Neo Zhen Mode - Has anyone tried it before in Nein Beast Event or for grinding?

Neodaystar - Sanctuary · June 2010

I was wondering if any archer and barb had done this before since I've never seen anyone doing it yet?

How it works:

- First have both members enter in a duel
- Next, have archer use barrage on barb
- Then, have the barb run around (within barrage attack range distance) to collect mobs.

Advantages:

- Barrage will stay active as long as the duel is in progress and the target (barb) stays in attacking range. If the duel ends, just restart the duel and barrage again. Chi can be gained with cloud eruption or pots quickly.

- Barb will have full control of where to take the barrage to - 30+ meters from the archer. This also helps avoid the close range damage reduction from barrage on mobs that are too close to the archer.

- Any mobs within a 12 meter radius of the barb will get aggro and killed. Basically, the barb can bring the destructive attack power of the barrage to any where in attach range and aggro it quick.

- The aggro'ed mobs will likely to head towards the archer, so the barb should use aggro skills, or head to the archer as well after gathering a bunch of mobs.

- It will be very likely to ks others with this method, but the Nein Beast Attack is a Public Quest Event, so deliberate ks'ing is not bannable as people are competing to get the most amount of points they can.

- As the barb will sustain very small amount of damage from a level 10 barrage, hp foods will not be hugely consumed.
OK - I just tested this with a barb friend -lvl 96, my barrage did 1500 average damage to him (no cleric or bm defense buff) so hp foods is needed.

If anyone had tried this before, please let us know how it turns out. If anyone 95+ barb wants to try it out with me let me know in game

Cannibuss - Heavens Tear · June 2010

lol if the barb only takes small damage from your barrage, then either he has 40k pdef, or your patt is pathetic. lol

MagicHamsta - Lost City · June 2010

Cannibuss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol if the barb only takes small damage from your barrage, then either he has 40k pdef, or your patt is pathetic. lol

lol at the noob who doesn't RB.
b:chuckle
we "glitch" barrage all the time in RB since it's suppose to be continuous but ends when the target dies.
>.<'

also PvP reduction makes it possible out of RB lols.

Neodaystar - Sanctuary · June 2010

Cannibuss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol if the barb only takes small damage from your barrage, then either he has 40k pdef, or your patt is pathetic. lol

In a duel, the player receiving damage from an enemy is reduced. That is why you never see an archer use barrage on HA opponents. Because they can't kill HA targets with regular physical attacks. Any high level archer knows this, you're pathetic for not knowing this fact.

Egaenil - Heavens Tear · June 2010

LOL you made my day, BAHAHAHA

1 : by using tab tab tab hit hit hit archer will kill faster

2 : can barb blink? if they cant blink arrow will get to mobs faster just normal hit

3 : do u want to share points with barb? how fast can u kill and how fast can barb kill

3: cost, at high lvl, u need to pot for every 12secs when u zhen 5 per min 10mins = 50 food = 3 tokens :P

Shazaaam - Lost City · June 2010

Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »

In a duel, the player receiving damage from an enemy is reduced. That is why you never see an archer use barrage on HA opponents. Because they can't kill HA targets with regular physical attacks. Any high level archer knows this, you're pathetic for not knowing this fact.

since when we do diff dmg on duels than plain open pvp? b:shocked

Neodaystar - Sanctuary · June 2010

Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LOL you made my day, BAHAHAHA

1 : by using tab tab tab hit hit hit archer will kill faster

2 : can barb blink? if they cant blink arrow will get to mobs faster just normal hit

3 : do u want to share points with barb? how fast can u kill and how fast can barb kill

3: cost, at high lvl, u need to pot for every 12secs when u zhen 5 per min 10mins = 50 food = 3 tokens :P

Why would I want to kill one at a time if I have a partner who can aggro every thing in sight and kill it fast. Oh how I love seeing a veno work so hard to aggro 6-7 mobs and have it smashed by my barrage

I can hit about 10+ damage each attack on a mob or 15k+ damage with barrage on 6-7+ mobs each attack iteration....I think the latter seems better.

No, you don't have to click on a mp food every 12 secs. Even so, the first part of the event last about 6 min on average. That's about 20k of mp foods, which is nothing.

Shazaaam - Lost City · June 2010

if u barrage on nein event u would have to get enough dmg to kill everyone who tries to kill those mobs >_> which cant be done on a pve server.

b:laugh thats why pvp server is so fun specially with some +10 bow archer barraging the npcs.

