Rank 8 vs Nirvana

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Im in a bit of a bind atm. I cant choose if i should get rank 8 or get nirvana.

I mean rank 8 is cheaper to get but is it really worth getting it over nirvana.


What is your opinion, feel free to discuss(im talking about armor + weapon btw, ofc the rank ring is godly )

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Count with me. Rank 8 for mages(I have VI) cost around 750M or less. Now if you compare with 250 rapture crystals for 2.5M each= 250x2.5M=625M For only 150M more you get absolutely perfect chest with -channeling with 4 sockets, best ring in game, and godly weapon which is very comparable to nirvana weapon. I did calculation and with always 2socket fill up with magic shard is even better than nirvana weapon with same refines. Because nirvana weapon has random stat and can come with just 1 socket. I'm gonna go for rank 8 for sure. But it take LOOOOOOOOONG time to reach it.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Count with me. Rank 8 for mages(I have VI) cost around 750M or less. Now if you compare with 250 rapture crystals for 2.5M each= 250x2.5M=625M For only 150M more you get absolutely perfect chest with -channeling with 4 sockets, best ring in game, and godly weapon which is very comparable to nirvana weapon. I did calculation and with always 2socket fill up with magic shard is even better than nirvana weapon with same refines. Because nirvana weapon has random stat and can come with just 1 socket. I'm gonna go for rank 8 for sure. But it take LOOOOOOOOONG time to reach it.

prices are dropping already. in a few months these mats will be worth 1m.

for now... enough said.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

prices are dropping already. in a few months these mats will be worth 1m.

for now... enough said.

I don't think so. Every1 wants to have nirvana weapon so crystals will not be cheaper for sure. With small drop rate( get 1 or none for run) these crystals stay high at price pretty long.

Bloop - Harshlands

Or you just find a random noob and buy a rapture chest. I know it's harder than that, but still possible. d:

Kristoph - Lost City

- Nirvana is cheaper to get and easier to farm
- The rank 8 ring is awful, 180 HP is nothing once you refine your gears, Lunar rings are much better because you can refine them for mdef, which helps a lot as you can't get mdef elsewhere
- Nirvana has a higher base range, which helps your damage more than a 2nd socket. 2nd socket = only 75 extra matk (if g11). Nirvana gets more than that at +12, and skills get more damage from weapon range to begin with
- Nirvana sword gets 3-4% crit, meaning you only have to get 2 random stats better than 15 mag and 130 max matk, which is pretty easy to do


The only thing rank 8 gives that's worth mentioning is the -6% channeling top. Which is nice for DDing, but in pvp a nirvana top is much better anyway. Rank 8 is "easier" to get, as it only involves buying a ****load of tokens, but Nirvana is the better choice for endgame.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

- Nirvana is cheaper to get and easier to farm
- The rank 8 ring is awful, 180 HP is nothing once you refine your gears, Lunar rings are much better because you can refine them for mdef, which helps a lot as you can't get mdef elsewhere
- Nirvana has a higher base range, which helps your damage more than a 2nd socket. 2nd socket = only 75 extra matk (if g11). Nirvana gets more than that at +12, and skills get more damage from weapon range to begin with
- Nirvana sword gets 3-4% crit, meaning you only have to get 2 random stats better than 15 mag and 130 max matk, which is pretty easy to do


The only thing rank 8 gives that's worth mentioning is the -6% channeling top. Which is nice for DDing, but in pvp a nirvana top is much better anyway. Rank 8 is "easier" to get, as it only involves buying a ****load of tokens, but Nirvana is the better choice for endgame.

I was comparing +12 R8 and +12 nirvana. The difference is very low. Of course nirvana has little bit better but with 2 socket option of R8 is R8 better.
And ring what do you think how much m.def you can get from 1 ring? And how much it lower damage? I will tell you. NOTHING From 12K-15K m.defense is damage reduced nothing. I take much rather +1% critical.
And +100 magic attack stone in sword add + 600 in magic attack which is more than nirvana at same refines if nirvana has just 1 socket.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »

That would be true if you were taking physical damage, but lunar rings also give you +250 pdef which of course you would amplify.

Meanwhile, if you are taking magic damage from a level 150 boss, the difference between 12k mdef and 15k mdef is the difference between 3x your health and 3.5x your health (that is how much damage you can take). In PvP that difference would be even larger.

