Fail?
nakedizabela
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So I feel like a fail cleric a LOT lately.
BH runs were basically fine before BH 51.
But in BH 51 and especailly the occasional Zimo my BH runs tend to be terrible about 65-75% of the time.
The whole squad gets whiped out at least 2 times and I feel like people blame me without saying anything. Most of the time we either don't have a barb or have a lower level bard (like level 62 for BH 51).
I've had a tank that was afraid to tank and he waited for the assassin to take agro from every enemy and then he'd attack. We got whiped out at least 7 times during that run.
Then todays squad really upset me, they hurt my feelings a little bit too b:sad
We had a venomancer (that did nothing), a 62 barb, a 94 archer, an afk assassin, myself and a phychic. We were fine until Rankar, he killed me with AOE (which almost NEVER happens in my case) so everyone except the barb died, I got back in the cave and almost caught up to the survivng barb and then rankar killed him and then he killed me. So I came back again and some runners respawned by that time so the barb released and he was on one end of the hallway and I was on the other and there were 2 runners 1 slow and 1 fast and he took one and I couldn't get to him because the slow one was on my end. The barb was left with about 30% of his life before he got to me with both of the enemys after him I started healing but was not fast enough and he died and then I died. So the 94 archer got annoyed and they kicked the assassin and added a level 80 cleric and they were BEGGING her to stay and they kept saying that someone has to leave. So I left after they were all complaining for a good 5 minutes.
I DO stack IH, my eyes are glued to the health bars on the squad list thing on the side.
Does everyone have problems like this or do I just suck at being a cleric?
Is it up to me to choose when to heal to not take agro or is it up to who ever is tanking to attack all of the enemys so that I don't get attacked?
Most of the time when anyone is getting attacked they immediately run away and the enemy is 90% of the time long ranged and they get down to pretty low health but if I heal then I will take agro and die. Its just weird how some barb invited me to do HH with him and he said I did great and then today I suck at BH 51.
Please share your comment and experiences b:cryb:surrender
BH runs were basically fine before BH 51.
But in BH 51 and especailly the occasional Zimo my BH runs tend to be terrible about 65-75% of the time.
The whole squad gets whiped out at least 2 times and I feel like people blame me without saying anything. Most of the time we either don't have a barb or have a lower level bard (like level 62 for BH 51).
I've had a tank that was afraid to tank and he waited for the assassin to take agro from every enemy and then he'd attack. We got whiped out at least 7 times during that run.
Then todays squad really upset me, they hurt my feelings a little bit too b:sad
We had a venomancer (that did nothing), a 62 barb, a 94 archer, an afk assassin, myself and a phychic. We were fine until Rankar, he killed me with AOE (which almost NEVER happens in my case) so everyone except the barb died, I got back in the cave and almost caught up to the survivng barb and then rankar killed him and then he killed me. So I came back again and some runners respawned by that time so the barb released and he was on one end of the hallway and I was on the other and there were 2 runners 1 slow and 1 fast and he took one and I couldn't get to him because the slow one was on my end. The barb was left with about 30% of his life before he got to me with both of the enemys after him I started healing but was not fast enough and he died and then I died. So the 94 archer got annoyed and they kicked the assassin and added a level 80 cleric and they were BEGGING her to stay and they kept saying that someone has to leave. So I left after they were all complaining for a good 5 minutes.
I DO stack IH, my eyes are glued to the health bars on the squad list thing on the side.
Does everyone have problems like this or do I just suck at being a cleric?
Is it up to me to choose when to heal to not take agro or is it up to who ever is tanking to attack all of the enemys so that I don't get attacked?
Most of the time when anyone is getting attacked they immediately run away and the enemy is 90% of the time long ranged and they get down to pretty low health but if I heal then I will take agro and die. Its just weird how some barb invited me to do HH with him and he said I did great and then today I suck at BH 51.
Please share your comment and experiences b:cryb:surrender
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nakedizabela wrote: »So I feel like a fail cleric a LOT lately.
BH runs were basically fine before BH 51.
But in BH 51 and especailly the occasional Zimo my BH runs tend to be terrible about 65-75% of the time.
The whole squad gets whiped out at least 2 times and I feel like people blame me without saying anything. Most of the time we either don't have a barb or have a lower level bard (like level 62 for BH 51).
I've had a tank that was afraid to tank and he waited for the assassin to take agro from every enemy and then he'd attack. We got whiped out at least 7 times during that run.
If you do as you say stack IH and all that, you're not a fail cleric, you just are in the wrong squad, all the time o.o.
But for BH51 you really should have a barb in squad (and a 62 that can't tank is fail imo )."One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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I've had more bad BH experiences in 51 than any other. BH39 is close though. One key element that was always missing in these groups was communication. Squad members would run in completely different directions or run at a varying pace and attack mobs no where near the rest of the squad.
