Point of Barbarians?
frosty0908
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I started playing here around two months ago now and when I started I loved my barbarian I was under the impression that our sole purpose was to tank bosses but now I am up to 62 I find that alot of 7x levels seem to insisit they tank bosses in instances. I am not a good damage dealer I may cause a nice amount of damage but compared to other classes I do not compete. I find it rather annoying when this happens as it is denying me of what I came here to do and that is to tank I do not enjoy the damage my barbarian deals out I do enjoy being hit sevrel times and not seing my health bar drop and the sattisification of knowing that I played a major role in the bosses death next to the cleric that would of been healing me.
When I play with Veno's I keep in mind that one of there roles is to pull mobs and even though I have zeal I try not to use it as I like them to think they have a purpose in the instance rather than someone just trying to show off "HAHAH LOOK AT ME MA I CAN TANK THIS BOSS" ... Come on people let the classes do what they do best and let them do what there role is meant for I am not talkin about magical bosses here I understand why a more magical def class would be better of tanking them.
Opinions please?
When I play with Veno's I keep in mind that one of there roles is to pull mobs and even though I have zeal I try not to use it as I like them to think they have a purpose in the instance rather than someone just trying to show off "HAHAH LOOK AT ME MA I CAN TANK THIS BOSS" ... Come on people let the classes do what they do best and let them do what there role is meant for I am not talkin about magical bosses here I understand why a more magical def class would be better of tanking them.
Opinions please?
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Point of Barbs ..... Your HP buff
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ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »Point of Barbs ..... Your HP buff
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Great if thats all we have to look foward to now we might as well drop our barbs and play something else b:surrender0 -
ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »Point of Barbs ..... Your HP buff
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+1
lol
oh and cat pulling in tw lol.I'm sorry for misspelling / mistyping and grammar b:surrender
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Fuzzy can see where you are coming from, but there is a time and a place for everything. Veno with pet or BM or whatever want to tank a boss? Why not? It will save you some coin on your repair bill.
But when it comes to being a tank, there is nothing like the satisfaction of tanking a world boss and holding agro from your entire faction as they all smash away on it. b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I always try to show barbs appreciation for their class by tanking whatever bosses I can - it saves on repair costs for the barb and mana pots for the cleric... maybe this is what some of those team members are doing without realising the effect.
I'd recommend that if you can get past this, you should learn some of the humanoid skills, they deal quite a bit more damage
. The point of being there? Veno fail => Barb hero. 0 -
I only suggest other tank than a barb if:
1) BM has huge amount of HP and lots of -int
2) Barb is fail
3) Boss uses magic100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Point of Barbs:
HP Buff
Attack Amp Buff
MASSIVE HP for tanking bosses
Good DD in Human form (alot higher then a human axe DD when compared <.<)
Um....that's all I know of currently. Mainly because i've learned to just do everything I possibly can by myself and not really rely on others so much.0 -
Something to keep in mind, particularly as you mention 7x: All of the bosses in the Valley of Disaster, aka FB/BH59, use a magical attack at range, so they can be tanked by nearly any class. Wizards with their high magic resistance, elemental shells, and high elemental damage arguably make them the best tanks for Zimo (weak to fire), Drake (weak to water, fire elemental DoT), Qianji (weak to earth, water magic attack), and Gluttonix (fire elemental DoT).
A DD class tanking also usually allows everyone else in the squad to do their full damage potential, rather than being limited by how much aggro can be handled.0 -
I can agree with Brigid on the above. BH59/FB59 bosses are basic Magic Bosses. Any psychic, wizard, veno, or cleric can easily tank them with their superior magical defense. Yet, if you let a fist BM, or a barb tank you will see that with a DD'er/True tank doing their "supposed job" you can increase maxium dmg and finish boss quicker.
And that especially is to say if a fist BM of 7x suddenly double sparks, and then begins to fire off hits (and has some - int gear), barb will quickly lose arggo.0 -
I can tank probably every FB up to 99. Haven't tried 69 yet, but I tanked both SoT and Abaddon for BH.
One of the clerics I've been in squad told me that I was easier to heal than a barb. Why? Dunno. His words, not mine.
