Level restrictions anyone?

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear · June 2010

buttercupcruella wrote: »

bad idea? what's the challenge of the bh if it is wined??? I ask you, where's the fun??? One goes in, wines it, then a person that has zeal lure skill pulls the bosses (or a veno if you're lucky), and then everybody auto attacks. There is no challenge. I vote for instances not having the ability to be wined.

Who's with me?

EDIT: I forgot to add that I'm a lvl 30 archer and I think all instances are easy (fb 19 and fb 29 was not that bad).

Not everybody feels like wasting 2 hours, getting worthless drops and wasting potions/repairs while you could pay the same for a wine share and save a good few hours.

azurluen · June 2010

buttercupcruella wrote: »

bad idea? what's the challenge of the bh if it is wined??? I ask you, where's the fun??? One goes in, wines it, then a person that has zeal lure skill pulls the bosses (or a veno if you're lucky), and then everybody auto attacks. There is no challenge. I vote for instances not having the ability to be wined.

Who's with me?

EDIT: I forgot to add that I'm a lvl 30 archer and I think all instances are easy (fb 19 and fb 29 was not that bad).

All instances? Do you mean, all instances untill 30? As an archer?

Play a Cleric, go to an unwined 'high' instance, with a suicidal squad, do some epic and awesome wipe salvations, and then talk about 'easy' things.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · June 2010

buttercupcruella wrote: »

bad idea? what's the challenge of the bh if it is wined??? I ask you, where's the fun??? One goes in, wines it, then a person that has zeal lure skill pulls the bosses (or a veno if you're lucky), and then everybody auto attacks. There is no challenge. I vote for instances not having the ability to be wined.

Who's with me?

EDIT: I forgot to add that I'm a lvl 30 archer and I think all instances are easy (fb 19 and fb 29 was not that bad).

bh69 unwined is not fun. at least for me.
since you are lvl30 trust me, you will probably hate it xD
bh79 was fun unwined, every bh from 39 to 51 was fun, 59 was AWESOME (i did only one bh29 and got lost in sp but i guess it would be fun xd)

now, killing the boss is not auto attack. I agree that it might not be that hard (well, in 69 the cleric should purify etc)
i dont have a final view on the wines, it's not like more practise in pulling is required...

but certainly, i'm against removing wines just because you claim that it's fun
if it's fun you can have fun. sure, good luck finding a squad for unwined bh69 but still, if it's fun some ppl will do it and then more and more

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · June 2010

the drops you get from boss most of the time pays for your wine fee anyway
there is no need to do most of the higher fb unwined...

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

the drops you get from boss most of the time pays for your wine fee anyway
there is no need to do most of the higher fb unwined...

lol, of course...
besides, you could get much more than the wine cost if you spend the time to clear the cave grinding

MagicHamsta - Lost City · June 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is other games with level restrictions, why not this game? and @ riverwell, maybe a mage don't auto attack... or cleric lol. But other classes do

?
auto attacking psychics and venomancers?
b:shocked

also because this =/= other games.
x.x'

buttercupcruella · June 2010

*Sarcasm off*

Gee, people, did you read the first post and my 1st reply??? I quote a part of my post:

"4. No more bhs? This again???? More of a challenge??? How? Put more bosses, give them 5 mil hp more, higer damage and more debuffs? Or maybe make bh 69 unwined???? TEAM WORK???? REALLY??? I didn't know!!!! Well, there are some that do not know. b:shutupb:shockedb:surrender"

After this, I posted another comment, 'cause I was unsure of the intentions of Thanos taking "Or maybe make bh 69 unwined????" from my post and saying it is a bad idea. Since I was hoping he was joking with me (chuckle face), I proceeded to post, this time with full sarcasm. AND LOL, BEHOLD ALL!!! When I wrote my post about wined bhs not being a challenge and all, I realized my post might be taken seriously, which is why I added the EDIT, kida trying to make fun of some people... Well, I guess I failed. Or wait a minute.... maybe that means I...and you... b:shutup

