OMG! Jungle Ruins coming back!

Kupuntu - Sanctuary
Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
edited June 2010 in General Discussion
Go check patch notes!

Now that I got you in this thread, I want to know what do you think: is it possible that other removed things are also coming back?
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Why not?

    If you were a developer, would you rather start a new project from scratch or complete an unfinished project that's already 30% done? The latter is always easier, so I don't see why they wouldn't finish other things, too.
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Wow developer start to finish things. b:victory I love these. b:dirty
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    It's altogether possible they have different dev teams assigned to do different things. Forrest Ruins had been removed from the game for a long time... so perhaps they had been working on it for much longer?

    Without actually working for the management, we'll never know.

    And instead of QQing about something else, maybe you should show a little gratitude that things are getting worked on instead of crying that they're not getting worked on quickly enough for your satisfaction?
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    It's altogether possible they have different dev teams assigned to do different things. Forrest Ruins had been removed from the game for a long time... so perhaps they had been working on it for much longer?

    Without actually working for the management, we'll never know.

    And instead of QQing about something else, maybe you should show a little gratitude that things are getting worked on instead of crying that they're not getting worked on quickly enough for your satisfaction?

    + 10 to these post. b:victory
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

    And instead of QQing about something else, maybe you should show a little gratitude that things are getting worked on instead of crying that they're not getting worked on quickly enough for your satisfaction?

    Seriously why the **** are people always bi***ing about this game? I'd like all the whiners to show us another F2P MMO that doesn't have a galloping economy, has as much content as PW and has regular updates.

    The people who complain about all the cash shop promotions crack me up too. They should see the last MMO I played... b:shocked
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    It's altogether possible they have different dev teams assigned to do different things. Forrest Ruins had been removed from the game for a long time... so perhaps they had been working on it for much longer?

    Without actually working for the management, we'll never know.

    And instead of QQing about something else, maybe you should show a little gratitude that things are getting worked on instead of crying that they're not getting worked on quickly enough for your satisfaction?

    The topic meant that I am happy to see it back. But I think that your post was not directed at me, since I don't remember QQing about not getting things done fast enough.

    Anyway, now that the Jungle Ruins are coming back, it's also possible that Arena comes back too. I'm not saying it will, but this is a good start. Thank you for this.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Still got half a year left, probably have another expansion somewhere down the line.

    Can't wait to see what PWi has in store.b:victory
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  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    If I remember correctly, Forest Ruins runs was removed from the game due to people on the Chinese servers using wall-hacks and finishing the race within a minute or two (see YouTube videos). Those wall-hacks have been fixed now presumably so back comes the race. Still curious on why they removed the PK tournament though (question is, did they remove it or was the data moved to some other patch blob that PWI hasn't updated?)
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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited June 2010
    Could just be a "new" end game dungeon using the ruins dungeon.
  • FateMakerr - Heavens Tear
    FateMakerr - Heavens Tear Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Wow, I'm excited. Thought ruins was gunna be left to die. :3

    Hmmm.... however, wonder how they're gunna work sin stealth into the mix, seeing as they were not a factor upon ruin's release...
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  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Never mind, I jumped the gun. It will indeed be a new revamped dungeon. It will still be a race, but not like the Snake Island Race type. There'll be the normal running race, some item collection race, and a third one which I don't understand too clearly.

    More info here:
    http://w2i.wanmei.com/news/gamenews/20100609/47184.shtml

    Some background story/backdrop here:
    http://w2i.wanmei.com/news/gamenews/20100608/47158.shtml

    (for the non-Chinese readers, a simple Google translate should do fine)
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  • FateMakerr - Heavens Tear
    FateMakerr - Heavens Tear Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »
    Never mind, I jumped the gun. It will indeed be a new revamped dungeon. It will still be a race, but not like the Snake Island Race type. There'll be the normal running race, some item collection race, and a third one which I don't understand too clearly.

    More info here:
    http://w2i.wanmei.com/news/gamenews/20100609/47184.shtml

    Some background story/backdrop here:
    http://w2i.wanmei.com/news/gamenews/20100608/47158.shtml

    (for the non-Chinese readers, a simple Google translate should do fine)

    Holy coww! Looks SOO much better than the original! Thank Mucho for the info!! :o
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    FateMakerr - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wow, I'm excited. Thought ruins was gunna be left to die. :3

    Hmmm.... however, wonder how they're gunna work sin stealth into the mix, seeing as they were not a factor upon ruin's release...

    Level 150 mobs will always see you, right? If that's so, then stealth won't work.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Level 150 mobs will always see you, right? If that's so, then stealth won't work.

    Yep.

    At least until we find a fish that's level 121, anyways.
  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited June 2010
    I'd rather have arch arena.