You will have plenty p.def from refines ornaments. In PvP difference would be much lower thanks to damage reduction. You receiving much less damage so damage reduction from m.def and p.def is also smaller.
Example. With 14000 m.def I have reduction from 100lv. mobs 77%. With elemental shell and m.def 66000 I have reduction JUST 90%. So difference 52000 m.def doing just 13% of damage reduction difference. So how much difference in reduction would make 1k more m.def from refined ring? not noticeable.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

With the -6% channel robe it's possible to get -40% channel with lvl5 tome and nirvana leggings while keeping protection belt and necklace. Makes pyro, sandstorm and demon divine pyro shine.

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

I really like the -2% phys dmg and -4% elemental dmg on the nirvana pieces. Stack these w/ jades of steady defenses, and 5 nirvana set piece = 60 def with a high phys def/magic def reduction bonus. Also, nirvana refines for more hp.

Ima vote nirvana. Costs less too.

Edit: I don't know enough about the rank8 wep, so I only based my vote on the armors

brownflamer

Well I guess the choice depends on how far into the future you are looking......

If you are expecting yourself to still be playing this game 5-6 months from now....then go for nirvana by all means b:victory

_Vivio_ - Sanctuary

Rank8 vs Nirvana sword is pretty comparable in damage output if your wearing the rank8 ring. Not comparing with nirvana armor that is. Even if lets say you got for your nirvana attributes +350 hp, +130 magic attack, 3-4 crit, 2 socket icebourne shards, +12 and 2 lunar rings you have about 18560-20258 magic attack with cleric buff vs about 17900-20544 magic attack Rank8 weapon with cleric buff, +12, 2 socket icebourne, 1 lunar ring, and 1 Rank8 ring. I really doubt anyone would really miss 600 low end damage since players are ok with 50 vit mages. Note this is comparing a 3 vit mage, only enough strength to wear armor with the event cape, rest magic, TT90 green chest, TT90 green pants, TT90 gold wrist, warsong belt, TT90 gold pdef necklace, event boots and helm, and no tome.

On the defensive side you'd either gain 80 mdef or lose up to 1400 magic def (equivalent of 3% damage reduction if its 12k magic def vs 14.8k+ magic def) if your lunar rings are +0-12 and about 670-700 pdef if you are selfbuffed and around 800-950 pdef full buffed (2% damage reduction). The pdef thing is only if you self buff for at least 6k+ pdef already. They are pretty comparable eitherway I doubt you'd really be able to be like, "OMG, I get hit way harder!!!" one way or another. Note these pdef ranges are based off only sage stone barrier. Nirvana you can get a nice HP boost from the weapon and Rank8 has none so its not comparable.

I personally believe eventually Nirvana mats will get pretty cheap as more people farm it. On my server people were paying like 2 mill each for illusion spring for the longest time now its way cheaper. 1-1.2 mill Giant beast armor and now its then it turned out to be around 400k. It's just a matter of time. I'm not in a huge rush. For now if your willing to spend more then yes Nirvana is definitely more worth it overall not very hard to use those new refine/socket transfer stones to make sure you have 2 sockets.

Note I based my magic attack off of http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/. The refine of the weapons is fine double checked it vs Armour's (from lost city's) Nirvana sword and NoNameWiz's (from sanctuary) Rank8. Some armor is wrong on pwcalc that is why i did not base anything off armor and used only ornaments and weapons. I didn't run through all the gear combinations as I'm too lazy just used what was on my setup. If you feel you can do a better job go for it.

Rank8 top is ok but seriously I'd rather invest into a nirvana top because imo in the long run 1% crit, grade 15, and Nirvana set bonus > 6% channeling and grade 12.

Overall for now I'd pick Rank8 weapon as a pretty good alternative with the saturation of the token market as of now and ways to farm it relatively easily if you have friends. Long run yep Nirvana is clearly better.

Another note sorry for the giant wall of text. b:surrender

edit - I'm sleepy good night.