MagicHamsta - Lost City · June 2010

lols.
Yulk just be trolling again, this game be hard enough for him as it is. (even if he says otherwise.)
b:chuckle

SilverCleric - Lost City · June 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The third thing, thats their fault if they are too slow, they need to learn how to play instead of "tab" one button in lower leveled instance. Its not impossible to do FBs around your level, if I can do it, you can also. 4 hours is more than enough too. And I know there are others do that better and faster than me too. Have some faith one in a while

Its not just FB's I was talking about I was also talking about all the other instances as well, like a high lvl TT, FC, or GV witch can take up to 2-3 hours to do if there is no party wipes. You also need to think of how long its going to take if there is a party wipe witch will take up to much time to finish.

Bioturn - Heavens Tear · June 2010

I noticed someone mentioned something about there being no challenges in this game. Now mind, I ain't even that high, but I gotta tell ya, there are plenty of challenges. Most of the time you can't really get a good squad together for a BH or TT run, trying frantically to figure out how to tank a BH69 with 3 BM's, 1 cleric, 1 psychic, and 1 assassin. The aggro for that instance was hard to control, and we got wiped first time taking pole. Try making a good strategy out of that.

And yes, level restrictions would be a bad idea. I hear TT3-3 is hard enough, but put a level restriction on it, that's just bad idea.

azurluen · June 2010

If someone thinks there are no challenges, it's because they don't know where to find them. =o_O=

XmasBunny_ - Archosaur · June 2010

buttercupcruella wrote: »

bad idea? what's the challenge of the bh if it is wined??? I ask you, where's the fun??? One goes in, wines it, then a person that has zeal lure skill pulls the bosses (or a veno if you're lucky), and then everybody auto attacks. There is no challenge. I vote for instances not having the ability to be wined.

Who's with me?

EDIT: I forgot to add that I'm a lvl 30 archer and I think all instances are easy (fb 19 and fb 29 was not that bad).

ty for making clear it was sarcasm i got confused XD and btw even "if you're lucky" to get a veno probably the tank or some1 else will be pulling with genie cause "it's faster" *rolls eyes* (i am a veno so i know what i am talking about -.-')

and about the thread: don't want oracles? me neither so i just don't use them. see? easy^^

don't want bh? nope don't do it, i've been only questing latelly too (although i may go back to controled bh - not addicted on fast lvling - in a few days)

don't want higher ppl in fb? nope don't squad with them.

oh and btw yes it's easy to make a fb with a squad arround it's lvl and it's cool for farming molds BUT some friends (lvl 70 and 80+) of mine got molds during bh and not every1 wants to waste time on fb the way you said. So good to have your own opinion but pls don't try to make it real so every1 will play same way you do. like some1 said: in this game you can choose, so stick to your choise and leave others choose their own stuff.

ty and bye

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary · June 2010

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hey guys, stop bashing and be stupidly arbitrary and analyze what he says in detail.

He wants for the sake of challenge and because people level too fast and too badly nowadays, for instances to be regulated.

It's quite not the worst idea he had, but I will say this, to remain fair to everyone:

Hey, bro, it is too late buddy, PWE made a wreck out of instances and threw the game's challenge out of the window; it was made even worse recently.
Why bother now? Why voice yourself when it should have been an idea developers should have had when they planned the game?

It's just like trying to reanimate a decomposing corpse.

Bud, once again you want to change things that cannot be modified anymore; if they are ever, they will cause a massive surge of QQ, flaming, ragequit, trolling, and weeping.

You don't want that do you, pal... And I fear every suggestion went to that idea.

since when has pwe ever cared about that lol

Borsuc - Raging Tide · June 2010

And here's me wanting to remove the level brackets for Rebirth.

