Chi for Demon Venos

Desiree - Harshlands

I was seriously contemplating of switching over to Sage purely for the Master Li's Technique skill (gives 50 chi every minute) such that I can Bramble Hood more often but I discovered a few things while looking over the demon skill descriptions on ecatomb:

○Crush Vigor

Range 10 meters
Mana 12
Channel 1.5 second
Cast 1.2 second
Cooldown 30 second
Weapon Unarmed, Magic Instruments

Requisite Cultivation Master of Discord
While in Fox Form, curse the target to make it lose 12 Chi whenever it is hit and gives a chance to gain one Spark. Lasts 15 seconds.

At any time an enemy may only be affected by one curse.

Demon version has a 50% chance to gain one Spark.

○Lending Hand

Range 20 meters
Channel 2.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 15.0 seconds
Weapon Unarmed, Magic Instruments

Requisite Cultivation Master of Discord
Transfer one Spark to target. Has a chance to transfer two spark.

Requires one Spark

Demon version gives a 20% chance to transfer two Spark.

For demon crush vigor, "Demon version has a 50% chance to gain one Spark." With a 30 second cooldown, as long as you have a target to build chi on, thats roughly one spark per minute. Is this true?

For demon lending hand, "Demon version gives a 20% chance to transfer two Spark." Assuming you have one spark already, if cast on yourself, you may gain an extra free spark. With a 15 second cooldown and 20% chance, thats an 80% chance of gaining a free spark per minute. Is this true?

Ecatomb has been wrong in the past with some of his numbers, however. lvl 1 Lending hand has a 60 second cooldown - does sage/demon lending hand really cut that down to only 15 seconds? lvl 1 crush vigor is also listed as having an MP cost of only 8 mana but in-game, the cost is 200.

Pretty much the end result is, if demon crush vigor and demon lending hand operates as I am assuming it to, does that mean demon venos are actually also able to generate chi (and thus have the 2/3 sparks for bramble hood/triple spark) just as quickly as sage venos can?

On a side note,

○Frost Scarab

Range 27.0meters
Mana 215.0
Channel 1.5 seconds
Cast 0.8 seconds
Cooldown 15.0 seconds
Weapon Unarmed, Magic Instruments

Requisite Cultivation Master of Discord
Throw an icy bug at the enemy, inflicting Wood damage equal to
base magic damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus
5135.0 Wood Damage. Has a 80% chance to inflict frostbite
on the target, causing it to suffer 5135.0 water damage over
9 seconds and decreasing speed by 40%.

Requires one Spark

The frostbite freezes the enemy for 3 seconds.

Is the "freezes the enemy for 3 seconds" a 3 second immobilize?

A reply from someone with demon versions of these skills would be greatly appreciated.

~Desiree

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

Yes, lending hand on yourself is a way for demons to regain chi.

And frost I have no idea - but it's probably an immobilise, not a stun, since the normal effect is a slow.

Regenbogen - Lost City

sage lending hand has a 25%chance transfer a spark without consuming one...

25% > 20% b:bye

kenlee

who cares about 25% > 20%, if you are in a squad and someone need 2 spark for invoke or bb... there is your tiny chance to save something
@Desiree
ask Nyxya, he has landing and frost and idk about crush. the skills actually are cheap now, mine sitting in banker, waiting for sp to rise up

Desiree - Harshlands

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes, lending hand on yourself is a way for demons to regain chi.

Is it actually only 15s cooldown though? Also, does it continue to give you free sparks after you've gotten 2 sparks?

kenlee wrote: »

ask Nyxya, he has landing and frost and idk about crush. the skills actually are cheap now, mine sitting in banker, waiting for sp to rise up

Thanks, will do the next time I see him in-game.

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver

I never use Frost Scarab, so I don't know about it. I am fairly certain that demon lending hand is indeed a 15 second cooldown, and crush vigor does have a 50% chance to gain a spark.

What's the point of Frost Scarab anyway? Slowing an enemy is nice, but at the cost of a spark, it really doesn't seem worth the trouble.

kenlee

Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »

Is it actually only 15s cooldown though? Also, does it continue to give you free sparks after you've gotten 2 sparks?



Thanks, will do the next time I see him in-game.

yes im sure that skill is 15 sec cooldown and works like you described.

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear

demon lending does work on yourself when u have at least 1 spark but u also have the 20% chance u can loose that spark if u wanna gain chi why not get cloud erruption on your genie i build chi pretty quick using that

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear

kenlee wrote: »

yes im sure that skill is 15 sec cooldown and works like you described.

both demon and sage lending have 15 sec cooldown only diff between the 2 is sage has 25% chance of passing 2 sparks compaired to the demons 20% chance and for demons why not get cloud erruption on ya genie to gain chi that works well for me and i gain it fast enough to

Desiree - Harshlands

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What's the point of Frost Scarab anyway? Slowing an enemy is nice, but at the cost of a spark, it really doesn't seem worth the trouble.

Demon Frost Scarab has an added 3 second immobilize and a slightly higher damage than Demon Venomous Scarab. I was just wondering how effective that 3 second immobilize really is in 1v1 PvP seeing as venos lack other stuns apart from Air Strand/Occult Ice (Stunning Blow will miss in PvP for an arcane build like me).

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why not get cloud erruption on your genie i build chi pretty quick using that

My current genie is stated for PK survivability with no spare attribute points left. At lvl 100, I have 21 affinity points: 6 MT, 5 WD, 4 ER, 6 WT, 0 FR. 6 MT for Air Strand, 5 WD for Fortify, 4 ER for Absolute Domain, 6 WT for Expel (my other genie skills are Extreme Poison and Holy Path). I can't learn Cloud Erruption til I get two more affinity points, i.e. hit lvl 102. I could make a chi genie, but the time it takes for me to switch out the genie and wait for the energy to reach a high enough level, I could have built that chi up through pet heals.

For crush vigor, is there any demon venos with it who have tried it in PvP situations. Since it requires a target, I would assume it'd be hard to use when you're building chi in safe zone and in TW, I can only see it being used on the totems, on enemy cata barbs when on defense, or on enemies when purge/amp are in cooldown and you are waiting for foxform to cool down. In those cases though, how does it compare to just simple meleeing the target for chi?

Kali - Raging Tide

I feel the pain. b:chuckle
I use Demon Lending Hand on myself & Chi Pots. Genie affinities won't allow me to learn Cloud Eruption on my PVP Genie but yea, whatever. Not lacking chi that much since I got Demon LH, the 15sec CD aren't too bad. b:surrender