DPS or DPH sin?

A_Noob - Dreamweaver

Dunkya - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How did you go about getting 200k+ rep A-Noob?

I farmed tt for about 2 weeks during double drops.

Islamey - Dreamweaver

Both probably works, and both can be perma sparked with sins skils (rising dragon strike, tackling slash, harmony)

Yes you could be both, but you'd lose some specialization. I think that the real decision between become DPH or DPS comes at the nirvana recast.
A DPH would try for Sac Assault and +Range on their weapon while DPS would try for x2 -int adds.
Imagine 70 attack level with triple spark and a sac assault hit :P

XWizz - Lost City

question already answered lol -_-

Qingzi - Harshlands

A_Noob - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you want both:

I noticed everyone's like "Wow, 5 aps". I'm more worried about the almost 268 mil exp neededb:cry

Okeano - Harshlands

Qingzi - Harshlands wrote: »

I noticed everyone's like "Wow, 5 aps". I'm more worried about the almost 268 mil exp neededb:cry

Yeah... to get to 102, which really is no point unless you do it just for the sake of doing it. There have been 2 lvl 102 on DW before hyper ever came out so it's not impossible if he really wants.

A_Noob - Dreamweaver

I could spend 50 hyper stones and 10 days to get it but no it's kinda pointless.

Ephemerai - Sanctuary

Spending time in FCC w/ hyper to hit 101 is pointless to me even.. 102 is just, ... wtf are you on!? x.x

Trawne - Lost City

Ephemerai - Sanctuary wrote: »

Spending time in FCC w/ hyper to hit 101 is pointless to me even.. 102 is just, ... wtf are you on!? x.x

getting to 101 makes all the sins that went to 100 not able to see him. i'd do it. 102 isnt really necessary atm though

A_Noob - Dreamweaver

it only took about 3 days (10 hours) in FC from 100 to 101.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Something you don't have lvl 10 chillb:surrender

Ephemerai - Sanctuary

Ehh that's still a lot of money spent on a level that I could just get slowly through dailies xD And maybe hypering on Nirvana first boss (about 1% for a little over 1 minute, counting the 1 min deduction you get from pausing/activating)

45.9% now after skipping tons of EXP related dailies (and I never get EXP for BH2, I always get Rep). Couldn't imagine spending that much time in FCC anymore; I'm pretty sick of that place D;

Oh & Sirrobert - I thought of that too, that's probably the only thing I can think of where his attack speed wouldn't go down as much. But he has 50 attack level (iirc), so not 100% sure.. not very familiar with genie skills like frenzy and such because I'd been too lazy to look at all the genie skills available x.x

Or maybe he's testing the demon skills (demon chill of the deep is supposed to reduce speed reduction to 70% or so isn't it?) xD

Trawne - Lost City

Ephemerai - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ehh that's still a lot of money spent on a level that I could just get slowly through dailies xD And maybe hypering on Nirvana first boss (about 1% for a little over 1 minute, counting the 1 min deduction you get from pausing/activating)

45.9% now after skipping tons of EXP related dailies (and I never get EXP for BH2, I always get Rep). Couldn't imagine spending that much time in FCC anymore; I'm pretty sick of that place D;

Oh & Sirrobert - I thought of that too, that's probably the only thing I can think of where his attack speed wouldn't go down as much. But he has 50 attack level (iirc), so not 100% sure.. not very familiar with genie skills like frenzy and such because I'd been too lazy to look at all the genie skills available x.x

Or maybe he's testing the demon skills (demon chill of the deep is supposed to reduce speed reduction to 70% or so isn't it?) xD

frenzy gives 20 levels. sage/demon skills arent out yet but only the sage one has a boost to attack levels (5 on CoD and 10 on raving slash). he had to have level 10 CoD

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

A_Noob - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you want both:

dmg near a +10 mage weapon
def of a lv75-80 cleric
mag def of......lv40? melee
crit of a archer
HP of a citrine cleric

I see BM buff on you too. Why is your mag and def so super low? Your DEF LV is 6 but because your base is so low...its not helping much
rage dmg says 200% did you take the screeny while sparking? and cant imagine how much you spent for attck LV50 unless its corresponding with the spark

A_Noob - Dreamweaver

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

dmg near a +10 mage weapon
def of a lv75-80 cleric
mag def of......lv40? melee
crit of a archer
HP of a citrine cleric

I see BM buff on you too. Why is your mag and def so super low? Your DEF LV is 6 but because your base is so low...its not helping much
rage dmg says 200% did you take the screeny while sparking? and cant imagine how much you spent for attck LV50 unless its corresponding with the spark

huh?

