Sage or Demon???

Ninnuam - Sanctuary
Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Cleric
Discuss.b:laugh
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Search.

    10char
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  • yashino
    yashino Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Massive cash shoppers wont care whether they're hell or sage
    oh wait i think they do, The Prettier Color Red vs. Pink.
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    ^me

    already quit pwi, and yet my gears are still superior than 95% of you people.
  • Strife_son - Sanctuary
    Strife_son - Sanctuary Posts: 1,217 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    This is the second sage vs demon cleric thread you've started >.>
  • yashino
    yashino Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    i should totally make a thread Red vs. Pink thread.
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    ^me

    already quit pwi, and yet my gears are still superior than 95% of you people.
  • Reichle - Sanctuary
    Reichle - Sanctuary Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is the second sage vs demon cleric thread you've started >.>

    LMAO. I think it's more fitting for a cleric to go sage. Makes them more cleric-y. Going demon would make them more DD-y. I'm going sage :3
    Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>

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  • yashino
    yashino Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LMAO. I think it's more fitting for a cleric to go sage. Makes them more cleric-y. Going demon would make them more DD-y. I'm going sage :3

    simple-minded.
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    ^me

    already quit pwi, and yet my gears are still superior than 95% of you people.
  • SerenityMare - Dreamweaver
    SerenityMare - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,211 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    This is like the 3rd or 4th thread about Sage vs. Demon I've seen.


    I'm scared now. D:
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  • tukiyem
    tukiyem Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Search.

    10char

    +1 on this
  • Reichle - Sanctuary
    Reichle - Sanctuary Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    yashino wrote: »
    simple-minded.

    What a troll. Am I supposed to have some long-winded, perfectly calculated reason for going sage/demon? Because in the end, it all comes down to what your preference is. If you like healing, go sage, if you like DD-ing, go demon.
    Sheesh, some people >.>
    Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>

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  • Lylfo - Dreamweaver
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What a troll. Am I supposed to have some long-winded, perfectly calculated reason for going sage/demon? Because in the end, it all comes down to what your preference is. If you like healing, go sage, if you like DD-ing, go demon.
    Sheesh, some people >.>

    A demon cleric can heal as well as a sage cleric if you know what you are doing. A sage cleric can out-dd a demon cleric if he/she knows what they are doing.

    Reasons :
    1. Demon SoR is significantly stronger than sage SoR.
    2. Demon IH is just 10% weaker than sage IH. Most of the time, the 10% is wasted on overstacking IH and so on. In other words, we do not need that extra 10% healing most of the time.
    3. Demon can use spirit's gift to improve amount healed.
    4. Sage can build chi much faster than a demon -> more triple sparks ->more damage
    5. Metal mastery for sage, at end game is significantly stronger than demon's.
    6. Sage can use magic shell to improve channeling speed.

    I'm not saying one path is better than the other but if you choose it purely based on "one heals better and the other DD better", think again.
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    btw.. to correct
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Reasons :
    1. Demon SoR is significantly stronger than sage SoR.
    nope.. same power. just demon has 100% def boost tho (sage's 11 Vanguard has same effect)
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    2. Demon IH is just 10% weaker than sage IH. Most of the time, the 10% is wasted on overstacking IH and so on. In other words, we do not need that extra 10% healing most of the time.
    it s about emm ~20% difference
    and argument that something heal too strong is just.. ehh.. heal less maybe?
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    3. Demon can use spirit's gift to improve amount healed.
    4. Sage can build chi much faster than a demon -> more triple sparks ->more damage
    5. Metal mastery for sage, at end game is significantly stronger than demon's.
    6. Sage can use magic shell to improve channeling speed.

    I'm not saying one path is better than the other but if you choose it purely based on "one heals better and the other DD better", think again.

    anyway, yea- it pretty much evens out
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  • Lylfo - Dreamweaver
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    btw.. to correct


    nope.. same power. just demon has 100% def boost tho (sage's 11 Vanguard has same effect)


    it s about emm ~20% difference
    and argument that something heal too strong is just.. ehh.. heal less maybe?



    anyway, yea- it pretty much evens out

    b:infuriatedb:lipcurlb:lipcurl

    If you wana cast vanguard spirit....i can cast spirit's gift before casting SoR...then , which is stronger?

    Heals too much argument might not be a strong one but thats the trend and the truth is, even level 10 IH is good enough. The sage/demon version is much better than that.
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Heals too much argument might not be a strong one but thats the trend and the truth is, even level 10 IH is good enough. The sage/demon version is much better than that.

