Information for future landholders

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear
Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear Posts: 798 Arc User
edited April 2010 in Etherblade (West)
Income from tier 3 land:
10mil coins

Cost to defend tier 3 land:
1.4m coin on towers
20k per catapult scroll (average catapult scrolls used in 3 hour war 200=250) 4-5m total
remaining income after 3 hour war every week minimum 3.6 mil


Income from successful defense:
90% of attacker's bid (ex. 500k bid=450k refund on defense, 10m bid=9m refund on successful defense) minimum remaining funds after 3 hour defense at minimum bid 4.05m

4.05m/80 max members in war=50k/member (excess=mailing fee)

Attack/no attack=not included in this equation so...

Cost to attack tier 3 land:
500k bid minimum (90% returned on victory)
1.4m coin on towers
20k per catapult scroll (average catapult scrolls used in 3 hour war 200=250) 4-5m total
6.9m cost for long loss at minimum bid

Safe guild coffer size:6.4m=10m/land(extra cushion for defense)+10m for attack bid+cost
holding 1 land (max reasonable coffer size) = 20m(10m+10m)

Safe approximation for guild members to be aware of their guild's war costs: 30min=40 cata scrolls (800k/30 mins)
so 1.4m+800k/30 mins, do the math and keep your eyes open
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  • Asmodiel - Heavens Tear
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,442 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    This right after Belial wins land o.o (k lucky gank or not, nobody cares, the color is on the map, they'll earn 10m next week).

    You could also just say that it was a bit of a **** up yesterday and call it the day. it's no shame really, might even improve the imago a bit (no this isn't smack talking for those eager to reply with venomous posts).
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  • Darksorrow - Heavens Tear
    Darksorrow - Heavens Tear Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    (no this isn't smack talking for those eager to reply with venomous posts).

    Leave my poor Venomous Scarabs out of this b:sad
  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You could also just say that it was a bit of a **** up yesterday and call it the day. it's no shame really, might even improve the imago a bit (no this isn't smack talking for those eager to reply with venomous posts).

    Well the whole Belial thing actually did work toward their favor, look at the map, Belial cant attack Tao, Tao has nothing to worry about now. They can 1v1 Enrage now.

    Belial is force to attack Enrage and a lucky gank can happen in Tao's favor.


    Anyways, reply back to the TW thread, no point turning this thread into a TW drama thread. :/
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  • hiddenalt
    hiddenalt Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    So Tao can lose in 25 mins instead of 20?
  • Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear
    Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear Posts: 304 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Actually, there are good reasons for posting this, but you shall see soon enough, if you're in Belial, that is.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Actually, there are good reasons for posting this, but you shall see soon enough, if you're in Belial, that is.

    Ooooh I see what you did there. >:]
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  • Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear
    Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear Posts: 304 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It was good wasn't it? Tao may be losing TW right now, but were not stupid by any means.
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  • Aviax - Heavens Tear
    Aviax - Heavens Tear Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Oh really? O.o
  • sleepcat
    sleepcat Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Darksorrow - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Leave my poor Venomous Scarabs out of this b:sad

    :(

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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Nice math. So you TW only for your pay?

    There are plenty of players that TW for the fun, and accept charm lose as the cost of having fun for a few minutes every week.

    That math may make sense for players looking for a new "job", but it is irrelevant for anyone that just wants to have fun.

    We can break down the OP's post as:

    If you are in Tao don't leave the guild just because they lost a few TWs, look at the math and see that you will not get paid as much anywhere else except in Enrage.

    If you are Enrage, don't leave, we are winning again, and you will get a huge pay cut if you move anywhere else.

    If you are Rad, I think most of the mercenaries have already left that guild over the last year. The math just reasures the ones that are still there as why they TW, and money is not one of those reasons.

    If you are any other guild, just have fun. Think of TW as entertainment you have to pay for. In the end, have fun and laugh at all the excuses the large guilds make the few times they actualy loose to smaller guilds, and laugh at the weekly drama between the large factions.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    TW pay is the most reason why people want to TW, they wont say it, but its most likely the case. Yes, you do see some people TWing because they want massive PvPness, but honestly, look at Tao, Rad, and Caesar, its happened to them. Once they started to lose, people left.

    I'm seeing alot of people who used to be in Tao and are now factionless or have Enrage over there head.

    In Enrage, I'm seeing some new peeps who have **** gear compare to the core members, but I suppose every TW faction will have people like that.

    In Rad, I see only those who havent left due to losing, the loyal members will stay.

    Yes, its sad, that people leave when a TW faction when they lose over and over.

    Back when Tao had power, I said, "As soon as you guys start losing, members will leave your faction." Im pretty sure I have that posted somewhere. This applys to any TW faction I imagine though.