I've been in a Warsong BH where a fist archer tanked the whole thing (both Snake and Cannon bosses) and also I've been with a BM tanking warsong.
Reason for this upside down world is the anni packs and the endgame-unobtainable-uber refined-wtfpwned gear that's widely available. It's incredibly hard for barbs to tank and keep aggro when they have 2 dds in the back with +10 or more weapons or 5hit/sec archer/bms.
There are little to no places where a barb is needed to tank something. This game had a nice concept and class separation until the -interval and uber pdef ornaments were introduced via ****** packs. Since then ... the tank is the one in squad with the best gear, class doesn't matter.____________
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Well, in a team you must do what's best for the team.
There's absolutely no point to make your squad hold back their attack or insist spamming ream and bouncing aggro IF the person who does highest damage in the squad can tank. Many barbs do this, making the run slower and/or unsafe for no reason.
On the other hand if the person who does highest damage in the squad can't tank or doesn't want to, then DDs should do their best not to steal aggro. Many DDs insist to go all out in this case and steal aggro, die, then brag about it.
You will meet a lot of people like this and you will want to punch them in the face, hope you're on a PvP server.0 -
....whats the point of barbs??
best tanks out there, if the player has done it right!frosty0908 wrote: »I started playing here around two months ago now and when I started I loved my barbarian I was under the impression that our sole purpose was to tank bosses but now I am up to 62 I find that alot of 7x levels seem to insisit they tank bosses in instances. I am not a good damage dealer I may cause a nice amount of damage but compared to other classes I do not compete. I find it rather annoying when this happens as it is denying me of what I came here to do and that is to tank I do not enjoy the damage my barbarian deals out I do enjoy being hit sevrel times and not seing my health bar drop and the sattisification of knowing that I played a major role in the bosses death next to the cleric that would of been healing me.
When I play with Veno's I keep in mind that one of there roles is to pull mobs and even though I have zeal I try not to use it as I like them to think they have a purpose in the instance rather than someone just trying to show off "HAHAH LOOK AT ME MA I CAN TANK THIS BOSS" ... Come on people let the classes do what they do best and let them do what there role is meant for I am not talkin about magical bosses here I understand why a more magical def class would be better of tanking them.
Opinions please?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Everything a barb can tank has been replaced.
The only situation where you need a barb to tank anymore is cata pulling.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Future cata puller will be Heavy cashooper Psy with 99 def level
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Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »Future cata puller will be Heavy cashooper Psy with 99 def level
Luci ? b:shockedIt's all about LoL,yo.0 -
frosty0908 wrote: »Great if thats all we have to look foward to now we might as well drop our barbs and play something else b:surrender
What's all this "we" ****?
Barbs do just fine in this game.
Don't like it - find a better group of people to play with, or re-roll, or just go away.
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well, i for one am always going to be a 'barb backer', and others who want to take over that job can just go jump in the lake. so far as im concerned, other classes can help, but im always going to want a good barb heading any squad im in.Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Everything a barb can tank has been replaced.
The only situation where you need a barb to tank anymore is cata pulling.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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frosty0908 wrote: »I started playing here around two months ago now and when I started I loved my barbarian I was under the impression that our sole purpose was to tank bosses but now I am up to 62 I find that alot of 7x levels seem to insisit they tank bosses in instances. I am not a good damage dealer I may cause a nice amount of damage but compared to other classes I do not compete. I find it rather annoying when this happens as it is denying me of what I came here to do and that is to tank I do not enjoy the damage my barbarian deals out I do enjoy being hit sevrel times and not seing my health bar drop and the sattisification of knowing that I played a major role in the bosses death next to the cleric that would of been healing me.
When I play with Veno's I keep in mind that one of there roles is to pull mobs and even though I have zeal I try not to use it as I like them to think they have a purpose in the instance rather than someone just trying to show off "HAHAH LOOK AT ME MA I CAN TANK THIS BOSS" ... Come on people let the classes do what they do best and let them do what there role is meant for I am not talkin about magical bosses here I understand why a more magical def class would be better of tanking them.
Opinions please?
