Free game? From when? [Prices and so on.]

ilnoob

Hi,
I play this game from about 1 year ago, and now, near to lvl 90, I'm asking around how make coins.
I've also a veno with herc, but after 2x, tt mats are so cheap.
I tried to earn money buyin/resellin, but the only thing I've earned, after 1 month tryin to do it, is that I've lost 500k. -.-''

Patience, ppl says patience.

Btw, I think we couldnt be patient, with gold price rising up (do u remember when golds were at 120,130k each one, and tt gold mats were from 2mil to 35-40?) and tt mats prices goin down.
After all, with packs, ppl can have some gears, too much expensive to buy (about 50-60 mil for a cape... -.-'') but almost a "must" to have.

So which is the way to make coins without spending real money in the game, without time to grind, without soloing tts (cuz aint that good NOW), and without buying/reselling? ^.^

Use ur **** and fail gear. Dont lvl up ur skills, and so on.

Uhm, is this really a free game?
Free means that all ppl can be almost at the same lvl, not that who's rich in RL could have more than who's poor.


Well, after all, ppl has known that 2x drops will come out another time, so tt mats prices are still low..but why ppl doesnt know that packs will come out another time? xD
We'll have packs always, and sometimes 2x drops.
So, I'd like to purpose 2 things:
1) decrease golds price, to 200k each one, and raise tt mats price to the normal old price (gba 1-1.2 mil for example)
or
2) decrease golds price to 100-130k each one, and tt mats price could be the same as now.

Time ago, venos bought herc to MAKE MONEY. now a veno buy herc, to be a good veno. O_O
For example, now I'd like to get a nix, but I've only 9 mil in bank, and no way to make more coins, if I dont wanna lose my life in front of a pc, or, as Solandri said, find a work, to invest my money in a game.

when golds was 200k for example, and a gba 1 mil, soloing a tt 3-1 for a veno, sounded as repair 5$, spending about 3 hours of her time. Ofc aint that good, but at least was good and ppl loved to play.
Now, soloing a 3-1, with gba 500k, and gold 420-440k, 3 hours spent on the game means 1$ repaired. Is this a good thing? Is this a free game? Or just a waste of time, cuz when u'll be 90+ u cant do anything that need good gear? Also if u spent ur time on the game to lvl up, and try to make all coins u can?

- Time ago I spoke with a veno, she said that she payed her +10 and her vit stones, all soloing tts. Now it sounds like impossible.
Time ago buying herc paying 180$ means make coins for all the life playin game few hours every day, now if u wanna herc u must pay 180$, and u wont get anything from game that could repay it.
If u really wanna spend 180$, with these prices, u could buy all ur tt 99 gold, and gems to shard it and orbs to refine it. easier than get herc and start run tts to get mats needed or coins.
Is this funny? -

Greetings,
J.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

I didn't read the entire post, however I think I get your point. Here's the thing... PWI is free to play, but if you want to have good gear, or anything down that line - chances are your going to pay with real life money. Yes, you can farm 3-2/3-3/Nirvana, and merchant... However for everything there, you must be lvl 95+ generally (lvl 100 for Nirvana). You can Mercant at any lvl, however it takes a lot of "smarts" with the economy. Most people don't understand the world's economy, much less PWI's.

Nakhimov - Lost City

Free to pay, play to win. Sad but true. b:surrender

Jennalicious - Sanctuary

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

Free to pay, play to win. Sad but true. b:surrender

Free to play, pay to win.

^Fixed^

axt57

You're doing it wrong.

This tiger pack sale - I initially invested about 70m into it.

I estimate I have made about 260m just from this sale alone - having nearly quadrupled the amount of money I invested into the gold some 4 weeks ago.

In all that time I have spent exactly $0.00.

Jennalicious - Sanctuary

axt57 wrote: »

You're doing it wrong.

This tiger pack sale - I initially invested about 70m into it.

I estimate I have made about 260m just from this sale alone - having nearly quadrupled the amount of money I invested into the gold just 3 weeks ago.

In all that time I have spent exactly $0.00.

