Extra Phoenix Skills

Myai - Heavens Tear

I got my Herc and gave him bash and everything. Now it's time to plan for getting my Nix!

So the phoenix comes with Pounce, Blessing of the Pack and Claw and one free space. I was wondering if Pounce is worth keeping or if it would be better to replace it with an attack skill? And if I should put Bash in the already open slot.

There is also the Sacrifice skill I was wondering about...
"Lose 75% of current HP to inflict 400% of Pet's base physical damage to an enemy. "
It's a skill that's only available at level 80 but it seems good.

Are there any other legendary skills that would be good that I haven't mentioned? (I've already looked at all of them at Ecatomb, I just thought that Bloodthirst, Bloodhunger, Consume, and Devour seemed more like tanker skills to me)

Please don't flame me if this has already been talked about! I searched the forums awhile ago and saw nothing about it. b:surrender

Korren - Lost City

umm...

get bash(easier to hold aggro) if u dont PvP, or else get flesh reash instead.

Sacrifice isnt actually a good skill, it does deal high dmg, but taking away 75% HP is kinda risky. and the price for this skill is hahahaha..

do not remove any legendary skill on nix unless u know what u r doing and what u want ur nix to be..

tweakz

Agree with the above. 4x dmg from pet amounts to about 1 hit from you, it's also considerably slower than a normal attack on a Nix while leaving it hella vulnerable. Ream for PvP, Bash for PvE.

Brigid - Harshlands

Also, keep in mind that Pounce isn't just a stun. It's also an attack rate buff, which means it increases damage for a while.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »

Also, keep in mind that Pounce isn't just a stun. It's also an attack rate buff, which means it increases damage for a while.

Pounce gives a 25% attack speed increase for 15 sec with a 60 sec cooldown. That's a net 6.25% increase in DPS.

However, pet skills seem to require about 1.5 sec to cast. Losing 1.5 sec of damage out of every 60 sec is a 2.5% loss in DPS.

Net effect is only a 3.75% increase in DPS. That's pretty close to negligible.

I've kept it for the stun effect, but since I don't PvP I've been tempted to drop it for another skill. About the only time I really find it useful is on mini-bosses like Blackhole where I have to spam heal (my phoenix has Strong). The stun pauses their attacks long enough for me to toss in an Amp between heals.

When killing regular mobs, I frequently turn the skill off just so I don't have to deal with one mob suddenly taking longer to kill because the bird stunned it instead of pecked it to death in 5-8 seconds. For a vanilla phoenix, I suspect the reduction in damage the phoenix takes due to the target being stunned is a bigger deal than the extra damage it yields.

tweakz

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Net effect is only a 3.75% increase in DPS. That's pretty close to negligible.

That and the time is totally wasted if you get the 20% chance of fail. Nice for kiting mobs, but the cool down makes it nearly useless there too.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

You could try both in the free slot get bash and see how it works after you go after a few mobs try ream on them just get forget scroll for bash.You can always get buy back bash if you prefer it over ream.This is one way to compare the two of them.

I would replace any of the other skills especially since they cost a lot bash and ream are considerably cheap for pet skills.

Feruta - Heavens Tear

If you ever intend to pvp, you will want flesh ream as your fourth skill. As for Pounce, it is a rare skill so think very hard before deleting it. As a veno, you are short on stuns, so pounce comes in very handy during pvp. It's an additional stun for a class that has very few. However, if you don't ever intend to pvp, and want the nix solely for dps, then bash + ream would yield the best results. That being said, I still would not advise deleting pounce. It is a nice skill to have not only for pvp, but emergency situations where an additional stun may come in handy.

Nannako - Lost City

Feruta - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you ever intend to pvp, you will want flesh ream as your fourth skill. As for Pounce, it is a rare skill so think very hard before deleting it. As a veno, you are short on stuns, so pounce comes in very handy during pvp. It's an additional stun for a class that has very few. However, if you don't ever intend to pvp, and want the nix solely for dps, then bash + ream would yield the best results. That being said, I still would not advise deleting pounce. It is a nice skill to have not only for pvp, but emergency situations where an additional stun may come in handy.

I have to agree with Feruta. Even just for pve, having that extra few sec of stun will give you a chance to heal, pot, run away if you get into trouble with a mob. The duration of the stun from Lucky isnt very long so it just adds a bit of security for you.

