End-game Wizard vs end-game fist BM... who usually wins?

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I agree that fist BMs without a lot of -interval kinda suck... but man, when they DO get that -interval, the boost in damage is like several times over. b:shockedb:surrender

    This thread was sort of created for you. Fist BMs are so OP compared to Wizards in PvP? Judging by the results from end-game players, out of 31 votes, 81% of mages that voted are more likely to kill a fist bm than to die by one.

    I just love how you make up your opinions to suit your argument when you don't really have a clue what you're talking about.

    Equally geared end-game mage with similar refines and most of their important lvl 11 skills, especially Stone Barrier, are tough opponents.
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    This thread was sort of created for you. Fist BMs are so OP compared to Wizards in PvP? Judging by the results from end-game players, out of 31 votes, 81% of mages that voted are more likely to kill a fist bm than to die by one.

    I just love how you make up your opinions to suit your argument when you don't really have a clue what you're talking about.

    Equally geared end-game mage with similar refines and most of their important lvl 11 skills, especially Stone Barrier, are tough opponents.

    and ofc here eveyrbody vote (mainly who never got a lv100 wizz/bm just readed XD)

    same in archer forum where leaded "remove 1/2 dmg penalty" and most of ppl dont really got any problem with it, really.

    (or i know few more example where a poll result dont showed nothing)

    i dont say they are op but fact they arent weaker too.
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Hop over the Cloud Eruption thread a little, or post this in BM forums. And take note, the question you asked in the POLL is not the same as the thread's title.

    A wizard can kill even a BM that does INFINITE damage. Does that mean it's balanced? GTFO. b:bye
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Hop over the Cloud Eruption thread a little, or post this in BM forums. And take note, the question you asked in the POLL is not the same as the thread's title.

    A wizard can kill even a BM that does INFINITE damage. Does that mean it's balanced? GTFO. b:bye

    Why don't you actually GET to 100, get your lvl 11 skills and fight an equally geared BM instead of talk out of your **** like a know it all with zero experience in the matter?

    Umm... I don't need a poll as a BM. I fight equally and better geared 10x mages on a damn near daily basis and have for oh, I dunno.... like a year or more? Duh.

    And especially with these +30 attack level Jones Blessings, fist/claw BM isn't all that special in PvP anymore.

    b:bye
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  • Sheswes - Heavens Tear
    Sheswes - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,216 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Accelerator wins...b:bye
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  • tradesell
    tradesell Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    BM vs wizard cheap equipment/low refinement = fist bm got the advantage
    BM vs wizard good equipment/high refinement = wizard got the advantage

    win or lose depend on pots, genie skills, player skills.

    I kill a fist bm anyday
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    tradesell wrote: »
    BM vs wizard cheap equipment/low refinement = fist bm got the advantage
    BM vs wizard good equipment/high refinement = wizard got the advantage

    win or lose depend on pots, genie skills, player skills.

    I kill a fist bm anyday

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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    This thread was sort of created for you. Fist BMs are so OP compared to Wizards in PvP? Judging by the results from end-game players, out of 31 votes, 81% of mages that voted are more likely to kill a fist bm than to die by one.

    I just love how you make up your opinions to suit your argument when you don't really have a clue what you're talking about.

    Equally geared end-game mage with similar refines and most of their important lvl 11 skills, especially Stone Barrier, are tough opponents.
    you know, this is not a 1vs1 game. this is that kind of rock-paper-scissors type of game. since when a warrior should really win over any other class in terms of DD or pvp?
    bm is good class to have in a squad, buffs/debuffs and stuns obviously but making them better than actual DD's were the worst choice that PW made it. just let the DD part to archers/wiz/sins and the support part to bm/veno/cleric/barb.

    saying that only fists bm's have a chance today is what makes most bm's fail nowadays
  • ale2334
    ale2334 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Agreed. Today a BM with +10 Striking Dragon hit very hard .... In PvE =D

    Today in PvP a LvL 100 Fist BM with +5 Armors, Lunar cape with 3 savants, +5 decides and Warsoul of Earth +7 came hit me. Poor boy ...

    ******* takes 8.029 damage. ******* deals 483 dmg
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    ale2334 wrote: »
    Agreed. Today a BM with +10 Striking Dragon hit very hard .... In PvE =D

    Today in PvP a LvL 100 Fist BM with +5 Armors, Lunar cape with 3 savants, +5 decides and Warsoul of Earth +7 came hit me. Poor boy ...

