Attack Opener"?

I would say 99% of archers in both pve and pvp open with Stunning arrow. On bosses in TT/Fbs you open with STA. Obviously there are situations when other skills are better choices in pvp to open, but later on you will mostly find that you use Stunning arrow to open.

Rather predictable, but than again most classes will open with a stun of some sort.

Being demon you also open with Stun to get the 10% crit. As sage, well its nice stunning something for 4.5 sec.

No one really opens anything with Take Aim or Deadly Shoot, unless its pvp and you think you can 1 shot someone/bypass their charm lol.

Deadly shoot in general is horrid DPS and wastes so much mp.

Meatbunz - Archosaur

I agree, u hardly ever see end-game archers charging up a deadly shot (mp/time consumption) not to mention the absurd amounts of coins/spirit needed to level it to 10 much less demon/sage. Stunning arrow (demon) is a much better opener, or sharpentooth arrow for higher hp mobs, guarantees you additional crit in the next 10-15 seconds, and renders your target stunned. If that's not available, I still prefer take aim for quick chi/less mp consumption as well as a much easier demon/sage/lv10 skill to acquire.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

I would say 99% of archers in both pve and pvp open with Stunning arrow. On bosses in TT/Fbs you open with STA. Obviously there are situations when other skills are better choices in pvp to open, but later on you will mostly find that you use Stunning arrow to open.
In duels, sure... in other PVP, I can't say because I haven't done much of it. XD But in PVE? I guess it depends on which PVE situation you're talking about. In instances, when your tank (or someone else) already has aggro, you do open with Stun in order to support them. But on standard mobs, I don't know anyone who opens with Stun... it's almost always either Frost or Take Aim. I open with Take Aim and use Stun / Knockback when they get close or begin to cast.

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Being demon you also open with Stun to get the 10% crit. As sage, well its nice stunning something for 4.5 sec.

Heh... one of the several reasons I went sage, actually. :P (hopefully I'll get that skill from CoA pages... but at least I have Sage Winged Blessing ;])

Just to play devil's advocate, Demon Deadly Shot does give a little boost to damage, which might make it equivalent or even better than take Aim... but the MP and charge-less cast kinda negate that (in the 70s, I could use my Lv5 Deadly Shot only when I was on Focus Powder... otherwise I opened with Lv10 Take Aim, and they were about even).

Qorex - Raging Tide

Level TA DS TA % DS % DS_c TA=DS
49 10 1 300 55 2235.3 912.4
53 10 2 300 60 2494.6 1039.4
57 10 3 300 65 2765.5 1176.8
61 10 4 300 70 3048.0 1325.2
65 10 5 300 75 3342.1 1485.4
69 10 6 300 80 3647.8 1658.1
73 10 7 300 85 3965.1 1844.2
77 10 8 300 90 4294.0 2044.8
81 10 9 300 95 4634.5 2260.7
85 10 10 300 100 4986.6 2493.3

89 d 11 10 400 100 4986.6 1662.2
89 s 11 10 500 100 4986.6 1246.7

99 d 11 s 11 400 100 5800.0 1933.3
99 d 11 d 11 400 100 6300.0 2100.0

99 s 11 s 11 500 100 5800.0 1450.0
99 s 11 d 11 500 100 6300.0 1575.0

Last column shows when Take Aim is the same as DS on average. This value is your average weapon damage.

Can you plz further clarify last two columns. How exactly is it showing same damage.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

DS% = deadly shot's added weapon attack %
DS_c = deadly shot's added constant damage
TA=DS the value of weapon attack at which Take Aim will be on average equal to Deadly Shot

weapon attack = your level + attack from equipment (weapon.. garnet gems in weapon.. rings.. ammo.. attack charms.. etc.)

Quilue - Sanctuary

STA reduces max hp, which also reduces damage required to tick charm, how much the charm tick heals, and how much damage you need to deal after you have ticked charm.

I use it on both heavies and robes who have ridiculous pdef.

Killahoe - Harshlands

3 good combos for use in different fights

Sharptooth - Aim low - Quickshot. - for high hp melee targets.

Stun arrow - Quickshot. - for squishies.

Spark - Sharptooth - Aim low. - for high hp charmed targets.