Killing monsters doesnt pay off anymore; What is fun that does pay off?

CeliaZ - Sanctuary

Hey all,

I remember the days when you were 62 and grinded for 3 hours on vampire mobs above dreaming cloud. You made 400k or so with that, which ment you finally had enough to buy that gold charm you need that much.

First of all, this is not QQ about the high gold prices or packs. This is about me not being able to combine the two things which makes this game worth playing: Fun and progress.

With fun I simply mean, having fun doing what you do, which for myself would be killing monsters, all different kinds, in differend locations with beautifull scenery, trying out new techniques on multiple mobs at a time, maybe do some One Mans Armies to gain some rep. Soloing an instance would be the most fun thing to do for me (I know I would be able to as a veno, but I wanna do this on my wizard, as I found venos boring (with all do respect to them)).

With progress I simply mean, that what I am doing is usefull for progressing in the game, which means getting exp to gain a level and making money to buy new skills and gear.

Now the problem: Combining those two. Killing mobs, sure I can do that. Spiders in avalanche canyon would have the highest exp/hour and coin/hour, but have a boring scenery. Hell/Heaven mobs would have a lower exp/hour (they have more HP) and a lower coin/hour (they seem to drop DQs at a much lower rate as world mobs). We all know killing mobs doesnt pay off anymore, DQ price -20% is bad, and the droprate seems to be getting even worse. After a few hours killing, you still cant do anything with your money, as I tend to not get more then 100k an hour, and I need much, much more to even have average gear to compete against harder mobs or participate in rebirth.

Soloing an instance is even worse. It is impossible to make some coins in TT solo, the mats drop almost never cover the sub costs, and there isnt any other instance that is soloable for a wizard (fb59 would be the highest fb possible for a wizard, and low fbs are useless to make coins). You constantly need food and charms to have a good aoe grinding/instance soloing as a wizard, and you gain 0 coins with that.

Of course you can make coin other ways, and I am trying my best at merchanting, but its slow (in my case, gues I just dont have a talent for that) and really not fun to do (maybe for some people, but I find it boring).

Anyway, I gues I am just asking you guys here: What can I do on my own to combine having fun and making some progress in the game? Frost gets boring, TT gets boring to do in a squad (not a single challenge in TT2-2/2-3/3-1 exept AE, wich all my squads tend to skip because I myself dont have gear that is good enough, because I dont have money, well you get the point..) as its just a pyro/gush spamming for 3 hours.

Thanks for reading everything (if you didnt read everything and you dont think your post will contribute to my question, just dont post..) and thanks for answering in advance!

Celia.

Granrey - Sanctuary

The game has simply changed.

Its kind of like a soft drink, you love that drink until one day the company changes the flavor to get more customers. They currently have 5 million customer and after changing the flavor they lose 2 million but gain 3 million in new customers. The math still works for them but for the ones who lost their drink, the math sucks.b:laugh

Keep in mind there are many epic games coming out and some belong to PWE. So, in reality not much is lost.

Funny aparently we joined PWE on the same month.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

kill players instead, they might drop warsoul weapons

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »

With fun I simply mean, having fun doing what you do, which for myself would be killing monsters, all different kinds, in differend locations with beautifull scenery, trying out new techniques on multiple mobs at a time, maybe do some One Mans Armies to gain some rep. Soloing an instance would be the most fun thing to do for me (I know I would be able to as a veno, but I wanna do this on my wizard, as I found venos boring (with all do respect to them)).

what i do.
Have fun with the social part of the game. Like making friends and talking to them in faction chats. Sometimes we forget that.

CeliaZ - Sanctuary

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

The game has simply changed.

Its kind of like a soft drink, you love that drink until one day the company changes the flavor to get more customers. They currently have 5 million customer and after changing the flavor they lose 2 million but gain 3 million in new customers. The math still works for them but for the ones who lost their drink, the math sucks.b:laugh

Keep in mind there are many epic games coming out and some belong to PWE. So, in reality not much is lost.

Funny aparently we joined PWE on the same month.

You're absolutely right. It's a shame really, but gues you are right. Still, it won't cost them anything if they would permanently increase the exp rate and drop rate of mobs, as no one is used to grinding nowadays anyway. Funny btw we came in the same month, means you know what im talking about in the first part of my post.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

what i do.
Have fun with the social part of the game. Like making friends and talking to them in faction chats. Sometimes we forget that.