Cannibuss - Heavens Tear · June 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

lol at the noob who doesn't RB.
b:chuckle
we "glitch" barrage all the time in RB since it's suppose to be continuous but ends when the target dies.
>.<'

also PvP reduction makes it possible out of RB lols.

lol at the noob that doesnt RB. i do rb. on a level 97 barb. ive probably done many more rebirths than both you and the original poster.

and i know that barrage does lots of damage, because at 21k pdef a 101 archer can hit me for 2-3k a tick with barrage.

Egaenil - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why would I want to kill one at a time if I have a partner who can aggro every thing in sight and kill it fast. Oh how I love seeing a veno work so hard to aggro 6-7 mobs and have it smashed by my barrage I can hit about 10+ damage each attack on a mob or 15k+ damage with barrage on 6-7+ mobs each attack iteration....I think the latter seems better.

No, you don't have to click on a mp food every 12 secs. Even so, the first part of the event last about 6 min on average. That's about 20k of mp foods, which is nothing.

I still dont get it how can ur partner aggro everything? is ur sever full of noobs? most nein mobs dont last more than 5 secs after it pop out on our sever, always have over 300 ppl doing the event, but hey b:pleased y dont u just test it out, go go go next nien in 55mins.

b:cute was it against me Cannibuss with my zhen? b:thanks i was zhening on u b4 long long long time ago .... RAWR

Neodaystar - Sanctuary · June 2010

Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I still dont get it how can ur partner aggro everything? is ur sever full of noobs? most nein mobs dont last more than 5 secs after it pop out on our sever, always have over 300 ppl doing the event, but hey b:pleased y dont u just test it out, go go go next nien in 55mins.

b:cute was it against me Cannibuss with my zhen? b:thanks i was zhening on u b4 long long long time ago .... RAWR

Well, not aggro everything in the field. Only as fast as the barb can run to the target, and within the 30 meter attack distance. On sanctuary server, the spot I do the quest in does have mobs that last for over 5 secs. I usually barrage a bunch when ever I can, but after they die, I have to wait awhile for my chi to fill up again even with cloud eruption and pots. With a barb partner, barrage can be kept up as long as he has hp, I have mp, stay in attack distance, and the duel doesn't end. All the barb has to do is just run up to mobs that pops up and damage is done to them to get points.

Cannibuss - Heavens Tear · June 2010

hahahaha ega i remember when we used to zhen all the time. good times.

volst · June 2010

Wouldn't ending the duel with barrage work better? The barb doesn't take damage and no duel to break, just range.

Neodaystar - Sanctuary · June 2010

I just tried it with a lvl 100 barb, it was awesome seeing how it worked. Every where he ran mobs dropped dead. And running into a herc/nix that had already aggro'ed a bunch - that was really nice

He told me he had to click on an hp food every cool down or else he'll be killed (didn't have any defense buffs). The barb accidentally got out of the 30m attack range and the barrage ended on the first attempt. I had to end the barrage during the 2nd attempt purposely seeing how his hp fell too much. The major problem that I didn't foresee was that my lunar bow kept purging him and he didn't have any defense buffs. So it would have worked out more smoothly if these two issues were prevented. Also, if the barb had the genie skill expel, it would help if he cast it on himself (can't cast that on others in duel).

This would be a very good idea to do this when AoE grinding with just a cleric and a Barb. I am still not sure about it for the event as I did get less points, but that was because of the unforeseen purge and the barb not realizing the barrage working distance. So we weren't in zhen mode for the entire time.

volst wrote: »

Wouldn't ending the duel with barrage work better? The barb doesn't take damage and no duel to break, just range.

I don't know if that glitch method still works. I tried it before, but it didn't work for me. And it is kind of risky if the barb is not charmed doing it that way. He could be killed by a mob if his hp is too low coming out of a duel. I only had to initiate a duel 2 times during the entire first part of the event.

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »

I didn't foresee was that my lunar bow kept purging him and he didn't have any defense buffs..

Then why not swap to another wepon? O.o

Neodaystar - Sanctuary · June 2010

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Then why not swap to another wepon? O.o

The lunar bow is all I need ^^ didn't have a spare range weapon with me except W&C (much to low level) I usually adjust my attack output based on level of arrows. I had to take off my jone's blessing and rings to prevent him from dying.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · June 2010

Cannibuss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol at the noob that doesnt RB. i do rb. on a level 97 barb. ive probably done many more rebirths than both you and the original poster.

and i know that barrage does lots of damage, because at 21k pdef a 101 archer can hit me for 2-3k a tick with barrage.

Then why you not glitching it properly?
b:puzzled
me has seen archers do it properly in RB and while zhenning on spiders.
>.<'

Knownase - Heavens Tear · June 2010

I don't find this effective, you are sharing points with each other and that can ultimately hurt you.

