BH Stacking; Question

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

This is happening to me alot lately; In the quest hand-in menu, how are you supposed to differentiate between different BHs? I try to do it in the order it appears in my quest log, but half the time it completely screws up. Lost 2 BH IIIs, 2 BH IIs, and a BH I because of it

Sinalee - Dreamweaver

various things have effect on wether u can take a BH or not.

1) u can not hodl two identical orders at the same time. So u can not hold like farren I + farren I. But u can hold farren I + farren III and even farren II (if that exisit) at the same time.

2) you can only START 4 BH orders a day. so if u in a BH I and take the BH II that count as one START, taking the BH I of the todays chain is also starting I. inning a BH III is not starting a BH order.

im not sure if other stuff play in on wether or not u can take a BH. Also point 1 sorta failed on me td (never ever seen it before) cuz i had 2x pyro II at the same time =/ but i couldn't take 2x Nob III so i don't know xD.

also a little tip. If u hold lets say Hercule III and u know that the calcid II u r about to in will give u Hercul III, don't in the calcid II. Do the Hercul III u already have and take the other one after u inned the finished one.

Aadi - Lost City

Banana, the way I do it, you have to turn in every BH you have anyway so it doesn't matter.

For Sinalee...the reason you could have 2 Pyro IIs at once is because two 8x chains have Pyro second. You can't have the same spot on the same chain twice, it doesn't matter what boss it is. Pyro can be doubled because two chains have him in the II spot.

coldice1000

I'm not entirely sure (like 50%) but I think it is dependent on the order you have it in your quest list. So say you have a brim as BH I in your quest list then an Eden as another BH I, then a BH III for stygean and finally a BH II for brigand transient. So it looks like this in your quest list

BH I - Brimstone Pit
BH I - Eden
BH III - Stygean
BH II - Brigand Transient

It should show up as when you talk to the Head Hunter:

BH II
BH III
BH I - Eden
BH I - Brim

So basically it's flipped.

Again, I'm not entirely sure since I don't usually stack my BHs, but when I do and I'm not too lazy to figure it out, it seems to work. Hopefully it is right though xD. I'd like some back up for or against.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

Bump, happened to me again ._.

RawDawg - Heavens Tear

Simple: do all your bhs in one day. Then, keep a completed Bh1 and Bh2 in your log until the next day. Turning those in after reset will give you the whole chain for that day.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

Not what I mean -.-
Read again, it's the turning in part that's giving me trouble

Aadi - Lost City

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not what I mean -.-
Read again, it's the turning in part that's giving me trouble

This is what I don't understand. You do all your BHs in one day. You have a completed BH1, BH2, and BH3 in your quest log. You wait one day. You turn in all three, get the tokens for the BH2 and 3, get all your exp, and pick up the next day's three.

Where's the problem? b:surrender Unless it's with trying to set it up so you have 1, 2, and 3 all at once?

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

I'm trying to get all the BHs of all chains stacked, gets confusing (especially when all 3 chains have Pyro as BH II x.x)

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

I always get all mine then do them all depending on which boss the squad is doing if more than 1 then hand them in.I get the next one and any others or get them on role call.

Telarith - Sanctuary

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

Banana, the way I do it, you have to turn in every BH you have anyway so it doesn't matter.

For Sinalee...the reason you could have 2 Pyro IIs at once is because two 8x chains have Pyro second. You can't have the same spot on the same chain twice, it doesn't matter what boss it is. Pyro can be doubled because two chains have him in the II spot.

Not entirely correct, my cleric has been 9X for over a year, and just recently I gained a 2nd BH2 after an update happened. And considering my cleric has been over level 90 since before BHs even came out, it's impossible to have the first one have been from 8X range. Will check later to see if others can be duplicated, if so it might just be something minor behind the coding.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

This is what I don't understand. You do all your BHs in one day. You have a completed BH1, BH2, and BH3 in your quest log. You wait one day. You turn in all three, get the tokens for the BH2 and 3, get all your exp, and pick up the next day's three.

Where's the problem? b:surrender Unless it's with trying to set it up so you have 1, 2, and 3 all at once?

Not all of us play the game every day. And there are tricks you can do with the account stash and an alt to get all three BH for a day even if you haven't completed the previous BH1 and BH2. If I don't have time to do my main's BH, I'll do a quick BH29 with a level 40s alt and pass the bounty orders to my main so she can pick up the more valuable BH79s. In those cases, the problem the OP is describing occurs. I've run into it a couple times and it's a PITA basically having to guess and losing a bounty order for a wrong guess.

I thought I tested the "the order is flipped" and "the order is same" theories, and IIRC they don't always work. I think there's a certain fixed order they show up in the quest turn-in list, and figuring it out will involve tracking which BHs disappear when you turn them in and some deductive reasoning. Unfortunately, I haven't run into the problem often enough to collect data beyond the "flipped" and "same" theories. The fact that some BH2s and BH3s have the same boss just throws another wrinkle into the puzzle.