+10 magic weapon that gives 1 matk 12k p atk :O
cleric with 9k hp :O
BM buff where? :O

drugs are bad :O

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

A_Noob - Dreamweaver wrote: »

huh ?

if you dont understand it you should read it all, not just stop at the first 5 lines

EDIT* my bad that was barb attck buff

well on sanctuary we have clerics and other mages like that easy >.> and you still havnt answered some questions.

Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

dmg near a +10 mage weapon
def of a lv75-80 cleric
mag def of......lv40? melee
crit of a archer
HP of a citrine cleric

I see BM buff on you too. Why is your mag and def so super low? Your DEF LV is 6 but because your base is so low...its not helping much
rage dmg says 200% did you take the screeny while sparking? and cant imagine how much you spent for attck LV50 unless its corresponding with the spark

*sigh*

don't you see the frenzy buff deceptistar? that's the reason for the low stats.

rage damage is just the damage % you deal when you crit. your rage damage should be 200% also (like everyone else's) . . . only sins can get like 230 or w/e.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*sigh*

don't you see the frenzy buff deceptistar? that's the reason for the low stats.

rage damage is just the damage % you deal when you crit. your rage damage should be 200% also (like everyone else's) . . . only sins can get like 230 or w/e.

so in other words its a spit second screeny?

hmm nvm then, i was more intersted in the base.
(rusty forum lurker here. havnt posted in a good 1 month or 2)

Trawne - Lost City

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

so in other words its a spit second screeny?

hmm nvm then, i was more intersted in the base.

thats his damage for 15 seconds. after which he has the chi to do it again. for 8 of those seconds he has 50 attack levels. for the rest he has 30. he'll also have higher defenses after those 8 seconds.

his patt is with demon spark on. and it's more in line with a +11 wand

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

thats his damage for 15 seconds. after which he has the chi to do it again. for 8 of those seconds he has 50 attack levels. for the rest he has 30. he'll also have higher defenses after those 8 seconds.

his patt is with demon spark on. and it's more in lone with a +11 wand

ahh ty for the clear up.

....i wonder if rose feels as rusty as i am...

A_Noob - Dreamweaver

when i use a wand i only have like 1k p atk, but it's still fun to kill people with it.

Trawne - Lost City

A_Noob - Dreamweaver wrote: »

when i use a wand i only have like 1k p atk, but it's still fun to kill people with it.

lol we're referring to your patt being the same as the matt of a wiz/cleric with pure magic and a +10/11 lunar wand. which is pretty crazy b:surrender

IE: my wizard with +10 lunar wand has 12k Matt before sparking

Islamey - Dreamweaver

Dangit A_Noob you're distracting everyone =<. Quit nick-picking his stats and discuss the topic people x.x.

The reason I advocate DPH over DPS is because the a CoD Assassin is like the physical counter-part to the wizard.
Wizards one-shot HA.
Sins one-shot AA and mebbe LA.
There are archers and bms for DPS. Why not fill the role of a physical DPH?

I know people make the argument that DPS **** everything, but why not change up the perspective a bit and look at the role Assassin was intended to fill rather than turn every character you can get your hands on into a 5APS DPS.
After all, noone trashes end-game wizards for not being able to DPS. They're feared for their DPH, I would like to see someone elevate the Assassin to the same level.

Yes, this argument has a lot of holes in it, and anyone who favors DPS will pick it apart, but I'm just trying to bring some new lines of thought into the debate.

A_Noob - Dreamweaver

if sins are meant to one shot people, we wouldn't be using the second lowest dph weapons.

Nexdonuum - Lost City

I personally like DPS over DPH, but I like balance even more than either (lol a sin talking about balance, funny yeah xP ) so I'll be trying to casually bring myself up to those lines.


@A_Noob ****ing insane stats. I envy your character (and your dedication to creating such a beast).


b:victory

Trawne - Lost City

Islamey - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Dangit A_Noob you're distracting everyone =<. Quit nick-picking his stats and discuss the topic people x.x.

The reason I advocate DPH over DPS is because the a CoD Assassin is like the physical counter-part to the wizard.
Wizards one-shot HA.
Sins one-shot AA and mebbe LA.
There are archers and bms for DPS. Why not fill the role of a physical DPH?

I know people make the argument that DPS **** everything, but why not change up the perspective a bit and look at the role Assassin was intended to fill rather than turn every character you can get your hands on into a 5APS DPS.
After all, noone trashes end-game wizards for not being able to DPS. They're feared for their DPH, I would like to see someone elevate the Assassin to the same level.

Yes, this argument has a lot of holes in it, and anyone who favors DPS will pick it apart, but I'm just trying to bring some new lines of thought into the debate.

only fists have lesser DPH than us. Bows have the highest. By your since Archers really are the DPH class. axes also have high DPH allowing BM's to go either way.

CoD does allow sins to make somewhat of a choice. but end game AA players are not going to be 1 shots.