That only works if you have your own computer where you can run it 24/7 while in cat shop mode. Some, or most, of us are on shared computers and can't do that.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

axt57 wrote: »

You're doing it wrong.

This tiger pack sale - I initially invested about 70m into it.

I estimate I have made about 260m just from this sale alone - having nearly quadrupled the amount of money I invested into the gold some 4 weeks ago.

In all that time I have spent exactly $0.00.

Yeah I know, it can be very profitable. However, "most" of the community doesn't know how to merchant like this. I do, but only because I've been in the whole PWI community since nearly the beginning. Also, most people were making profits previously by farming TTs (1-3, 2-2, 2-3, and 3-1). Now only 3-2 and 3-3 will give ya a good profit, and the only people than can do this are lvl 95+ generally.

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

r u kidding me... $160 will give u a herc time ago, not 180 b:chuckle

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »

That only works if you have your own computer where you can run it 24/7 while in cat shop mode. Some, or most, of us are on shared computers and can't do that.

I never ever left my computer on running in cat shop. I used the auction house for my sales and still made tons of cash merchanting. Hell, even after the 5% tax, I could (not sure about now) make 10m off dragon orbs each sale. Factor in some JJ sales (fruit, shards, food) a long time ago, and you can still easily merchant without using catshop.

NatureLover - Harshlands

ilnoob wrote: »

Uhm, is this really a free game?
Free means that all ppl can be almost at the same lvl, not that who's rich in RL could have more than

who's poor.


Well, after all, ppl has known that 2x drops will come out another time, so tt mats prices are still

low..but why ppl doesnt know that packs will come out another time? xD
We'll have packs always, and sometimes 2x drops.
So, I'd like to purpose 2 things:
1) decrease golds price, to 200k each one, and raise tt mats price to the normal old price (gba 1-1.2

mil for example)
or
2) decrease golds price to 100-130k each one, and tt mats price could be the same as now.

Not gonna happen anymore. Gold prices will not decrease to 200k during pack sales unless majority of the server, including non-cashshopper got their full event gears. TT mats prices will NOT go back to old prices because there are too many high level herc veno, also greedy for coins, most of which, especially those who fail at merchanting, spams TT. Just an analogy, in the past there's 30 9x veno farming TT3-1 now there's like 200+? Too much supply of TTmats to go back to normal prices.

For ur second suggestion, also not gonna happen, because as soon as gold price drops to 190k, they get bought off to buy hammer used open chest of coins.

And just a side note, i dont think PW makes TT just so veno with herc uses it to earn money. Its created for people to farm up their gears, not for the greedy to earn their coins. The current prices should be the "normal prices". Seriously, isnt it quite ridiculous you need to spend 2mil on a green mat, which people takes 15+hrs to grind?

As to how you can make money in the current situation, merchanting is most efficient way now, though earning rate also slows down considerably compared to the past. Doing the right way, you can earn mils of coins like some show-offs in the forums says. Its true, but no-one gonna tell you exactly how, because if we show here, the whole lots of greedy people who cant think of their own way will do the exact same method, creating competition, and make everyone worse off. You need to think of a set of item to merchant, different from everyone else, yet the items gotta be of demand. They get copied quickly, then u need to think of something else. Its either you find urself a new market, or you have to beat the current market to actually earn coins.

Besides merchanting, which u need some brains to work, there's no other natural grinding way to earn coins, especially for people who dont want to afford real money or time. Face it, with hyper stone, everyone can easily get to high level, and everyone wants money. Brainless things like farming regular mats, TT-mats, regular grinding etc are not going to help you because majority of the lazy brainless people can also do this. If you cant think of a way yourself, it makes you no different from these people.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

Yeah like I said up above... The only TTs with mats that create a profit when selling are in 3-2 and 3-3. The majority of players will not do 3-2 and 3-3 runs do to being "scared". Also it's a very high lvl instance (Normally 95+). Most veno's with hercs can't solo TT 3-2/3-3 as well. Gold mats in those instances will give you a lot as well. Illusion stone = 23-25m. Runs take a long time even with awesome squads on a general basis.

