Don't understand why people say Archer sucks

bkloes

I know this has been done 100 times but I am starting it again to get some quick feedback. It also might counter all the negativity. I am a relative noob since my highest toon is a 69BM....but I started an archer and am loving it. I am at 65 and I love the range and damage I do.

Ok....The breakdown. I think its accepted that archer does fine PvE? but the complaint comes PvP. I know girlfriend who is a psychic does more damage then me but I am constantly saving her butt cause she is squishier then I am. Also we talk about end game mages....but isn't that hard as hell to get to?

Looking at LA.....why do people say it sucks? Its basically ok at everything but not great at anything....Why is that so bad? My BM can grind easy on physical mobs to the point i almost fall asleep, but one magic attack goes wrong and I am looking at my toon going.....What? hmmmmm....did anyone see what just hit me? I like my light armor so far.....except is so GODy does EVERYTHING have to be gold???

So what I see with archer.....
1. decent armor - I am not gonna be tanking anything but I don't need to fear the random magic assault that blindsides me
2. good attack - Not nuking anything but should be enough to dent most mobs...atleast so far at my level
3. grinding and attack range - fastest time killing 60 mobs so far.

Sorry its late and I ramble....I know I am low level still but maybe some of this will spark an interest....and I can learn something or see it from a different perspective.

I am sure I can find things I would like......continued increased range would be awesome and my knockback working in PvP would be huge.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

bkloes wrote: »

I know this has been done 100 times but I am starting it again to get some quick feedback. It also might counter all the negativity. I am a relative noob since my highest toon is a 69BM....but I started an archer and am loving it. I am at 65 and I love the range and damage I do.

Ok....The breakdown. I think its accepted that archer does fine PvE? but the complaint comes PvP. I know girlfriend who is a psychic does more damage then me but I am constantly saving her butt cause she is squishier then I am. Also we talk about end game mages....but isn't that hard as hell to get to?

Looking at LA.....why do people say it sucks? Its basically ok at everything but not great at anything....Why is that so bad? My BM can grind easy on physical mobs to the point i almost fall asleep, but one magic attack goes wrong and I am looking at my toon going.....What? hmmmmm....did anyone see what just hit me? I like my light armor so far.....except is so GODy does EVERYTHING have to be gold???

So what I see with archer.....
1. decent armor - I am not gonna be tanking anything but I don't need to fear the random magic assault that blindsides me
2. good attack - Not nuking anything but should be enough to dent most mobs...atleast so far at my level
3. grinding and attack range - fastest time killing 60 mobs so far.

Sorry its late and I ramble....I know I am low level still but maybe some of this will spark an interest....and I can learn something or see it from a different perspective.

I am sure I can find things I would like......continued increased range would be awesome and my knockback working in PvP would be huge.

Its cause of the failed guide, and they probably try doing that in PVP too lol, I have less trouble on archer now.
Archer guide sucks. End of story. Besides, archer have a lot of tools to beat people in PVP, they just don't know how to play their archers.

As far as LA goes, it isn't fail. I carry light armor as my BM just in case I know what mob or boss I am fighting. And mostly use LA for my veno. I take much less magic damage as a BM on LA, and much less physical damage on my veno than my archer can ever get to.

Katozuma - Raging Tide

I found that archers are pretty good.... in some areas

I would have to agree about having decent armor and attacks also range

I do some PVP sometimes even though i dont win every fight, i've found fighting against sins,bms and barbs isnt that bad as most ppl say it is. The only class I truly have a problem with is those freakin psychic. It sucks that they(psychics) are immune to damage(once buffed) and running from them in pvp doesnt help.

Legerity - Sanctuary

bkloes wrote: »

I know this has been done 100 times but I am starting it again to get some quick feedback. It also might counter all the negativity. I am a relative noob since my highest toon is a 69BM....but I started an archer and am loving it. I am at 65 and I love the range and damage I do.

Ok....The breakdown. I think its accepted that archer does fine PvE? but the complaint comes PvP. I know girlfriend who is a psychic does more damage then me but I am constantly saving her butt cause she is squishier then I am. Also we talk about end game mages....but isn't that hard as hell to get to?

Looking at LA.....why do people say it sucks? Its basically ok at everything but not great at anything....Why is that so bad? My BM can grind easy on physical mobs to the point i almost fall asleep, but one magic attack goes wrong and I am looking at my toon going.....What? hmmmmm....did anyone see what just hit me? I like my light armor so far.....except is so GODy does EVERYTHING have to be gold???

So what I see with archer.....
1. decent armor - I am not gonna be tanking anything but I don't need to fear the random magic assault that blindsides me
2. good attack - Not nuking anything but should be enough to dent most mobs...atleast so far at my level
3. grinding and attack range - fastest time killing 60 mobs so far.

Sorry its late and I ramble....I know I am low level still but maybe some of this will spark an interest....and I can learn something or see it from a different perspective.

I am sure I can find things I would like......continued increased range would be awesome and my knockback working in PvP would be huge.

No one ever complains that Archers are lacking in PvE. In fact we are one of the most resourceful towards higher levels as we can tank quite a variety of bosses from range in LA and still pack quite a punch (fists or bows is up to you and is saved for another thread).

The problem is PvP. When people reach a certain level and start refining their gear, damage is dealt in forms of spikes. To negate spikes we need invulnerabilities type skills/genie spells and focussed resistance whether it is physical or magical.