DeadlySinsx - Heavens Tear

imoi think that a wiz with TT100 (red) with -chan shards, rank 8 armor and ring is a very deadly combo

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

weapons: rank 8 vs nirvana ?
rank 8 ftw... y? u will find out in 2-3months b:chuckleb:shutup

brownflamer

Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

weapons: rank 8 vs nirvana ?
rank 8 ftw... y? u will find out in 2-3months b:chuckleb:shutup

Share ur secrets naw b:scorn

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

brownflamer wrote: »

Share ur secrets naw b:scorn

if u know chin.ese... check cn pw forumb:chuckle but once u find that info... b:shutup

brownflamer

Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if u know chin.ese... check cn pw forumb:chuckle but once u find that info... b:shutup

lol..I don't know chinese....*looks at avatar and sees 102* but I will believe u b:laugh

Haiz - Lost City

People need to remember that Nirvana weapon and rank 8 weapon basically refine the same. Nirvana weapon will have roughly 100 more magic attack than rank 8 at +12, but rank 8 will also have the extra socket (75 magic attack from sapphire), and then the ring has 125 magic attack on it, which I believe is 30 more than a CV ring. In total that is 105 extra magic attack from rank 8. Could include the 8 magic I get from the rank 8 top but that is besides the point. Also at +10 which is much more reasonable for most people, the difference in magic attack is about 30 in the weapons.

Saying that CV ring is better than rank 8 ring is laughable too. HP does not have any diminishing returns, pdef always will. If you can afford either rank 8 or nirvana, I sure do hope you already have decent ornaments which makes pdef rather useless. HP will always be better than pdef at high levels, always. Do you hear ever hear all the top cash shoppers bragging about pdef? or is it always "he has 16k hp buffed" or "wow 10k hp unbuffed". No one cares if you have 10k pdef buffed, and the only person who is amusing with their pdef is Ehee who has 23k pdef buffed, and why he has that much I'll never know.

Nirvana has endless possibilities to be better, but if you know an archer named KedgeSniper in Lost City who made a nirvana bow... The chances of getting those possibilities may suck. He is an archer who made his nirvana bow and has recasted his bow at least 5~7 times. He has gotten stun every single time, along with plenty of magic and mp stats.

And about what Shewes says, I've heard random stuff about rank 9 and also stuff about a better set for rank 8. Rather makes sense since rank 8 is supposed to be the ultimate equipment set but its pretty outdated compared to all the new armors and weapons they put out. Its about time it gets an update really.

Qingzi - Harshlands

Just a quick question about Nirvana, can you get zerk on magic weapons? If so, go for it. 2x damage from a wiz by offering what, 200 hp? Don't know your hp so I can't tell, but you'd be able to hit like 120k without crit. Not sure if you CAN get zerk though, that's why I'm asking.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Qingzi - Harshlands wrote: »

Just a quick question about Nirvana, can you get zerk on magic weapons? If so, go for it. 2x damage from a wiz by offering what, 200 hp? Don't know your hp so I can't tell, but you'd be able to hit like 120k without crit. Not sure if you CAN get zerk though, that's why I'm asking.

Impossible for all other magic weapons but even if it is with Nirvana, no use for a Wizard. These additionals only work for melee so maybe some Venomancers benefit from the add but no other class will.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

People need to remember that Nirvana weapon and rank 8 weapon basically refine the same. Nirvana weapon will have roughly 100 more magic attack than rank 8 at +12, but rank 8 will also have the extra socket (75 magic attack from sapphire), and then the ring has 125 magic attack on it, which I believe is 30 more than a CV ring. In total that is 105 extra magic attack from rank 8. Could include the 8 magic I get from the rank 8 top but that is besides the point. Also at +10 which is much more reasonable for most people, the difference in magic attack is about 30 in the weapons.

Saying that CV ring is better than rank 8 ring is laughable too. HP does not have any diminishing returns, pdef always will. If you can afford either rank 8 or nirvana, I sure do hope you already have decent ornaments which makes pdef rather useless. HP will always be better than pdef at high levels, always. Do you hear ever hear all the top cash shoppers bragging about pdef? or is it always "he has 16k hp buffed" or "wow 10k hp unbuffed". No one cares if you have 10k pdef buffed, and the only person who is amusing with their pdef is Ehee who has 23k pdef buffed, and why he has that much I'll never know.

Nirvana has endless possibilities to be better, but if you know an archer named KedgeSniper in Lost City who made a nirvana bow... The chances of getting those possibilities may suck. He is an archer who made his nirvana bow and has recasted his bow at least 5~7 times. He has gotten stun every single time, along with plenty of magic and mp stats.

And about what Shewes says, I've heard random stuff about rank 9 and also stuff about a better set for rank 8. Rather makes sense since rank 8 is supposed to be the ultimate equipment set but its pretty outdated compared to all the new armors and weapons they put out. Its about time it gets an update really.

b:dirtyHaiz i wanna see a vid with your rank 8!


At this point im leaning towards rank 8 and maybe they will give the old classes a full set like they did the tideborn. IDK.