    Probably the only reason they don't release it is because the can't make it work with the dumb ranking system.
  • Blancheneige - Heavens Tear
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,494 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    It's altogether possible they have different dev teams assigned to do different things.
    PW is a very old game. I have the feeling it is managed by a skeleton crew of developers, and/or less talented developpers that are moved to newer games when their talents increase. Most of their staff must be allocated to new games.

    Anyway, that's their business model : publish as many game as they can and let the older games slowly dies.

    And yes, it's a good thing they bring back Forrest Ruins... 3 years later.... But before I cheer, I'll wait to see what was modified from the original...
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  • Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear
    Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    Yep.

    At least until we find a fish that's level 121, anyways.

    max lvl is 105 -.-
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    max lvl is 105 -.-

    What truekossy mean is not like there lv 121 already, but until the game developed to reach that lv. b:surrender
    Which mean assassin can't just go walk at jungle with current lv limit.
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Anyway, that's their business model : publish as many game as they can and let the older games slowly dies.

    And yes, it's a good thing they bring back Forrest Ruins... 3 years later.... But before I cheer, I'll wait to see what was modified from the original...

    Because everybody loves a pessimistic ungrateful attitude.

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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    PW is a very old game. I have the feeling it is managed by a skeleton crew of developers, and/or less talented developpers that are moved to newer games when their talents increase. Most of their staff must be allocated to new games.

    Anyway, that's their business model : publish as many game as they can and let the older games slowly dies.

    And yes, it's a good thing they bring back Forrest Ruins... 3 years later.... But before I cheer, I'll wait to see what was modified from the original...

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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    o.o Whats Jungle Ruins?
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Because of past experience.

    I would love some new content!

    But so far, every time there has been new content, it has been bad in some glaringly obvious "We never actually playtested this" way.

    So yes. If someone gave me, for my birthday, every year, a nicely-wrapped present - and it had a delicious cake inside, and that cake was filled with VENOMOUS SCORPIONS...
    Then this year, I think I could be excused for saying: "Well.. thank you.. uh, there aren't any scorpions in it this time are there? I think I'd better put this on the side, next to the scorpion traps, and wait and see, you know?"
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    PW is a very old game. I have the feeling it is managed by a skeleton crew of developers, and/or less talented developpers that are moved to newer games when their talents increase. Most of their staff must be allocated to new games.

    You're right, it is a very old game, however the size and scope of this game is pretty large compared to most modern releases. When you look at FPS releases that often take years to develop (think HL series, CTD, GoW, or any other high-budget game), they have a production crew as large as many modern film production staffs. I don't think PW has a development staff anywhere near those proportions, but it's hardly a skeleton crew.

    Perfect World has 2500 employees. And if you look at how often content updates have actually been released and in the timeframe they have been, it's pretty obvious the development staff is much larger than most people here would imagine and is most likely separated into several different groups handling different tasks. There have been what, somewhere between 4-6 expansions since PWI opened up? Sorry, you can't release new content at such a pace without having a rather extensive development team.

    Also, the fact that some bugs seem to be reintroduced would lead me to believe this as well, as this is a rather common occurrence to software companies who do have multiple dev groups... one for fixing bugs/glitches, and probably several for creating new content. It's usually in the update phase that one of the groups did not use the latest base code, so sometimes problems are accidentally reintroduced.

    As for being an old game, that's quite true. The engine is already being pushed much farther than it had been intended, and I'm fairly certain that much of the development staff that originally designed the game is no longer working with PWE. That's one reason why many of the oldest bugs may have not been fixed, as some if it might be hidden in some mess of code that if adjusted might cascade into a whole new slew of bugs without a major rewrite, but of course, there's no way to know unless some programmer decompiles both the server and client side software and examines the code.

    PWI is currently sitting on my computer at 5.35 GB. Much of that data is also compressed and even by most new game standards, that's quite a lot for any one skeleton team to have to manage. Imagine how large PW would be if it included truly high resoultion graphics texture files and if many of the models and sounds weren't re-used.
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    OMG that's very good explanation.
    @ Michael_dark + 20 for you. b:victory

    (and i can't explain at all Q.Q)
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  • Heartstone - Dreamweaver
    Heartstone - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I'm happy they'r bringing that back =D

    Lets get Arena back too xD
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  • azurluen
    azurluen Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    So, this is the Montly Race? (or some sort of?)

    Looks great. =o_O=
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  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    o.o Whats Jungle Ruins?

    http://janelh.wikidot.com/jungle-ruins

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  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Wow, Mosz, thanks for linking that video. When I joined, I'd heard of the Ruins, but never found anything out about them, and that video makes it look like a ton of fun! Can't wait til it's finished and implemented~
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    It doesn't matter how large your life is, each monster deals 40k damage. Meaning 1 hit = dead.

    Lol.... can't wait b:chuckle
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  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Lol.... can't wait b:chuckle

    think of the lag >_>

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