Yulk - Heavens Tear · June 2010

buttercupcruella wrote: »

So much fail.
1. Lvl one char to a decent lvl instead of lvling all to lvl 40 and thinking you're awesome (am speaking to all, not to the OP only)
2. there are lvl brackets. A lvl 55 person cannot enter the FFC dungeon.
3. Lvl brackets for fbs? Don't squad with higher lvls, your pick! And in the screenshots from fb 51, there was a player 70+ so FAIL.
4. No more bhs? This again???? More of a challenge??? How? Put more bosses, give them 5 mil hp more, higer damage and more debuffs? Or maybe make bh 69 unwined???? TEAM WORK???? REALLY??? I didn't know!!!! Well, there are some that do not know. b:shutupb:shockedb:surrender
5. Frost with people 75 - 85? in 4 hours... well, that most certainly would require experience, awesome team work and cookiez.
6. TT brackets? YOU'RE insane. [It is you're as in you are, not your insane, I am not the owner of a dog named insane. You musta mistaken me.]
7. Lvl brackets for oracles. W/e

/phew, I kinda got tired...b:chuckle

1. I'll LVL when I feel like it, and no it has nothing to be with being awesome.
3. That LVL 70+ player was the veno's BF, I clearly asked her not to squad him for this dungeon. And where is the BM that we other LVL50s killed the bosses? I already told her it was not really necessary.
4. Scared of squad wipes? Good.
5. Everything in this game should have more awesome team work, and people power leveling themselves there with hypers, its lame.

@ magic hamsta, yes, venoes can auto attack fine O_O. They aren't mages, I was on my daughter's veno and do 400ish damage each.

salvati0n · June 2010

Yulk, don't you have better things to do? Like telling Clerics that they should go LA or something?

Riverwell - Archosaur · June 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@ magic hamsta, yes, venoes can auto attack fine O_O. They aren't mages, I was on my daughter's veno and do 400ish damage each.

facepalmfacepalmfacepalm.
Sure, veno's can auto attak, but foxform also has skills, which are very useful.
I've never been in a party (that I can remember) that everyone has just auto-attacked a mob. (even classes that can like bms and sins) simply because there are attacks that either 1. do more damage 2. help the party do more damage.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · June 2010

buttercupcruella wrote: »

*Sarcasm off*

Gee, people, did you read the first post and my 1st reply??? I quote a part of my post:

"4. No more bhs? This again???? More of a challenge??? How? Put more bosses, give them 5 mil hp more, higer damage and more debuffs? Or maybe make bh 69 unwined???? TEAM WORK???? REALLY??? I didn't know!!!! Well, there are some that do not know. "

After this, I posted another comment, 'cause I was unsure of the intentions of Thanos taking "Or maybe make bh 69 unwined????" from my post and saying it is a bad idea. Since I was hoping he was joking with me (chuckle face), I proceeded to post, this time with full sarcasm. AND LOL, BEHOLD ALL!!! When I wrote my post about wined bhs not being a challenge and all, I realized my post might be taken seriously, which is why I added the EDIT, kida trying to make fun of some people... Well, I guess I failed. Or wait a minute.... maybe that means I...and you... b:shutup

omg lolb:chuckleb:surrender
and i did though that how can a lvl30 archer mention bh69 specifically? xD

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Bioturn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And yes, level restrictions would be a bad idea. I hear TT3-3 is hard enough, but put a level restriction on it, that's just bad idea.

based on the game, tt 3-3 should be done by people above level 100 only...

Ewen - Harshlands · June 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

5. Everything in this game should have more awesome team work, and people power leveling themselves there with hypers, its lame.

Says a lvl 4x guy who has never been to FC. With the 4 hour limit and current lvl 75-85 population like 1 squad of 50 would get through, lol. If it was that hard, who would even bother to try? Another dead function in the game for the win!

/Serious

You're my hero!

Elviron - Dreamweaver · June 2010

@Yulk

Pretty sure most of the others have covered the thoughts I would like to convey. As for challenging quests, I am pretty sure there are plenty that require you to do a lot of things much higher than you.