Keeping your eye on health bars is good, but keep an eye on the action too. See who the mobs/boss is aiming at currently... or running toward in a rage >_> If your squad members are trying to fight mobs without someone getting aggro on all of them, then you need to decide:
If I heal them and draw that aggro to me, will I be able to survive a hit or four (with or without plume shell up)?
If the answer is no, let them die. It's faster than you running back to town and risk dying back on the way to your squad.
All in all, just learn from the bad BHs and try to not let similar situations happen in the future
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Welcome to the cleric forums. Look through it, and you'll see you're definitely not alone. Everyone has runs like that. And bh 51 is one of the worst as far as people learning their roles is.
Keep in mind... your #2 priority is to keep the squad alive. Your #1 priority is to keep yourself alive. So if mobs aren't aggroed properly and will attack you if you heal, then don't heal. Far better that you're left standing and able to rez after a wipe than you die and have to go to town.
That said, it sounds like there are a couple things about that specific dungeon that you could use a bit of practice on. For example, as a cleric, do not ever get near Rankar. He has 2 aoes... a far one that's kinda annoying but easily managed with an occasional Chromatic Healing Beam or secondary heals from a wiz or psy. Rankar also has a closer aoe that can 1-hit-kill a lot of arcane armor wearers. So yeah, there's that.
In the case of the walkers in the hall, it doesn't sound like either of you did anything wrong, but it seems you were pretty poorly coordinated. The barb should have been ok taking those hits long enough to get to you so you could heal. Clerics are slow and squishy, but barbs are fast and tough. Usually, the barb needs to come to you, and quickly.
As for general tips: check your gear and skills, and make sure they're up to date. This is the point when you should start sharding your equips (hp or phy resist are recommended) and your IH and buffs should be as high as possible at this point (except maybe the group buffs... don't necessarily need those, but they're handy).
Also, it sounds like you could use a bit of Vitality... I capped mine at 30 + equips, and I'm pretty hard to kill with a couple stacked Ironhearts. I can outlast almost anything just by healing myself until someone else jumps in and grabs aggro.
Oh, and start explaining heal aggro to people who aren't hitting mobs but still expect you to heal. A lot of DDers don't get it by level 60, and, even worse, a couple tanks won't understand it either. Explain that they need to hit ALL the mobs that are attacking, or else the ones that haven't been hit with anything will attack you when you heal. And if you're busy healing yourself, you can't heal anyone else. Most people will get the point.
Along that line, it is very import to watch your tank, to make sure he does aggro all the mobs. If he doesn't, sit him down and have the Heal Aggro Talk.
It's hard to see if you're necessarily doing anything wrong without seeing you in action. But read the various guides and posts in this forum, and you'll probably get an idea of what a successful cleric deals with. Like I said, experiences like that aren't unusual, and it does get better as you get to higher levels. Hang in there; you're still learning too. People can't expect you to save the world. If they do, just tell them to roll a cleric, and they'll learn how tough our job really is. b:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Flickerfae - Sanctuary wrote: »Welcome to the cleric forums. Look through it, and you'll see you're definitely not alone. Everyone has runs like that. And bh 51 is one of the worst as far as people learning their roles is.
Keep in mind... your #2 priority is to keep the squad alive. Your #1 priority is to keep yourself alive. So if mobs aren't aggroed properly and will attack you if you heal, then don't heal. Far better that you're left standing and able to rez after a wipe than you die and have to go to town.
That said, it sounds like there are a couple things about that specific dungeon that you could use a bit of practice on. For example, as a cleric, do not ever get near Rankar. He has 2 aoes... a far one that's kinda annoying but easily managed with an occasional Chromatic Healing Beam or secondary heals from a wiz or psy. Rankar also has a closer aoe that can 1-hit-kill a lot of arcane armor wearers. So yeah, there's that.
In the case of the walkers in the hall, it doesn't sound like either of you did anything wrong, but it seems you were pretty poorly coordinated. The barb should have been ok taking those hits long enough to get to you so you could heal. Clerics are slow and squishy, but barbs are fast and tough. Usually, the barb needs to come to you, and quickly.
As for general tips: check your gear and skills, and make sure they're up to date. This is the point when you should start sharding your equips (hp or phy resist are recommended) and your IH and buffs should be as high as possible at this point (except maybe the group buffs... don't necessarily need those, but they're handy).
Also, it sounds like you could use a bit of Vitality... I capped mine at 30 + equips, and I'm pretty hard to kill with a couple stacked Ironhearts. I can outlast almost anything just by healing myself until someone else jumps in and grabs aggro.
