Petition against Jones Blessing

Dancing_eyes - Raging Tide
Dancing_eyes - Raging Tide Posts: 24 Arc User
edited June 2010 in General Discussion
There is a need to make this Jones' Blessing +30 Attack level pack non-permanent, or the game will suffer many long term repercussions, negative ones possibly.

Let's do a bit of analysis.

Pros: PvE goes faster. More attack, monsters die faster. Faster dungeoning, more DQ drops(as mentioned by someone of how devs make up for drop in DQ npc price).

Cons :

Venomancers: have the lowest nuking damage of all arcane classes. Only cos their damage is spread out to having a pet as well. Jones' Blessing does not affect the pet. This means that of all the DD classes, Jones Blessing accentuates the differences between the classes and makes a properly developed and planned balance between classes(original devs of PW game from PW-Beijing) and throws the classes into a state of non-balance.

Clerics: More often than not, you are healing. In the PvP aspect, let's say in TW for example, most often you are healing as that is your job. Jones Blessing doesnt make you heal better. But all the other classes especially DD classes have +30 Attack. As a cleric, would you feel this is fair.

Barbs/BMs: Mostly for cata barbs, will you use +8 DEF, or +30 ATT. Some BMs prefer stay alive blessings rather than attack, as compared to a ranged DD's job, BMs main roles are to aoe stun, and HF. Once again, the classes with more survivability have that trait questionable with the surface of the Jones Blessing.

There may be more cons to point out, but I'll stop here. Perhaps this is PWE's method of making up for the loss of dominance blessings in dungeons, and/or the lowering of DQ npc prices. Or perhaps they just want more free advertising on Facebook.

Note that when an RPG makes it such that characters become easier to kill, it means more consumables used, i.e HP charms n etc here, which means more income for the company. Also note that if everyone has their attack increased, this means it is more favourable to defend in TW for this game. i.e, the stronger guilds will have a much easier time against attacking guilds for contest of land ownership.

Suggested recommendations to PWE: make Jones Blessing non-permanent, it is a great risk that will upset the game mechanics in the long run. Find another way to make up for what you have taken from customers and players. Reduce the bless proportion from 30, to maybe 10. Or bring back blessing packs in dungeons. I believe the dev team has power, resource, and the intelligence to find alternatives instead of letting this +30 ATT lvl blessing pack stay permanently in this game.


As the saying goes humans will never reject free power bestowed upon them, so seeing as there are more DD classes than defensive/hybrid ones in this game, the poll will be predicted as having more No voted than Yes. However, I hope the discussion that goes on in this thread catches the attention of a wise staff amongst PWE, who is able to see the long term repercussions on the game this blessing pack may inflict.

Just my 2 cents. ^^

Disclaimer : I am not making any attack towards the PWE company and am just voicing freedom of speech. Hope the staff and player base analyze the injection of this blessing pack seriously and effect some kind of consensus.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I just want them to release a +30 def lvl blessing if they aren't going to do anything about them being stack in alt mailboxes, let alone the main char.
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  • TankinIt - Raging Tide
    TankinIt - Raging Tide Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I agree, either remove them or nerf them to +15 max. Another option will be to make the choice to get either 30 atk or 30 defence lvl.

    this blessing completely nerfs melee classes in PvP since any ranged DD can kill us now before we reach them.

    Also PvE is getting way worse, keeping agro as a barb is now impossible against most sins and some high lvl archers.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Remove it. Even though I love doing 12m Nirvana runs, it has completely broken PvP. Archers and Mages are completely broken. TW was a joke with them.

    If you're going to leave Jones blessings in, at least offer a +30 defense blessing so that those who wish can use them to counteract this.

    Also, this really makes a PvE 5aps BM the king of farming.
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  • drjiggle
    drjiggle Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=8810742#post8810742

    This thread pretty much says it all. This isn't even a new problem. It's an old one that they either forgot about or just plain don't care about. It was a bad idea then. It's still a bad idea. At least get rid of all the saved / stacked ones people (including me) have in their mailboxes.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Dx
    TankinIt
    quit giving them ideas.
    :<

    They going to introduce......
    Introducing the Blessing Pack!
    same as anni pack except with a chance to get a blessing with 30% attack level + 30% defense level.
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  • Russiee - Raging Tide
    Russiee - Raging Tide Posts: 848 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Even as an archer I can say that the Jones' Blessing is ridiculous. Sure I get more damage, sure I can kill people faster. But whats the point when PvP starts to become a contest of who has the least laggiest pc and therefore can press Attack quicker? Jones' Blessing has simply removed all balance in the game (or whatever there was left in it).

    I can do Nirvana in 10 minutes now. Yay me. There's no fun in that? I remember my first TT1-1, I thought it was great, there were no OP classes yet, highest level was 63. Each mob was hard. Now if I go everything there is like a 3-5 shot apart from bosses, except with 5.0 APS BM's with the Jones' Blessing, it doesn't seem to be that much slower. I just ran a 1-1 in 9 minutes. What's the fun in that?
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Let's have a "No PvP damage reduction" day.
  • Kuroji - Harshlands
    Kuroji - Harshlands Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    As much as I like the extra damage I have to say either remove it or change it so it cant be stashed at least. If it not removed from account stash then it going to be around for years in the case of some players.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I just want them to release a +30 def lvl blessing if they aren't going to do anything about them being stack in alt mailboxes, let alone the main char.

    ^ This 100%

    A Defense Blessing should be released to balance the Attack Blessing. b:surrender
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  • Vasilisk - Harshlands
    Vasilisk - Harshlands Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yes, remove this blessing and add one new - special for fisted bm -30 attack level! Never expired and can't be removed b:laugh
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    It favors ranged classes with spike dmg in pvp, which obviously is unfair and hopefully it wont be permanent.