1.) At around level 75, you get quests to do within FC which requires a level 85 person to open. This already promotes the idea of having atleast 1 higher level person with you for a reason. Even at 9x, if the squad aint good, the run is going to take an awful amount of time which could be spent doing something else.

2.) At 90, you get a OHT cultivation quest that requires you to go into FB99 and kill 3 bosses in there. FB89 and FB99 runs can get messed up real bad if people arent careful enough (even if theyre 9x/10x characters). However I believe you were not aware of this. Mobs in here are like minibosses - tonnes of HP and hit hard.

3.) Nirvana is strictly lvl100 plus...perhaps for good reason

4.) Lower levels do not really get exp in higher level FB runs so that aspect takes care of people trying to get it easy.

5.) If ever you want a challenge, do the FB89s and FB99s unwined. Even unwined there are enough irritating mobs in there to make an unwined BH79 look like a walk in the park.

Sadly you have yet to experience these which is why you find your FB51s or higher levels in there spoiling a challenge. Ever wondered why high level players still come down for low level FBs? REP!! which isnt easy to come by unless youre 95+ where you can do the PQ and get it (or so I've heard). The only other options are OMAs (at 9x its 60 mobs each for measly 3 rep) or to literally buy it.

Korg - Lost City · June 2010

Yulk... why? seriously dude.

please stop the ignorance. b:bye

DeadSound - Lost City · June 2010

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · June 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

We need level brackets in this game.

We need level brackets for FBs, and no more BHs or completely make it more of a challenge while exp reward is nerfed. Its about team work, not click on a mob, zeal pull then auto attack together.

Level brackets for FFs 75-85 while exp reward is heavily nerfed.

Level brackets for TT? You people might go "your insane"

Level brackets for oracles. I seen LVL60s continue killing wicked pirates

you CAN make your OWN squads and be PICKY about the levels so they fit your criteria.

Knownase - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

you CAN make your OWN squads and be PICKY about the levels so they fit your criteria.

QFT +1

As I said before.....make it harder on yourself then....

Ranfa - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its about team work, not click on a mob, zeal pull then auto attack together.

How do you propose we find teamwork in random squads when everyone has their own agenda?

"LF people for BH51. Must be lvl 60-69, must have Vent/Teamspeak, please send resume and coverletter to yulk@hardcoretroll.com, only successful candidates will be invited."

Gammaburst - Harshlands · June 2010

I played a MMORPG before this, that when you hit a boss more than 20 levels under your level, it debuffed you slowed you and cast a confuse spell on you that reversed all your controls. You press left and go right and so on.

The difference in that game was that players competed for bosess which sometimes dropped very rare items. High leves would calculate spawn times and just camp bosses 24/7 getting all drops.

PWI bosses don't drop much to compete for, so its not a problem, and you get an instance for you squad only, as often as you like. The only bosses that are worth competeing for are world boss and it takes only the highest levels anyway to kill.

Having level cap on bosses is a good idea idea but there is really no desperate need for it in PWI.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Ranfa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How do you propose we find teamwork in random squads when everyone has their own agenda?

"LF people for BH51. Must be lvl 60-69, must have Vent/Teamspeak, please send resume and coverletter to yulk@hardcoretroll.com, only successful candidates will be invited."

Hey, hey, no fake spamming b:laugh

Cyriaella - Raging Tide · June 2010

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

since when has pwe ever cared about that lol

they care... when it makes them lose money. i mean who's going to buy hypers or guardian scrolls if you need to farm TT/FB at level for molds and mats. can't use hypers to level and you have to go become suicidal so you don't level too fast which means no guardian scrolls since they remove exp loss... less money for the host.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Cyriaella - Raging Tide wrote: »

they care... when it makes them lose money. i mean who's going to buy hypers or guardian scrolls if you need to farm TT/FB at level for molds and mats. can't use hypers to level and you have to go become suicidal so you don't level too fast which means no guardian scrolls since they remove exp loss... less money for the host.

And that is corrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrect!!

Level restrictions anyone?

Comments

Categories