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary

Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »

Super nix:
This is the ultimate mass PK nix (i.e. group PvP/TW). As I mentioned earlier, a nix is meant to Flesh Ream a target, then hang around surviving til Flesh Ream cools down. Replace Pounce and Blessing of the Pack with Strong and Protect, the herc's self buffs, and you have an unkillable nix. Yes, the nix will have less HP due to losing its Blessing of the Pack skill and yes, the nix will not be as useful in 1v1 PvP since it no longer has pounce. It will, however, take far, far less damage (i.e. roughly 60% of the damage it use to take unbuffed), meaning it will probably be harder to kill than you are. In a lagfest situation like TW where you don't always pay attention to the HP of your pet, this can make a huge difference.
~Desiree

Quoted from this post: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=7903812&postcount=25

I thought of this to be a sorta neat idea.
Comparing a lvl 90 nix with herc buffs to a herc:
The nix unbuffed has the same physical defense as an unbuffed herc, but more magic defense.

Unbuffed lvl 90 nix: 8,952 phys def. 10,742 magic def. Since strong and protect lvl 5 both increase the pet's phys and magic def by 150%, let's calculate that in.

8,952 x 1.5 = 13,428 phys def buffed
10,742 x 1.5 = 16,113 magic def buffed

Unbuffed herc at lvl 90: 8,952 phys def and 7,161 magic def

8,952 x 1.5 = 13, 428 phys def buffed
7,161 x 1.5 = 10,741.5 magic def buffed (nearly the same as a nix's magic def unbuffed)

Now if you read the above quote, you'll know that the person replaced pounce and blessing of the pack with these 2 skills. Ofc the nix wont be able to stun anymore, and it'll have less HP (3446 unbuffed) However it will have considerably better defenses. If you choose to do this, your nix could become your primary tank outside of dungeons where you have no choice but to pull out your herc.

Admante - Dreamweaver

Strong and Protect increase defense by a factor of 1.5 so you would multiply base defense by a base of 1 + 1.5 = 2.5. Your herc is even better than you thought b:cute

Feruta - Heavens Tear

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unbuffed lvl 90 nix: 8,952 phys def. 10,742 magic def. Since strong and protect lvl 5 both increase the pet's phys and magic def by 150%, let's calculate that in.

8,952 x 1.5 = 13,428 phys def buffed
10,742 x 1.5 = 16,113 magic def buffed

Unbuffed herc at lvl 90: 8,952 phys def and 7,161 magic def

8,952 x 1.5 = 13, 428 phys def buffed
7,161 x 1.5 = 10,741.5 magic def buffed (nearly the same as a nix's magic def unbuffed)

I get what you are saying, but your calculations are wrong.
Hercules buffs give an "additional" 150%. Correct calculations are as follows:

Phoenix
8,952 + (8,952 * 1.5) = 22,380 phys def buffed
10,742 + (10,742 * 1.5) = 26,855 magic def buffed

Hercules
8,952 + (8,952 * 1.5) = 22,380 phys def buffed
7,161 + (10,742 * 1.5) = 17,900 magic def buffed

EDIT: Dammit, ninja'd by Admante.

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary

Admante - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Strong and Protect increase defense by a factor of 1.5 so you would multiply base defense by a base of 1 + 1.5 = 2.5. Your herc is even better than you thought b:cute

wait? 150% is 1.5? or... 2.5? yea, i realize my calculations were wrong probably. but i guess i get the idea b:surrender (not that good at math... )

EDIT: OHHH... now i understand now that Feruta explained even further. You took the original def number added it by itself, then multiplied it by 1.5 fomula A + (A x = C?

kenlee

its 2.5 not 1.5

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

+150%

You've already GOT 100% of it.

So the total is 250% - or Which is x2.5

Hhlolz - Harshlands

Flesh ream(obviously)
Claw(i know a veno in HL that replaced strong for it..kinda fail tbh)
Protect(mages tend to 1 shot nixes alot)
Pounce(stun+increased attack speed is VERY useful in pvp)

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

I would like to know if flesh ream is ok to use on pve mobs and bosses.

Crescendia - Harshlands

If you're a vitality-build veno, Flesh Ream is pretty good. Now, if you're a pure magic-built, then you will probably not need it.

Desiree - Harshlands

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I would like to know if flesh ream is ok to use on pve mobs and bosses.

Flesh Ream is pretty bad in PvE, especially on [?] bosses. If you only PvE, use Bash. Its been proven that Bash is both better for dps and aggro.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Darn just when I went to put flesh ream on as I was thinking of bash.It is good thing it is only lvl 1.