For now, back to leveling

Haiz - Lost City

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:dirtyHaiz i wanna see a vid with your rank 8!


At this point im leaning towards rank 8 and maybe they will give the old classes a full set like they did the tideborn. IDK.

For now, back to leveling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxgVVv1qEm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gE0R1i3fv8

Both of those are my recent videos with rank 8.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxgVVv1qEm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gE0R1i3fv8

Both of those are my recent videos with rank 8.

Very nice. b:pleased

_Vivio_ - Sanctuary

I'm going Rank8. Just wanted to put that out there. A little over 25% of the way there. It's going to take me a bit but Rank8 has always been a goal of mine for a long while.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

voted for rank8

NonameWiz - Sanctuary

Just a vote Rank 8

Kristoph - Lost City

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

Saying that CV ring is better than rank 8 ring is laughable too. HP does not have any diminishing returns, pdef always will. If you can afford either rank 8 or nirvana, I sure do hope you already have decent ornaments which makes pdef rather useless. HP will always be better than pdef at high levels, always. Do you hear ever hear all the top cash shoppers bragging about pdef? or is it always "he has 16k hp buffed" or "wow 10k hp unbuffed". No one cares if you have 10k pdef buffed, and the only person who is amusing with their pdef is Ehee who has 23k pdef buffed, and why he has that much I'll never know.

180 HP is nothing once you refine decently, 250 pdef is always significant. It will help when you're self buffed, it will help when you get purged/debuffed by a BM/Barb/Archer/Veno. And yes, 1% extra pdef reduction helps when you're getting hit by a fist BM. Consider your genie I'm sure you'll find out sooner or later. Domain is only going to help you once before you get mowed over by a fist BM. And yes, 1-2k mdef is quite significant, which shouldn't be hard for you to realize considering how hard you're probably hitting other wizards even without undine.

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

Nirvana has endless possibilities to be better, but if you know an archer named KedgeSniper in Lost City who made a nirvana bow... The chances of getting those possibilities may suck. He is an archer who made his nirvana bow and has recasted his bow at least 5~7 times. He has gotten stun every single time, along with plenty of magic and mp stats.

Except that debuff/adv debuff are somewhat unlikely options over stun. The same isn't true for magic swords, which have a decent chance of getting 4% crit, and the only alternative is 3% crit.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

180 HP is nothing once you refine decently, 250 pdef is always significant. It will help when you're self buffed, it will help when you get purged/debuffed by a BM/Barb/Archer/Veno. And yes, 1% extra pdef reduction helps when you're getting hit by a fist BM. Consider your genie I'm sure you'll find out sooner or later. Domain is only going to help you once before you get mowed over by a fist BM. And yes, 1-2k mdef is quite significant, which shouldn't be hard for you to realize considering how hard you're probably hitting other wizards even without undine.


Except that debuff/adv debuff are somewhat unlikely options over stun. The same isn't true for magic swords, which have a decent chance of getting 4% crit, and the only alternative is 3% crit.

You don't get extra 1% p.def reduction from 250 p.def. Now way at high levels. Plus +10 cube necklace gives you +1000p.def. 250 p.def at end game is absolutely nothing. But 1% more critical is much more worthfull.
Also at Chinese is already rank 9 ring, with 5% critical and another super adds. Probably we will get soon Rank 9.

NonameWiz - Sanctuary

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You don't get extra 1% p.def reduction from 250 p.def. Now way at high levels. Plus +10 cube necklace gives you +1000p.def. 250 p.def at end game is absolutely nothing. But 1% more critical is much more worthfull.
Also at Chinese is already rank 9 ring, with 5% critical and another super adds. Probably we will get soon Rank 9.

Hopefully we can get it soon enough b:dirty It'll be on my finger

Maestro - Raging Tide

How much rep does rank 9 cost over rank 8 o.0?

Adroit - Lost City

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You don't get extra 1% p.def reduction from 250 p.def. Now way at high levels. Plus +10 cube necklace gives you +1000p.def. 250 p.def at end game is absolutely nothing. But 1% more critical is much more worthfull.
Also at Chinese is already rank 9 ring, with 5% critical and another super adds. Probably we will get soon Rank 9.

The 250 pdef on a ring is actually a pretty good junk of pdef.. and being that it is gear based it will be multiplied several times with stone barrier and other buffs as well. But besides that, I'm pretty sure Kristoph is referring to refining the ring, which adds mdef.