Oh, and start explaining heal aggro to people who aren't hitting mobs but still expect you to heal. A lot of DDers don't get it by level 60, and, even worse, a couple tanks won't understand it either. Explain that they need to hit ALL the mobs that are attacking, or else the ones that haven't been hit with anything will attack you when you heal. And if you're busy healing yourself, you can't heal anyone else. Most people will get the point.
Along that line, it is very import to watch your tank, to make sure he does aggro all the mobs. If he doesn't, sit him down and have the Heal Aggro Talk.
It's hard to see if you're necessarily doing anything wrong without seeing you in action. But read the various guides and posts in this forum, and you'll probably get an idea of what a successful cleric deals with. Like I said, experiences like that aren't unusual, and it does get better as you get to higher levels. Hang in there; you're still learning too. People can't expect you to save the world. If they do, just tell them to roll a cleric, and they'll learn how tough our job really is. b:pleased
The best way to avoid getting the arggo of mobs while healing, is to invite a BM to come and AoE everything that the tank misses.
BM's are one of the few reason's Clerics are able to survive a lot of the time in BH's (besides healing themselves, gear, wep, etc.).0 -
Words of Advice -->
As a Cleric there will be many times in which you may or may not feel fail. It is a class that requires a tough skin and much patience. You WILL get blamed for things even if they are not at all your fault.
Things get easier at the higher levels but still do not change in some respects. Wipes still happen and things still go wrong.
Learn your skills and know that you have done whatever you could in the given situation. Things happen regardless of your level and skill.
BH's are good for learning your strengths and weaknesses and I can assure you you have a few that might challenge you in later levels. Also, some squads are just doomed to fail.
Don't give up...being a Cleric is extremely rewarding and it only gets better as you level, learn and build confidence.
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »Words of Advice -->
As a Cleric there will be many times in which you may or may not feel fail. It is a class that requires a tough skin and much patience. You WILL get blamed for things even if they are not at all your fault.
Things get easier at the higher levels but still do not change in some respects. Wipes still happen and things still go wrong.
Learn your skills and know that you have done whatever you could in the given situation. Things happen regardless of your level and skill.
BH's are good for learning your strengths and weaknesses and I can assure you you have a few that might challenge you in later levels. Also, some squads are just doomed to fail.
Don't give up...being a Cleric is extremely rewarding and it only gets better as you level, learn and build confidence.
b:cute
She's right. I myself am a cleric as well; It is not that you are a fail.
Part wipes arent your fault completely; believe me.
But if you do feel like there a big part of the problem is you,
make sure you're constantly updating your weapon.
Sometimes this can be a big factor in your base healing.
But other than that, just keep your distance from the bosses,
and heal as far away as you can with Ironheart Level 10.0 -
It is easier to skip BH29 & BH39 than to have to go through all the trouble of putting together a squad. The other night I hypered. The exp was similar to BH I, II & III put together.
BH29 is where we are suppose to learn about healing agro. This is a two way street. Kitty and those who presume to be tanks are also suppose to learn about agro, how to get it, and how to hold on to it. For those who can't account for obtained or stolen agro, we learn to leave them to their fate.
After that we learn about boss AOEs. In BH39 we learn how the squad affects Farren's AOE attacks. We learn how the squad can make things easier on the cleric.Flickerfae - Sanctuary wrote: »Oh, and start explaining heal aggro to people who aren't hitting mobs but still expect you to heal. A lot of DDers don't get it by level 60, and, even worse, a couple tanks won't understand it either.
Why?
WHY WHY WHY?
In BH51, we shouldn't have to be dealing with these basics. 51 has enough new challenges on its own.0 -
Flickerfae - Sanctuary wrote: »Keep in mind... your #2 priority is to keep the squad alive. Your #1 priority is to keep yourself alive. So if mobs aren't aggroed properly and will attack you if you heal, then don't heal. Far better that you're left standing and able to rez after a wipe than you die and have to go to town.
This is +1 and absolutely what you need to remember. b:pleased I have a hard time on my cleric too as it seems to be our nature to panic when those hp bars drop but just remind yourself, it is much better that you stay alive to be there to rez everyone.0 -
Yeah! I know how u feel ...b:sad ... but it pass away and u will be fine and comfortable soon.
It helped me to join a higher lvl Cleric for my firsts FB&BH runs, so i can watch them acting and learn the strategy(without ask anything) and an extra Cleric in squad its alway welcome no matter his lvl, at least in my server. At my lvl 5x i feel like out of league doing BH 51, i was slow, can't heal well, died by AoE over'n over... all that things, LoL. Now i am the same for 69.
I've noticed u was unlucky getting squads for this case as well. This can be another frustrating factor maybe.
Don't be worry about.
And please don't call yourself a loser, it's derogative, this game was not made to fail, there is a learning process through it, thats all.
Cya!0
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