Darksylph - Heavens Tear

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is happening to me alot lately; In the quest hand-in menu, how are you supposed to differentiate between different BHs? I try to do it in the order it appears in my quest log, but half the time it completely screws up. Lost 2 BH IIIs, 2 BH IIs, and a BH I because of it

The order they are listed in the hand-in window correlates to an internal quest ID which is permanent. However due to revamps of the BH system, the order of the internal IDs dont always seem logical. Forinstance all 1s appear last due to the revamp making all new 1s, thereby giving them later internal quest IDs by the system.

The order you gotten them in your quest log has no bearing on the order they are listed in in the hand-in window. Lets see if i can make an (over symplified) example, the quest IDs i list are NOT real, just making them up;

chain 1; BH1:farren (quest ID 344) > BH2:calcid (quest ID 297) > BH3:Hercule (quest ID 299)
chain 2; BH1:Hercule (quest ID 345) > BH2:calcid (quest ID 298) > BH3:farren (quest ID 300)

Notice i showed later IDs for BH1s as that happened from a revamp, even tho the actual quest IDs i dont know & made up the numbers. In this Example, the order it would show in the hand-in window would be:

chain1:BH2:calcid
chain2:BH2:calcid
chain1:BH3:Hercule
chain2:BH3:farren
chain1:BH1:farren
chain2:BH1:Hercule

That order is completely fixed (please note, the chain1 & chain2 may be flipped, i dont remember which of the 2 chains the game considers chain 1 through quest IDs). So regardless of what order you recieved them in, they would be listed in that order. Similarly (but more complicated for more chains) patterns exist for later BH chains. So through enough trial and error you can figure out what the permanent order they list them in. In fact just today, i wanted to hand in my 2nd chain BH2 but not my 1st chain BH2 (to hold for tomorrow), and i knew (through my own trial & error) that the 2nd chain i picked up would actually be listed higher in order, and so i turned in the correct one & saved the correct one.

Edit: to my best knowledge, the quest IDs shown in PWdatabase, may not be accurate number to the game, but at the very least, the numbering is in order that they seem to appear in the hand-in list.

Skimi - Dreamweaver

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm trying to get all the BHs of all chains stacked, gets confusing (especially when all 3 chains have Pyro as BH II x.x)

so u want 9 bhs in quest list at the same time? where ppl have so big quest lists...
and you can't do it..well can but then you would need to pay attention what chain and you wouldn't be able to kill some bosses in instances to not mess it up. if you do pyro and get all 3 bhs done then you can give in only one of them to not lose 3rd bh, so good luck guesing which pyro is from which chain when u wanna give it in, cuz if u give all 3 pyros in you will get only 1 bh 3 order not all 3. and anyway this is pretty dumb as it would take days to stack up and days to give in to not lose next orders. just stack them like every1 else.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The order they are listed in the hand-in window correlates to an internal quest ID which is permanent. However due to revamps of the BH system, the order of the internal IDs dont always seem logical. Forinstance all 1s appear last due to the revamp making all new 1s, thereby giving them later internal quest IDs by the system.

The order you gotten them in your quest log has no bearing on the order they are listed in in the hand-in window. Lets see if i can make an (over symplified) example, the quest IDs i list are NOT real, just making them up;

chain 1; BH1:farren (quest ID 344) > BH2:calcid (quest ID 297) > BH3:Hercule (quest ID 299)
chain 2; BH1:Hercule (quest ID 345) > BH2:calcid (quest ID 298) > BH3:farren (quest ID 300)

Notice i showed later IDs for BH1s as that happened from a revamp, even tho the actual quest IDs i dont know & made up the numbers. In this Example, the order it would show in the hand-in window would be:

chain1:BH2:calcid
chain2:BH2:calcid
chain1:BH3:Hercule
chain2:BH3:farren
chain1:BH1:farren
chain2:BH1:Hercule

That order is completely fixed (please note, the chain1 & chain2 may be flipped, i dont remember which of the 2 chains the game considers chain 1 through quest IDs). So regardless of what order you recieved them in, they would be listed in that order. Similarly (but more complicated for more chains) patterns exist for later BH chains. So through enough trial and error you can figure out what the permanent order they list them in. In fact just today, i wanted to hand in my 2nd chain BH2 but not my 1st chain BH2 (to hold for tomorrow), and i knew (through my own trial & error) that the 2nd chain i picked up would actually be listed higher in order, and so i turned in the correct one & saved the correct one.

Edit: to my best knowledge, the quest IDs shown in PWdatabase, may not be accurate number to the game, but at the very least, the numbering is in order that they seem to appear in the hand-in list.

Sweet, this was exactly what I was looking for
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