I indeed do that, but I'd rather have the social part of my life to take place in real life. Then after I had a few drinks with friends, I just want to play a game on my own for a sec and have fun. Being online only to chat with friends is not where I need a game for, I have email and msn for that.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear

When times get boring I level a new toon. It's an interesting experience and makes you appreciate the other classes just a little bit more.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

I remember grinding mobs at Misfortune so I can open my supply stash at lvl 50.

It was sooooo rewarding after hours of mob grinding to find a Perfect Hammer for 500K - 600K.


I miss those days.....a lot...



....I still have my lvl 80 supply stash.....for the memories....b:cry

Edit: As for having fun, I just chat, socialize and such. I still TW.

PWi = Another Social Networking Device at this point.

Macenza - Archosaur

CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »

(if you didnt read everything and you dont think your post will contribute to my question, just dont post..)

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

kill players instead, they might drop warsoul weapons

^idiot

i seem to struggle to find fun parts of the game, i think the major fun is to the ppl now with good comps (for tw and mass pk purposes) that cash shop to some extent for there gear so they can join in, or just the ppl that no what there doing with merchanting, or ofcourse the TW guilds getting large cash pays each week.

i dont do TW anymore on the server im on cos 1) 4am is a pain, 2) waking up at 4am to do a TW ill lag like mental in and provide small contribution isnt worth the stress.

making friends ingame and such is one thing but it wont keep ppl such as my self griped onto the game, pw introduce new dungeons and stuff, but its always the same, button mash some skills on the mobs/boss, and u either need hyper for things like fc, or be prepared to spend cash just to enter, all i do on a daily basis if i log in, is BH and look for FC since there the only *now effective* ways to lvl unless u wonna do it nice and boringly slow b:sleep

Rillien - Heavens Tear

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I remember grinding mobs at Misfortune so I can open my supply stash at lvl 50.

It was sooooo rewarding after hours of mob grinding to find a Perfect Hammer for 500K - 600K.


I miss those days.....a lot...



....I still have my lvl 80 supply stash.....for the memories....b:cry

Edit: As for having fun, I just chat, socialize and such. I still TW.

PWi = Another Social Networking Device at this point.

Haha, I was almost around level 70 when the stash came out, and I remember grinding ~550k for that first hammer, and then I got the second one as a gift...and wow I remember all the complaining about how christmas tomes would drop terribly in price...b:cry

I think killing monsters pays far less as you get higher in level regardless, even though we have hypers now. The game is designed to create a greater reliance on the CS once you get high leveled. But it's hard for me to find motivation to level--maybe try out lunar or some instances you haven't done before, stop focusing on leveling for awhile or even take a break from the game, and come back when you feel you're ready. As far as making money goes, you could try making and alt and farming the lower leveled niche markets [hay, fruit, DQs for the banker quest, herbs needed for quests]. Good luck.

Archers_Soul - Lost City

Simply just quit. Not to sound like a **** but honestly if you aren't enjoying the game now it won't change anytime soon unless you suddenly get a massive amount of money or rediculous gear mailed to you from an unknown lover. But tbh so many people are stressing themselves out because thw game is no longer fun. Btw its fun to quit and start all over with a new identity

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

b:chuckle with +30 attack lvl blessing, pvp is kinda fun again. Used to be just one sided.. but the other day a lvl 90 archer cri me for 3.5k, i mean WTH.. sure i can kill ppl faster.. but i can die just as fast as them now.

Angarika - Harshlands

killing people is fun.

azurluen

It still rewarding when you finally get what you want. Maybe it's a lot more dificult. But if you get it, then it's great.

I' getting all what I want. Maybe it's bigger and bigger the effort as I level up more, but hey, I have something to do and not to be bored for not having anything to fight for.

Partypooper - Harshlands

Angarika - Harshlands wrote: »

killing people is fun.

Angarika - Harshlands

Partypooper - Harshlands wrote: »

this is how much I love harshlands

see it is fun when u can own ppl 30 lvl highers then u :P <3b:cute

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

I barely grind on my spare time, as well as leveling my venoes' pets. So you could say that I gave up on the game.

I then cannot help you on that.