    Getting hit for 12k or 14k by a magic attack makes a huge difference for a mele class when you're rushing towards/away from the target. It has a big impact since it will in many cases hit harder than your current hp lol, its a 1 shoot.

    Getting hit for i dunno 1.2k or 1.4k by a mele class wont change the outcome of the fight that drastically.

    Obviously the dmg you receive changes depending on def lvl etc, but spike dmg benefits more from the blessing in pvp since you will be able to 1 shot/bypass peoples charm before they can reach you.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    but I was finally hitting 4 digits again b:sadb:chuckle
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  • Yamiino - Heavens Tear
    Yamiino - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,031 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Even though I know this is a useless petition like all the other petitions on this forum, voted remove it.

    <- getting tired of QQ... seriously...
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  • danedral
    danedral Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Dancing_eyes - Raging Tide wrote: »

    Venomancers: have the lowest nuking damage of all arcane classes. Only cos their damage is spread out to having a pet as well. Jones' Blessing does not affect the pet. This means that of all the DD classes, Jones Blessing accentuates the differences between the classes and makes a properly developed and planned balance between classes(original devs of PW game from PW-Beijing) and throws the classes into a state of non-balance.

    Clerics: More often than not, you are healing. In the PvP aspect, let's say in TW for example, most often you are healing as that is your job. Jones Blessing doesnt make you heal better. But all the other classes especially DD classes have +30 Attack. As a cleric, would you feel this is fair.

    For venos it allow veno to heal pet little more because healing pet is based on % of your magic attack.

    For cleric it increase healing because healing spell are based on % of clerics magic attack

    So generally that what you say is not correct and +30 attack is not that big difference so relax a little and go play game don't QQ around.

    And for the record i don't use it because i hate facebook :D
  • Pig - Raging Tide
    Pig - Raging Tide Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    i really like this blesing cause its easier to grind, FC, TT
    but pvp and tws are a joke sins normally hit 600-800 and 1.2k crit on me
    now they hit 1k normal, OP psys and sins are almost impossible to kill
    except you are another OP class and im not :P

    so yeah i agree keeping it but i want a defense bless too
  • Ranfa - Dreamweaver
    Ranfa - Dreamweaver Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Completely remove it. It's stupid.
    danedral wrote: »
    So generally that what you say is not correct and +30 attack is not that big difference so relax a little and go play game don't QQ around.

    And for the record i don't use it because i hate facebook :D

    You are not in position to judge how OP the blessing is if you haven't actually experienced it.
  • Jellytoast - Sanctuary
    Jellytoast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I have the blessing on right now, and to be honest, I don't notice that much of a difference. PVE is basically the same, I don't feel overpowered or anything. I mean, I don't PVP, but it still doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
    Maybe I'm oblivious to some huge difference?
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  • RainbowVidel - Sanctuary
    RainbowVidel - Sanctuary Posts: 1,316 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Dancing_eyes - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Petition against Jones Blessing

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  • ZetsumieX - Raging Tide
    ZetsumieX - Raging Tide Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    well to be fair.... veno(with nix) is the most OP class except fish, so i kinda like this new blessing

    NO from me
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    ZetsumieX - Raging Tide wrote: »
    well to be fair.... veno(with nix) is the most OP class except fish

    Apparently you don't PvP much. b:bye
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  • Asheera - Raging Tide
    Asheera - Raging Tide Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I don't like the blessing but I'll use it as long as it exists to compete, I don't want to be left behind.

    This also means if they remove it, it better be removed for those that stacked on alts as well b:irritated
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  • DoomKaiser - Harshlands
    DoomKaiser - Harshlands Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I wouldnt get my underwear all up in a bunch over it. I bet at the end of the promotion they put a script that delets mail that is older then 7 days old. U guys act like the pwi staff is imcompitant. stop the doubt and stop bitchin about every little change. THE WORLD IS CHANGING deal with it
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  • BigFIuffy - Archosaur
    BigFIuffy - Archosaur Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    doesnt make a difference to me

    when i pulled cata it was a bit harder but my archers took out their wiz and psychics faster so it kinda offset

    either way gives the smaller factions a better chance against the lane B rush to end tw in 5 mins= longer 1 hr tws
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  • Jonnykins - Dreamweaver
    Jonnykins - Dreamweaver Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    qq

    /ten char
  • Nahktuul - Archosaur
    Nahktuul - Archosaur Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Purely for balance purposes only, introduce the option to get +30 attack or +30 def. The survival and overall success of a MMORPG is the balance of the game, which is being upset by these blessings.

    Ive been playing PWI since it came out, back then we didnt have blessings or w/e. So Im fine with none, to be honest b:laugh
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  • Kitamura - Lost City
    Kitamura - Lost City Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Remove it. Even though I love doing 12m Nirvana runs, it has completely broken PvP. Archers and Mages are completely broken. TW was a joke with them.

    If you're going to leave Jones blessings in, at least offer a +30 defense blessing so that those who wish can use them to counteract this.

    Also, this really makes a PvE 5aps BM the king of farming.

    Sins also have Bless, so BMs still cant out-damage them
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    They should probably limit the blessing to not work with sins.
    Since sins already has their own self attack level buffs.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    They should probably limit the blessing to not work with sins.
    Since sins already has their own self attack level buffs.
    b:surrender

    What about not work with hamsters either? They already got those sharp teeth and stuff.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    What about not work with hamsters either? They already got those sharp teeth and stuff.

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    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
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    Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
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    41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
    1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
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  • Kitamura - Lost City
    Kitamura - Lost City Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    They should probably limit the blessing to not work with sins.
    Since sins already has their own self attack level buffs.
    b:surrender

    but we still need more attack level ...
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