`Ok for 1 yes barbs are tanks but they have low magic diff. so a mage is a better tank for a magic boss.0 -
did a tt run in 2-2 and yes i let the herc tank the first boss..something went sour and the herc died luckly i was the barb and had to take full control over the situation or there would have been a squishy party wipe with me living and jumping over the edge like a coward..after that the tt went smooth.0
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Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »What's all this "we" ****?
Barbs do just fine in this game.
Don't like it - find a better group of people to play with, or re-roll, or just go away.
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Hostile much?... People can't speak there minds ask questions learn about the current situation?.... Shhh mate grown folk speaking here troll else where.TattooMagic - Harshlands wrote: »`Ok for 1 yes barbs are tanks but they have low magic diff. so a mage is a better tank for a magic boss.
I did mention at the end that magical bosses are better tanked by magical def classes.0 -
The point of Barb is their high hps meaning anything lower need to be healed more.Their dmge may be lower due to their high hps.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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All I have to say is that BH69 Polearm is a pain without a barb.
And any 7x barb who loses aggro to a bm isn't very good, no matter what the bm does.The chillum is sometimes referred to as a chalice, based on a quote from the Biblical book of Deuteronomy. Thanks and praises are offered to Jah before smoking the chillum.0 -
Already mentioned except one but I can make it short:
- Pull Catapults
- Two of the most important buffs
- If not tanking primary by far the safest backup
- I can say:
RAWR! I'm a tiger b:sin[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
If all you've done is limit your barb's playing style to RAWR I R BARB I R TANK then you have essentially ruined a barb and the game for yourself by playing a hard-lined role for yourself and others.
Barbs have more skills toward having and hold aggro, but they have a wide variety of skills for damage dealing too. Barbs are not just tanks, and it's nice to be around barbs who aren't insecure when other people tank ****. Endgame, you'll get used to archers, psy's, wizards, sins, and bm's all constantly tearing aggro from you no matter how much you ream, so it would be best to change the outlook asap.
The 70s are bad for magic users as far as tanking is concerned because every single boss in BH59 (which you get in the 70s) has ranged magic attack which they generally have a high defense toward (if arcane especially). They spent all that time getting their asses crushed by the likes of Farren, Rankar, Fushma, and Wyvern, and it will be hell (in one case just about impossible) for them to try and tank Gaurnob/Polearm/Stygean in their 80s, so let them have their fun now, and enjoy the variety the game gives you. Or, **** and moan about how pointless it is to play a barb because you aren't tanking virtually (noted the exceptions, but hardly counts for much acknowledgement) everything.0 -
Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »Reason for this upside down world is the anni packs and the endgame-unobtainable-uber refined-wtfpwned gear that's widely available. It's incredibly hard for barbs to tank and keep aggro when they have 2 dds in the back with +10 or more weapons or 5hit/sec archer/bms.
There are little to no places where a barb is needed to tank something. This game had a nice concept and class separation until the -interval and uber pdef ornaments were introduced via ****** packs. Since then ... the tank is the one in squad with the best gear, class doesn't matter.
This.
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Barbs have two primary purposes now. Pulling catas and buffs. Demon barb is pretty broken in PvP, but fist/claw BM has pretty much replaced the barb as primary tank.
I solo's Illusion Lord Armageddon long enough for a cleric to go back to town and come back in tonight.... twice. I'm about 1-1.5k hp to be able to solo it without a cleric. 3-1, I can solo.
There's really not much that I can't tank except for a few world bosses and a few others. .I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Frostcovered, FB/BH69, Nirvana, GV, TW
any others?
Those are for you barbs0 -
I'm constantly in FF, Nirvana, and TT runs with either a herc veno, an archer with fists, a sin, or a bm who is tanking, whether it be because we couldn't find a barb, didn't even look for a barb, or the barb would never hold aggro anyways. To a degree, the notion of a "tank barb" is somewhat hitting obsolescence at this point with the development of the game. This is why I retired my barb at 90, and now have my 90 bm getting geared up with -interval -- my bm can tank, so far, pretty much everything a barb can, the only difference is alpha male is my only actual (somewhat) effective aggro skill.Yarly - Harshlands wrote: »Frostcovered, FB/BH69, Nirvana, GV, TW
any others?
Those are for you barbs0
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