All other TTs are purely there to get gear now. There is no point in running them for any other purpose besides gear nowadays (Minus 3-2/3-3).

NatureLover - Harshlands

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah like I said up above... The only TTs with mats that create a profit when selling are in 3-2 and 3-3. The majority of players will not do 3-2 and 3-3 runs do to being "scared". Also it's a very high lvl instance (Normally 95+). Most veno's with hercs can't solo TT 3-2/3-3 as well. Gold mats in those instances will give you a lot as well. Illusion stone = 23-25m. Runs take a long time even with awesome squads on a general basis.

All other TTs are purely there to get gear now. There is no point in running them for any other purpose besides gear nowadays (Minus 3-2/3-3).

Agreed with this as well.

To original poster, if you can solo TT3-2, TT3-3, or any other difficult instances, you can still make some money, but the only mats I think is worthy are the gold mats, and Tsu Ghost Mask. Takes some time to learn how to solo it, and probably some exp loss cuz you die a few times trying to experiment it. But if can suceed in solo-ing this while others cant, it makes you different from the rest, and thats also how u can earn your money.

Its tough, I dont do it too, but I do know some veno who can.

Alliptica - Raging Tide

man your lucky your a 9x veno witha herc while the rest of us just farm regular mats so we can sell it to those catshops b:sad or at least thats what i do b:chuckle

Zikai - Heavens Tear

Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »

axt57 wrote: »

You're doing it wrong.

This tiger pack sale - I initially invested about 70m into it.

I estimate I have made about 260m just from this sale alone - having nearly quadrupled the amount of money I invested into the gold some 4 weeks ago.

In all that time I have spent exactly $0.00.

That only works if you have your own computer where you can run it 24/7 while in cat shop mode. Some, or most, of us are on shared computers and can't do that.

Not only that, but you'd have to have the 70mil initially to invest. The problem is also obtaining that 70 mil if we're starting from scratch =]

Nakhimov - Lost City

Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »

Free to play, pay to win.

^Fixed^

Thanks for that, had a dyslexic moment. But there are always the people saying "you can make good money if you merchant!11"; to that I say, I play this game to play. Not to buy/sell stocks. I have to handle my finances IRL, and I have no intention whatsoever of doing that in game as well. It just isn't fun and that's why I play games in the first place.

NightRage - Raging Tide

ilnoob wrote: »

Unintelligible stuff

Uhm, is this really a free game?
Free means that all ppl can be almost at the same lvl, not that who's rich in RL could have more than who's poor.


More unintelligible stuff

Incorrect.

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary

NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »

ilnoob wrote:

Unintelligible stuff

Uhm, is this really a free game?
Free means that all ppl can be almost at the same lvl, not that who's rich in RL could have more than who's poor.


More unintelligible stuff

Incorrect.

+1

Free means you do not have to pay a monthly fee to play the game. It does NOT mean what you said at all, althouhg nice of you to wish that's what it did mean!

PlumDumb - Heavens Tear

i ratehr spend time on a herb/mat route than grinding my hp/mp away anyday.In 30 min i can make 300k+ depending on sale.

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

PlumDumb - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i ratehr spend time on a herb/mat route than grinding my hp/mp away anyday.In 30 min i can make 300k+ depending on sale.

That 300k isn't enough for higher end gear though b:surrender.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Zikai - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not only that, but you'd have to have the 70mil initially to invest. The problem is also obtaining that 70 mil if we're starting from scratch =]

That's actually not that hard. Having the knowledge, experience and (perhaps most importantly) self-control necessary to be successful at trading is a lot more valuable than having any sort of starting capital.

Starting from nothing, it takes about 1 week to generate 1 million. That's more than enough to get started in some aspect of Pack/Token trading, which should be able to bring in 350k-500k per day. 10 million in the first month isn't at all difficult if you've got the knowledge, and once you reach the magic number that lets you buy 45 Gold you're on your way to a fairly easy 3-4 million per day.

So why isn't everybody doing this? Because at some point every financial scheme fails somehow. I've had countless failures where I did something dumb and lost tons of coins (EDIT - Also, times where I've done something smart but it failed anyway). I've learned the hard way that today's easy money is tomorrow's, "Ha ha ha! Look at that dummy stuck with 600 Coral packs nobody wants!"