    'heals to much' isnt even argument.. it s just.. stupid..
    what does that mean anyway? that ur 10 ih is so strong that u will outheal any dmg if not one-shot? like- really? nobody ever died under ur stacked ihs?


    and if u afraid of wasting 'healing power' then heal less maybe?
    geez, why u went pure mag anyway? i sugest buying reset scroll and go LA, cuz u may 'heal too much' with ur 450 mag points b:surrender


    and it s not any trend or any truth o0 dunno where u get that from..
    t s like convincing some DD class to not get better weapon, or more str/dex points cuz he will DD too much
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  • Lylfo - Dreamweaver
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    'heals to much' isnt even argument.. it s just.. stupid..
    what does that mean anyway? that ur 10 ih is so strong that u will outheal any dmg if not one-shot? like- really? nobody ever died under ur stacked ihs?


    and if u afraid of wasting 'healing power' then heal less maybe?
    geez, why u went pure mag anyway? i sugest buying reset scroll and go LA, cuz u may 'heal too much' with ur 450 mag points b:surrender


    and it s not any trend or any truth o0 dunno where u get that from..
    t s like convincing some DD class to not get better weapon, or more str/dex points cuz he will DD too much

    Its along the same line as why don't you BB during a weak boss? Or why don't you use SoR when healing someone with 1000 max hp.
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Its along the same line as why don't you BB during a weak boss? Or why don't you use SoR when healing someone with 1000 max hp.

    ..or that you need more healing power to do 'hard boss'?

    again, never anyone died under ur healing?

    or is there some formula that 'to win game as cleric' u need for example: 10IH and 8k mag. att and everything above will 'heal too much' and gonna be waste, cuz u already can outheal everything? =o


    just quit that argument b:surrender

    i understand when someone say that 'for his purposes this and that is enough.'

    but when i hear that somethnig is waste cuz (omg?) will heal too much then i really dunno what to say.
    or no, i know - i will seriously suggest to get that asap, cuz with that all enormous surplus of healing power your tanks will become invincible and you will prolly be able to outheal oneshots lol
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  • Lylfo - Dreamweaver
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ..or that you need more healing power to do 'hard boss'?

    again, never anyone died under ur healing?

    or is there some formula that 'to win game as cleric' u need for example: 10IH and 8k mag. att and everything above will 'heal too much' and gonna be waste, cuz u already can outheal everything? =o


    just quit that argument b:surrender

    i understand when someone say that 'for his purposes this and that is enough.'

    but when i hear that somethnig is waste cuz (omg?) will heal too much then i really dunno what to say.
    or no, i know - i will seriously suggest to get that asap, cuz with that all enormous surplus of healing power your tanks will become invincible and you will prolly be able to outheal oneshots lol

    Then don't complain when i BB on Qingzi. b:cute
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    im gonna show u my razor feathers again when i meet ya b:lipcurl
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  • Qingzi - Harshlands
    Qingzi - Harshlands Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Then don't complain when i BB on Qingzi. b:cute

    What did I do now?b:avoid
  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Discuss.b:laugh

    Reroll your cleric with the opposite cultivation and tell us which is better b:surrender
    Originally written by Satchiko to me regarding old spice commercial :
    Hello Perfect World. Look at your cleric, now back to me, now back to your cleric, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me. But if you stopped being a noob and started wearing sunglasses you could act like you're me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on Dreamweaver with the cleric your cleric could be like. What's in your hand, back at me. It's an inventory filled with the gear you want. Look again, the gear is now diamonds. Anything is possible with sunglasses. I'm flying on starter wings.
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Demon is better because we get flying hamburgers!!
  • Tudordan - Dreamweaver
    Tudordan - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Read that and make your own opinion:

    Blessing of the Purehearted:

    Sage version have 25% lower mana cost
    Demon version has a 25% chance to recover an additional 5% of maximum MP

    Ironheart blessing:

    Sage version recovers an additional 15% more HP
    Demon version also recovers 300 MP over 15 seconds

    Wellspring Surge:

    Sage version reduces channeling time to 1.2 seconds.
    Demon version gains an additional 20% Chi with each cast.

    Revive:

    Sage version extends range to 40 meters.
    Demon version cuts channeling time in half.

    Purify:

    Sage verions reduces casting time to 0.5 seconds and reduces cooldown time to 1 second.
    Demon version does not consume Chi when cast.

    Chromatic Healing Bean:

    Sage version extends area of effect by 5 meters.
    Demon version recovers an extra 600 HP.

    Strean of Rejuvelation:

    Sage version gains 30% extra Chi with each cast.
    Demon version temporarily grants the target an additional 100% bonus to equipment's physical defense.

    Vanguard Spirit:

    Sage version grants the target an additional 100% physical defense over 10 seconds.
    Both you and the target have a 25% chance to gain 25 Chi.

    Magic Shell:

    Sage version increases the target's channeling speed by 20% for 10 seconds.
    Both you and the target have a 25% chance to gain 25 Chi.

    Celestial Guardian's Seal:

    Sage version recovers 1200 HP over 15 seconds.
    Demon version recovers 900 MP over 15 seconds.

    Spirit's Gift:

    Sage version adds 900 MP over 15 seconds.
    Demon version grants an additional 150% to magic attack for the first 10 seconds.

    Plume Shot:

    Sage version does an additional 800 damage.
    Demon version reduces both channel and cooldown times to 1.2 seconds.

    Plume Shell:

    Sage version always absorbs 85% of incoming damage.
    Demon version only requires 15 Chi.

    Razor Feathers:

    Sage version extends area of effect radus by 2 meters.
    Demon version reduces cooldown to 6 seconds.

    Elemental Seal:

    Sage version always lasts 25 seconds.
    Demon version only reduces your magic defense for 15 seconds.