Let me know if you place Top 5 using this trick, other-wise, going solo is better.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · June 2010

Just win the duel. The barrage stays up and it's a lot safer than trying to tank a barrage. I don't know if the mobs spawn close enough for this to be amazingly effective.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · June 2010

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't find this effective, you are sharing points with each other and that can ultimately hurt you.

Let me know if you place Top 5 using this trick, other-wise, going solo is better.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just win the duel. The barrage stays up and it's a lot safer than trying to tank a barrage. I don't know if the mobs spawn close enough for this to be amazingly effective.

It be time for teh maths now?
b:puzzled
also me find it funny a level 97 barb who apparently RBs quite a lot would have a problem with activating barrage correctly.
b:chuckle

Knownase - Heavens Tear · June 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

It be time for teh maths now?
b:puzzled
also me find it funny a level 97 barb who apparently RBs quite a lot would have a problem with activating barrage correctly.
b:chuckle

No maths....plz....b:surrender

As for glitching Barrage, I loved it in zhenning, never tried it in RB. Figures the Barb would just......go out of range for luring mobs or pulling the bosses away.

Blahhh and rawr

MagicHamsta - Lost City · June 2010

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No maths....plz....b:surrender

As for glitching Barrage, I loved it in zhenning, never tried it in RB. Figures the Barb would just......go out of range for luring mobs or pulling the bosses away.

Blahhh and rawr

*facepaw*
when me go, we tend to put the barrage on me (the wizard) or the BM.
not the barb since they have to run far.
not the bm since they might run far.
not the cleric since they can't move an inch.
wizard can distance shrink and WoTP knockback mobs towards stuff, etc etc.
and while me was still in gamma range, there be not many high level tideborns so yar (tried it with one assassin before, err well me suppose the fish offered moral support since we were using the time saving aoe method to gather the beans.)

o.o'

actually now that me think about it, psychics could probably make a better candidate. (since they don't has a continuous aoe which means they be free to move around.)
but how strong are their aoes compared to DB?
x.x'

Cannibuss - Heavens Tear · June 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Then why you not glitching it properly?
b:puzzled
me has seen archers do it properly in RB and while zhenning on spiders.
>.<'

learn 2 english please, your not a 3 year old.

and when did my argument have anything to do with rebirth? i was arguing exclusively about his point where barraged does only a couple hundred damage of hp to a barb.

learn 2 read?

kenlee · June 2010

why do you need barb? go solo in 3rd past
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0UfOHnFDOs

Longknife - Harshlands · June 2010

Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why would I want to kill one at a time if I have a partner who can aggro every thing in sight and kill it fast. Oh how I love seeing a veno work so hard to aggro 6-7 mobs and have it smashed by my barrage I can hit about 10+ damage each attack on a mob or 15k+ damage with barrage on 6-7+ mobs each attack iteration....I think the latter seems better.

No, you don't have to click on a mp food every 12 secs. Even so, the first part of the event last about 6 min on average. That's about 20k of mp foods, which is nothing.

Because you kill faster 1v1.

Other than that, knowing the competitive nature of the Nien quest, everyone and their mother would see your mob train and they'd all AOE it. Hell, I know I would. The result is you spend 2 minutes gathering mobs when you could've just killed them one by one, and you end up getting minimum contribution for those mobs, cause every Wizard, BM and Psychic has caught on and hit the mobs with their nukes.

Fairly certain I myself can actually out-do your DPS with my AOEs, and I'm not even your level.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · June 2010

Cannibuss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

learn 2 english please, your not a 3 year old.

and when did my argument have anything to do with rebirth? i was arguing exclusively about his point where barraged does only a couple hundred damage of hp to a barb.

learn 2 read?

Mayhaps you should learn to read first, me included rebirth AND zhenning on spiders since both situations tend to call for any archers present to cast glitched barrage....
>.>'

and silly human, me has a greater mastery of this language than you. We has been observing humans for longer than you be aware of. X.x'
This...speak me chose to use be of me own design for reasons not up to you to know.
(>.<)'

Vixter - Harshlands · June 2010

i think it would be better if u:

1: duel a cleric, finish them off with your AOE. that way, any mob that comes in range of u will get hit by ur aoe being "bugged" (thats how they set up the AOE in "zhen" parties anyways)
2: have barb or warrior lure mobs to u (or any class really as long as they can keep the mobs on them until they get to u)
3: only thing is, if the mob is magical/ranged, this wont work out very well.

if u put aoe on barb running around, ur aoe only goes on him. when u hit mobs around him they will go to u, but ur aoe still stays on the barb, not on the monsters, thus making him continue luring pointless unless he also comes to u when the mobs do. u might as well just have him lure without a duel, then set ur aoe on mobs.

Neo Zhen Mode - Has anyone tried it before in Nein Beast Event or for grinding?

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