The difference between the people who succeed and the ones who fail is whether or not they adapt. The market constantly shifts, and while it's not really all that difficult to figure out, the problem is that just as you think you figure it out it shifts again.

If you stay on top of it by treating failures as learning experiences, experimenting, and making a genuine effort to make sense of why things are the way they are, then you're pretty much set. It won't really matter how much capital you have because you'll always be earning more than you spend. But meanwhile, a player that has 70 million they invest poorly is just going to be somebody who has less than 70 million a month later, coupled with a belief that somehow the game must be broken.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Fundamentally, there is no "easy" way to make money ("easy" meaning either enjoyable and/or not complicated). If there were an easy way to make money, everyone would be doing it. And once everyone starts doing it, it ceases to be a good source of money. TT mats used to be a good, easy way to make money. Double drops made it even easier. Then everyone started doing it, and now most of the mats sell for very little.

That is why all these ways people dream up to make it "easier to make money" are guaranteed to fail. Coin in and of itself doesn't have value. Coin represents luck or effort put into the game, and it is those properties which have value. If you make it easier to acquire coin without changing the amount of effort needed, all that will happen is that the coin will become worth less. That's why increasing drops doesn't work, and why schemes to force the price of gold down are destined to fail.

Merchanting is good for making money because most people can't or hate to merchant, even though there's a great demand for it. For the life of me I can't figure out why people would buy packs or phoenix feathers/source of force from a cat shop when they can just take the coin to the auctioneer, change it to gold, and buy those items for less. But it seems a majority of people just can't bother themselves to put in that tiny modicum of effort to save themselves some money, and instead pay the merchants for the convenience of instant gratification. Likewise, most people don't want to put in the effort to learn market prices, meaning they buy stuff at above market price and sell stuff at below market price, costing them money.

Aside from luck, you cannot make more money without putting in more effort. That's what the old adage that "money doesn't grow on trees" means.

I'll also add that unless you PvP, why do you care what other people have? An MMORPG is just a game where you go out and bash mobs, level, and go bash different mobs which have the same skins but slightly better stats. Stop thinking of the game as a competition with other people. Think of it as a competition with yourself. Set an attainable goal for yourself, then work to achieve it.

Who cares if someone else has TT80 armor with 4 sockets and immaculate citrines. In the vast majority of cases, you're not going to be competing with him. If your goal is to gather TT80 mats to make your TT80 armor, then focus on that and congratulate yourself when you achieve it. Stop measuring your self-worth based on what other people think. Start measuring it based on what you think. If you don't think of a game as a competition with others to get the best gear, and you can find a faction which thinks the same way, this game is perfectly fun to play for free.

Zikai - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not only that, but you'd have to have the 70mil initially to invest. The problem is also obtaining that 70 mil if we're starting from scratch =]

Obtaining 70 mil is no different from obtaining 7 mil, or 700k. You have to start somewhere. If all you do is sit around complaining how you don't have 70 mil, then you will never get 70 mil. First you figure out a way to get 700k. Then you leverage it through trades until you get to 7 mill. Then you just do the same thing with more money to get to70 mil.

Trying to do something does not guarantee success. But not trying guarantees you'll fail.

Tojop - Dreamweaver

ilnoob wrote: »

So which is the way to make coins without spending real money in the game, without time to grind, without soloing tts (cuz aint that good NOW), and without buying/reselling? ^.^

Um. I guess you could just ask for donations on the forums. But yeah, I don't even know how to respond to this. Would you prefer things were just given to you? I'm confused b:surrender

Edit: Just read Solandri's post, and his is way more useful than mine. He's a fountain of wisdom, kids; grab a notebook.

tweakz

Ask most divorcees why their marriage failed, and they'll blame the other.

Sorry, but there are many successful non cash shoppers. Do we consider that the cash shoppers that work for a living are at a disadvantage because they have less time to merchant, grind, quest, etc?