    Dimensional Seal:

    Sage version increases physical defense reduction duration on the enemy to 25 seconds.
    Demon version decreases physical defense reduction duration on the you to 15 seconds.

    Silent Seal:

    Sage version extends freeze effect by 2 seconds.
    Demon version does not reduce your attack damage.

    Chromatic Seal:

    Sage version extends the sleep duration by 4 seconds.
    Demon version causes no reduction to speed.

    Great Cyclone:

    Sage version reduces enemy's speed by 45% and increases effect duration by 1 second.
    Demon version does an extra 600 damage.

    Thunderball:

    Sage version does an extra 15% Metal damage.
    Demon version reduces the duration of the damage over time to 12 seconds.

    Siren's Kiss:

    Sage version has a 25% chance to cast without consuming Spark.
    Demon version reduces cooldown time to 10 seconds.

    Wield Thunder:

    Sage version has a 50% chance to gain addional 30 Chi on a successful hit.
    Demon version reduces enemy's Metal resistance by 30% for 10 seconds.

    Tempest:

    Sage version has a 50% chance to cast with only one Spark consumed.
    Demon version has a 25% chance to freeze enemies for 8 seconds.

    /EndThread
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  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Tudordan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Read that and make your own opinion:

    /EndThread

    I feel like ppl like you can't be serious O.o
    Firstly, damn its Ninnuam, secondly checked his level?b:sweat

    BTW : to end the Demon/Sage IH power discussion.
    Example : me having sage IH, i tested with my old weapon the Neon Purgatory +10
    test #2 with tt90 glaive.

    The difference was that a sage IH has the same Healing power with the tt90 +5 glaive, as a Demon IH cleric with the Neon Purgatory +10 refine.
    So the difference is quite big, only that it doesnt matter outside of Warsong and TW really.
    Originally written by Satchiko to me regarding old spice commercial :
    Hello Perfect World. Look at your cleric, now back to me, now back to your cleric, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me. But if you stopped being a noob and started wearing sunglasses you could act like you're me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on Dreamweaver with the cleric your cleric could be like. What's in your hand, back at me. It's an inventory filled with the gear you want. Look again, the gear is now diamonds. Anything is possible with sunglasses. I'm flying on starter wings.
  • Tudordan - Dreamweaver
    Tudordan - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I feel like ppl like you can't be serious O.o
    Firstly, damn its Ninnuam, secondly checked his level?b:sweat

    BTW : to end the Demon/Sage IH power.
    Example : me having sage IH, i tested with my old weapon the Neon Purgatory +10
    test #2 with tt90 glaive.

    The difference was that a sage IH has the same Healing power with the tt90 +5 glaive, as a Demon IH cleric with the Neon Purgatory +10 refine.
    So the difference is quite big, only that it doesnt matter outside of Warsong and TW really.




    Sorry but my avatar is with a wizard not a cleric [lvl 63 wizard mind you]

    Or wait you can't see the difference between a wizard and a cleric?

    And second what do you mean by "Ninnuam"?
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  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Okay, i think you missed your coffee this morning b:shocked
    Ninnuam is the thread starter, and his level is 100...why would he seriously ask for demon and sage.
    Originally written by Satchiko to me regarding old spice commercial :
    Hello Perfect World. Look at your cleric, now back to me, now back to your cleric, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me. But if you stopped being a noob and started wearing sunglasses you could act like you're me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on Dreamweaver with the cleric your cleric could be like. What's in your hand, back at me. It's an inventory filled with the gear you want. Look again, the gear is now diamonds. Anything is possible with sunglasses. I'm flying on starter wings.
  • Lylfo - Dreamweaver
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Okay, i think you missed your coffee this morning b:shocked
    Ninnuam is the thread starter, and his level is 100...why would he seriously ask for demon and sage.

    I know a level 99 who has only done his fb79 and 79 culti at that level. . .
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  • Tudordan - Dreamweaver
    Tudordan - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Okay, i think you missed your coffee this morning b:shocked
    Ninnuam is the thread starter, and his level is 100...why would he seriously ask for demon and sage.

    Hah I know that Ninnuam is the thread starter [I just like to ask a lot of things to confuse people]

    But at this point you're right.......He's lvl 100 and he start to ask for demon and sage...

    I guess that he didn't finnished his celestial cultivation if he SERIOUSLY asked that!

    EDIT: And I don't drink coffee thanks
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  • Tudordan - Dreamweaver
    Tudordan - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I know a level 99 who has only done his fb79 and 79 culti at that level. . .

    His friends/faction didn't wanted to help him...poor lvl 99 player
    I hate idiots,but I'm forced to stay near them!
  • Reichle - Sanctuary
    Reichle - Sanctuary Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, i'm goin demon. Forgot. Oooops...>.>;;;
    Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>

    Yes, I love PWI that much. Every class is awesome in their own way.
  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Lol at this getting to the 3rd page. Wuwz joo clerics <3

    Oh and a cookie to all us sages D:
    b:dirty
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Lol at this getting to the 3rd page. Wuwz joo clerics <3

    Oh and a cookie to all us sages D:

    Do us Demons get cake? :O

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