For example, a gush crit followed by a sandstorm from a 100 wizard would probably kill you in LA. It won't happen if you're in Arcane due to the high resistance. It won't kill a HA either due to relatively high HP. Take Armageddon/Perdition from a barb as another example. LAs will die to it if it crits or if it's chained shortly by another high damaging skill. Arcanes won't really die because typical Arcane users have ways to acquire pdef buffs from their class. HA would brush it off as it's a physical damage. How do we survive as LAs? Timing of invulnerability skills or skills that negate damage tremendously.

Now you also have to consider that there are THREE pdef buffs in the game and only ONE mdef buff. Most classes can only acquire two pdef buffs but for a Wizard, they can stack all three buffs and hit HA type pdef. They naturally have very high mdef from Arcane. Coupled with the fact they hit like a 42 wheel truck. They have some ok controlling skills which makes them quite deadly. However they also require a lot of investment in gear.

When your BM hits higher levels you will quickly realise you can get quite some serious mdef and pdef. Low levels cannot be used as a benchmark which is why many low levels (Yulk included... his perspective is still stuck in low levels so I don't recommend any archer listen to what he has to say) counter the higher levels experience regarding why LA is such a bad armor type. Also do note as a BM you could hold a mob for quite a long time later on. PvP wise you also have the luxury of the same stunlock abilities, however getting to a ranged classed might prove somewhat challenging to some. Again almost every class is fine PvE and it's so depressing when someone says PvE is difficult, especially as an Archer.

Get a little further down the road and higher up in levels, participate in high level PvP (or theorycraft by knowing mechanics) and you shall quickly see how horrendous LA becomes and how far it pales in comparison to other armor types at those stages.

_Seadrop - Heavens Tear

IMPORTANT NOTE

GUYS IGNORE ALL WHAT YULK HAS SAID OR WILL SAY IN THE FUTURE FOR UR OWN SAKEb:angry

TigerLily - Lost City

bkloes wrote: »

I know this has been done 100 times but I am starting it again to get some quick feedback. It also might counter all the negativity. I am a relative noob since my highest toon is a 69BM....but I started an archer and am loving it. I am at 65 and I love the range and damage I do.

Ok....The breakdown. I think its accepted that archer does fine PvE? but the complaint comes PvP. I know girlfriend who is a psychic does more damage then me but I am constantly saving her butt cause she is squishier then I am. Also we talk about end game mages....but isn't that hard as hell to get to?

Looking at LA.....why do people say it sucks? Its basically ok at everything but not great at anything....Why is that so bad? My BM can grind easy on physical mobs to the point i almost fall asleep, but one magic attack goes wrong and I am looking at my toon going.....What? hmmmmm....did anyone see what just hit me? I like my light armor so far.....except is so GODy does EVERYTHING have to be gold???

So what I see with archer.....
1. decent armor - I am not gonna be tanking anything but I don't need to fear the random magic assault that blindsides me
2. good attack - Not nuking anything but should be enough to dent most mobs...atleast so far at my level
3. grinding and attack range - fastest time killing 60 mobs so far.

Sorry its late and I ramble....I know I am low level still but maybe some of this will spark an interest....and I can learn something or see it from a different perspective.

I am sure I can find things I would like......continued increased range would be awesome and my knockback working in PvP would be huge.

You dont understand because you're lvl 60/70...

Archers can 2 shoot barbs/BMs with metal at lvl 60/70 and other players will actually miss you half the time to <.<

Get 90/95+ when evasion stops working and go fight 1v1 against other classes with same gear/refines and you will get slightly frustrated.

You deal very low dmg unless you have a +10 bow and triple spark + crit. While half your health is gone from 1 spell or skill and they wont miss. You will drop pretty damn fast if you think you can tank more than 1-2 hits from any magic class. As soon as a BM has you stun locked you're practically dead - unless you have energy for absolute domain.

Archers is however one of the best pve-classes in the game, best ranged tank at higher levels and the best grind class just tab + auto shoot ftw. To bad no one grinds anymore b:cry.

Kristoph - Lost City

Getting out of stunlocks is quite easy even without domain, but you need a good genie for it. Most people are too stupid to try anything but domain though, so they usually die soon after using it unless they know how to play their class.


But yeah don't play an archer if you hate having to kite/run a lot. If 2 people decide to target you in mass pvp it's basically time to gtfo. Sometimes even 1 is enough. They're pretty similar to wizards... you need both money (gear/demon skills) and patience.

TigerLily - Lost City

Yeah you have a several choices to get out of stun - but they all include a genie. Expel to seal is pretty awesome against both sins and Bms that stuns you and also archers skill Stunning Blow to kite. Unlike wizards tho archers gets very limited by using expel since opponent gets phy immune, but at least you wont get 5 aps-ed and die before you charm even have time to tick <.<

If you're out of genie energy you're really fked in general as archer once you're stunned. Just spam the shortkey for WoG or 79 skill and pray for an opening between the stuns which rarely happens unless the Bm sucks <.<

Quilue - Sanctuary

the whole accuracy vs evasion **** is broken.

accuracy need to be removed, evasion need to be a skill that you level up (sins have it against magical and physical attacks, so why not?), and evasion ornaments should be changed to give 1/2 pdef, 1/2 mdef.

+Acc equipment should be changed to something else, give it +1 crit or something

Olba - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

+Acc equipment should be changed to something else, give it +1 crit or something

But what about the difference between +accuracy and +accuracy%? What about skills that give +accuracy%, such as Blood Bath and Demon Winged Blessing?

If you just changed all of them to 1% crit, you'd end up with Archers getting at least 3% more crit, potentially more.