Suck it up and take responsibility for your own failure, or continue failing to learn from your experience.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Believe in karma? It just bit them greedy kiddies in the butt. It would of all been avoided if trading from coins to gold weren't implemented in the first place. Boutique items trade-able? Nice. Gold being bought from ingame coins? fail.

Terrible mistake from the devs, now free stingy players are unhappy about the gold raising. Normally I really don't care about getting stuff for FREE. Just be happy that your playing and just try buying from other players instead if you don't wish to buy with real money. Not that hard

Michael_Dark - Lost City

ilnoob wrote: »

If u really wanna spend 180$, with these prices, u could buy all ur tt 99 gold, and gems to shard it and orbs to refine it. easier than get herc and start run tts to get mats needed or coins.

Actually $180 would not buy you a full set of TT99, nor would you have anything left over or any money to shard it.

Chest = 60m
Pants = 25m
Boots = 30m
Wrists = 15m

Set = 130m

Gold =420k-ish

About $300 to buy a full set of TT99.

I farmed my chest and pants, as well as my Nirvana pants, but I did chip my wrists... I have event helm/boots so those were not needed.

Getting a party together and farming 3-3 regularly is the best way to get your TT99. But it does take time and it could take you a few months (without 2x drops) to get all your mats.

ilnoob

uhm, maybe too much ppl hasnt understood what's my point of view.

When I buy things, I look for them in wc, or watching all catshops in archosaur, and AH.
After this, I buy from where I've found the lowest price.

- According to me, and my phylosophy about life, all people could be clever, and do what I do. -

So,
as I can go around looking for the lowest price, so everyone can do this.
Following my theory, all ppl that buy things at high price, when they can find them for less, is idiot. ^^''

- Always phylosophy: if there's not a theory or a system that could explain a thing, that thing is contingent, could happen and couldnt happen at same time. -

So,
Merchanting aint a safe way to make coins. All depends on how much isnt clever who sells at low price and who buys at high price.

After all, Freedom means Egalit

axt57

ilnoob wrote: »

uhm, maybe too much ppl hasnt understood what's my point of view.

When I buy things, I look for them in wc, or watching all catshops in archosaur, and AH.
After this, I buy from where I've found the lowest price.

- According to me, and my phylosophy about life, all people could be clever, and do what I do. -

So,
as I can go around looking for the lowest price, so everyone can do this.
Following my theory, all ppl that buy things at high price, when they can find them for less, is idiot. ^^''

- Always phylosophy: if there's not a theory or a system that could explain a thing, that thing is contingent, could happen and couldnt happen at same time. -

So,
Merchanting aint a safe way to make coins. All depends on how much isnt clever who sells at low price and who buys at high price.

After all, Freedom means Egalit

Well you better start thinking on correcting your philosophies, because people in general are very stupid when it comes to money, and its very easy to make them overpay on pretty much everything. I know this because I use it to make hundreds of millions - there is no argument; its just a fact.

Most people will read the above comment and think that it doesn't affect them, that they are safe with their money. You're not - don't fool yourself. I guarantee that you have been overcharged at least once within the last week.

_Pale - Sanctuary

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I didn't read the entire post, however I think I get your point. Here's the thing... PWI is free to play, but if you want to have good gear, or anything down that line - chances are your going to pay with real life money. Yes, you can farm 3-2/3-3/Nirvana, and merchant... However for everything there, you must be lvl 95+ generally (lvl 100 for Nirvana). You can Mercant at any lvl, however it takes a lot of "smarts" with the economy. Most people don't understand the world's economy, much less PWI's.

Free to play, pay to win
you don't need best equips,
It's only fair that people who pay get something for it,
They pay for your free game
yada yada yada....

On the other hand:
LIFE is free; you pay to win. If you don't wanna pay for it, you're a loser.
If you have the money to buy your stuff in life you have a better start. It all depends on how you play, gears/ stuff only make little difference.
Rich people in life make it possible for you to enjoy a life where you live for free.
We all have costs, don't wine about them.
Either pay to win, or suck it up and work for it.
If you don't have the money to win, then too bad.