    ******* takes 8.029 damage. ******* deals 483 dmg

    must have been a pretty terrible BM, I don't know how you run around with event/+5 armors and still have less than 8k hp.. Fist bm's aren't supposed to have hard hits.. they are supposed to hit quickly and the damage adds up incredibly fast. Anyway fist BM's have higher dps than anything else in game (except maybe interval sins).. so yes they hit hard in pvp too.
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    ale2334 wrote: »
    Agreed. Today a BM with +10 Striking Dragon hit very hard .... In PvE =D

    Today in PvP a LvL 100 Fist BM with +5 Armors, Lunar cape with 3 savants, +5 decides and Warsoul of Earth +7 came hit me. Poor boy ...

    ******* takes 8.029 damage. ******* deals 483 dmg

    u are pretty sure he used weapon? (ofc he dont used mdef sutra [i bet])
  • Ignation - Lost City
    Ignation - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    ummm...

    Hasn't anyone noticed that, Michael_Dark said...PVP POTS?

    a fist BM will have a really really hard time against a Wizard if he can't stun you.

    My gear is not hax, nor am I the best mage, so I can't really say.

    But if the mage doesn't kill the BM before anti stun pot wears off (and that is bieng said like the BM would let him since he too can domain + immune pot) then the mage will be screwed if Occult Ice procs on him.

    FYI, Expel doesn't work anymore on your opponent if he had the screen buff filter, so you will have to use in on yourself.

    It all depends on luck + skill, Occult ice fails = the mage will escape.

    Hell, it can be an endless fight if both are damn skilled.

    All i'm saying is, it depends on luck. b:surrender
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  • Kokki - Harshlands
    Kokki - Harshlands Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    oh, I'm pretty sure a demon sparked Drake's Breath Bash with frenzy and poison if it crits can easily 1 shot a wizard. I actually have no doubt about that , lol.
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i was unbuffed he demon spark amp frenzied crited on me. that thing can 1 shot a wizard


    Read my post again please, I said non amped lol
    And read again, i said as a fist BM i needed HF + TE to 1 shot a decent geared player. No fist BM can one shot any class unless they amp like crazy. Fist BM's are not damage per hit class, they rely on attack speed to kill off someone.

    Oh BTW, Pure_Black is me :P

    Like i said i did some damage testing with my faction mate with 5 APS, over 10K unbuffed HP. If i got range, he won't even touch me.

    FoW -> Undine -> sutra -> GS -> Bids = bye bye BM

    And trust me to say that he is one of the highest HP / damage BM's on the server, so in a case of fist BM vs wiz, the one that gets off the first control skill wins. If he stuns me i'm toast. Roar -> spark -> Occult ice -> AFK auto attack. Under spark he can crit up to 3K, meaning if he gets a lucky streak he will deal 10-15K damage in 1 sec to me b:shocked
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kokki - Harshlands wrote: »
    Read my post again please, I said non amped lol
    And read again, i said as a fist BM i needed HF + TE to 1 shot a decent geared player. No fist BM can one shot any class unless they amp like crazy. Fist BM's are not damage per hit class, they rely on attack speed to kill off someone.

    Oh BTW, Pure_Black is me :P

    Like i said i did some damage testing with my faction mate with 5 APS, over 10K unbuffed HP. If i got range, he won't even touch me.

    FoW -> Undine -> sutra -> GS -> Bids = bye bye BM

    And trust me to say that he is one of the highest HP / damage BM's on the server, so in a case of fist BM vs wiz, the one that gets off the first control skill wins. If he stuns me i'm toast. Roar -> spark -> Occult ice -> AFK auto attack. Under spark he can crit up to 3K, meaning if he gets a lucky streak he will deal 10-15K damage in 1 sec to me b:shocked

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    lv100 bm with +7 hh100 fist and unbuffed 9x cleric (cleric dont got ubergear but anyway indifferent when a ppl is unbuffed +500pdef still dont save ur life and his fist really not +10 or +12 or some others and dont used jonas or something ebcause its from another server[not private:P]).
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kokki - Harshlands wrote: »
    Like i said i did some damage testing with my faction mate with 5 APS, over 10K unbuffed HP. If i got range, he won't even touch me.
    Like I said before, BMs can do infinite damage and wizards will still kill them sometimes. That doesn't mean their damage is balanced, plain and simple.
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Why don't you actually GET to 100, get your lvl 11 skills and fight an equally geared BM instead of talk out of your **** like a know it all with zero experience in the matter?
    Nah because this is only you trying to avoid the situation. Thinking I'm childish like you to project myself (and my experiences) when I'm looking at facts.

    I didn't say a BM will always beat a wizard. I even said a bm with infinite damage will still lose sometimes.

    However, only idiots would say that makes it balanced. Balance is not about who wins or if something is killable.

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