See what I did there? b:cute

Perfect World isn't that far off from the best game ever: In Real Life, available just outside your door. Sysytem requirements: none

Borsuc - Raging Tide

_Pale - Sanctuary wrote: »

On the other hand:
LIFE is free; you pay to win. If you don't wanna pay for it, you're a loser.
If you have the money to buy your stuff in life you have a better start. It all depends on how you play, gears/ stuff only make little difference.
Rich people in life make it possible for you to enjoy a life where you live for free.
We all have costs, don't wine about them.
Either pay to win, or suck it up and work for it.
If you don't have the money to win, then too bad.

I'm playing video games for entertainment, and to get away from real-life ijs.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

ilnoob wrote: »

Hi,
I play this game from about 1 year ago, and now, near to lvl 90, I'm asking around how make coins.
I've also a veno with herc, but after 2x, tt mats are so cheap.
I tried to earn money buyin/resellin, but the only thing I've earned, after 1 month tryin to do it, is that I've lost 500k. -.-''

Patience, ppl says patience.

Btw, I think we couldnt be patient, with gold price rising up (do u remember when golds were at 120,130k each one, and tt gold mats were from 2mil to 35-40?) and tt mats prices goin down.
After all, with packs, ppl can have some gears, too much expensive to buy (about 50-60 mil for a cape... -.-'') but almost a "must" to have.

So which is the way to make coins without spending real money in the game, without time to grind, without soloing tts (cuz aint that good NOW), and without buying/reselling? ^.^

Use ur **** and fail gear. Dont lvl up ur skills, and so on.

Uhm, is this really a free game?
Free means that all ppl can be almost at the same lvl, not that who's rich in RL could have more than who's poor.


Well, after all, ppl has known that 2x drops will come out another time, so tt mats prices are still low..but why ppl doesnt know that packs will come out another time? xD
We'll have packs always, and sometimes 2x drops.
So, I'd like to purpose 2 things:
1) decrease golds price, to 200k each one, and raise tt mats price to the normal old price (gba 1-1.2 mil for example)
or
2) decrease golds price to 100-130k each one, and tt mats price could be the same as now.

Time ago, venos bought herc to MAKE MONEY. now a veno buy herc, to be a good veno. O_O
For example, now I'd like to get a nix, but I've only 9 mil in bank, and no way to make more coins, if I dont wanna lose my life in front of a pc, or, as Solandri said, find a work, to invest my money in a game.

when golds was 200k for example, and a gba 1 mil, soloing a tt 3-1 for a veno, sounded as repair 5$, spending about 3 hours of her time. Ofc aint that good, but at least was good and ppl loved to play.
Now, soloing a 3-1, with gba 500k, and gold 420-440k, 3 hours spent on the game means 1$ repaired. Is this a good thing? Is this a free game? Or just a waste of time, cuz when u'll be 90+ u cant do anything that need good gear? Also if u spent ur time on the game to lvl up, and try to make all coins u can?

- Time ago I spoke with a veno, she said that she payed her +10 and her vit stones, all soloing tts. Now it sounds like impossible.
Time ago buying herc paying 180$ means make coins for all the life playin game few hours every day, now if u wanna herc u must pay 180$, and u wont get anything from game that could repay it.
If u really wanna spend 180$, with these prices, u could buy all ur tt 99 gold, and gems to shard it and orbs to refine it. easier than get herc and start run tts to get mats needed or coins.
Is this funny? -

Greetings,
J.

Here is the thing... who are you to decide whats the "normal" gold or mat price. And if you really want to make some money go level to 89 and farm hell for herbs/mats. I personally am buying 5-10 million worth of herbs at center of 1k on any given day. And 1 hour of farming (on a good route) could easily net you over 1 mil by selling to my shops. And I actually do check price of those lesser cats around me to make sure I am ALWAYS buying at equal or higher price.
Can't say for the other servers... but I am quiet sure there are cat shops buying herbs just like HT.

Thedarkrealm - Lost City

TL;DR

I make 80-85% of all my coin grinding, its just enough to keep me doing bh/cs/repairs and even with that some times I have to not do crazystone or skip BH and if you want coin without grinding or spending real money I dont know how you'd be able to make anything worth while like that