    Overall, people think if you are in a TW faction, you will be spoiled and think you are getting the best gear on the server.

    From what Belial said, they TW for fun, whether they lose or not. Belial seems to be the "special case" where people there just want to TW, dont care about pay. I said its a rest stop, waiting place, stepping stone, into Tao and Enrage, but really, any faction can be that, Belial just seems to be........the obvious choice. <_____<

    I wonder how many people at this moment want to be in Enrage for the money.

    Anyways, if Belial wants to be a serious TW faction, go for it, otherwise, you wont compare to Tao, Rad or Enrage.

    Overall, I say TW pay is a huge influence that draws people to TW in the first place, especially on a PvE server.
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  • StormChaos - Heavens Tear
    StormChaos - Heavens Tear Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes, its sad, that people leave when a TW faction when they lose over and over.

    Its not just about the pay, though Im sure for some it is.

    You also have those who have to be on the winning side, wether thats because of a false sense of self worth it brings them or e-peen or w/e, as soon as their current faction starts to lose instead of staying and working hard to help rebuild they jump ship to the next best thing.

    I wonder what the map would look like now if all those that have left Belial, Rad, Caesar etc had stayed, knuckled under and helped the faction back.

    To some the bright lights and percieved " the best " tag is a bigger draw than the cash
  • Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear
    Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear Posts: 304 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I TW for the fun, the lulz, the hard work, the riddle of combatting their newest strat. It's like a game for me, I step back, find their strat and find new ways to combat it. I don't care if I get paid or not. But I do know a lot of people TW for the coin, or the glory. You haven't seen the smile on my face when we win, thats priceless, or the upset when we lose, and that just pushes me harder.
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  • hiddenalt
    hiddenalt Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    90% of ppl TW for either Pay or they wanna feel like winners thats reali it
  • Chanima - Heavens Tear
    Chanima - Heavens Tear Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    KonariRaiden is a moderator b:shocked

    lol, I never would have guessed..
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  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    In Enrage, I'm seeing some new peeps who have **** gear compare to the core members, but I suppose every TW faction will have people like that.

    Quit looking at my gear, it's really not as bad as it seems. I keep my **** gear on to fend off the ones who look at my gear like you. And I wouldn't consider myself new since I had joined Enrage since the first 3-4 months.
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I wonder how many people at this moment want to be in Enrage for the money.

    Oh you're right! Oh wait, I don't TW that much in Enrage since I've been busy with other stuff. Does that still mean I'm in Enrage for the money? b:question Hell, sometimes I break even or even lose money going to TW.
    Chanima - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    KonariRaiden is a moderator b:shocked

    lol, I never would have guessed..

    ^ This doesn't have anything to do with the topic.

    In the end, I like how Enrage got pulled into this thread, just like almost every other thread, even though it wasn't started by an Enrage, and had nothing to do with Enrage in the OP.
    I call it how I see it.
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  • Asmodiel - Heavens Tear
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,442 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    b:surrender people writing their life stories here, if you would combine all threads into a book...damn it would be a hit b:victory (and one hell of a big book too <.< )
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  • Fliiick - Heavens Tear
    Fliiick - Heavens Tear Posts: 597 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I TW because I like killing people, I like my faction being victorious and being number 1.

    OK so we're not number 1 anymore, but part of the fun is to get back to even terms with Enrage.

    I won't lie, I like the TW pay, purely because it's a thank you for helping our guild own territory and it helps paying for charm loss. Is it the main reason I TW? No.

    I want to be the best, that is why I TW b:victory
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I TW for the fun, the lulz, the hard work, the riddle of combatting their newest strat. It's like a game for me, I step back, find their strat and find new ways to combat it.

    LOL... that had me going for a while... thanks... i needed it.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    In the end, I like how Enrage got pulled into this thread, just like almost every other thread, even though it wasn't started by an Enrage, and had nothing to do with Enrage in the OP.

    Don't worry, I pulled Rad, Tao, and Belial in this thread also.
    b:victory

    Anyways, I used Enrage as the main example because you have power right now.


    If you looked waaaay back when in other threads, I used Tao as the main example. :P
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  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Don't worry, I pulled Rad, Tao, and Belial in this thread also.
    b:victory

    Anyways, I used Enrage as the main example because you have power right now.


    If you looked waaaay back when in other threads, I used Tao as the main example. :P

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  • konariraiden
    konariraiden Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Our secret weapon.


    The Eye of the Tiger.

    *gasp* I remember that song!

    ...it's from Guitar Hero!

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  • Fliiick - Heavens Tear
    Fliiick - Heavens Tear Posts: 597 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    KonariRaiden wrote: »
    *gasp* I remember that song!

    ...it's from Guitar Hero!

    b:avoid

    GTFO

    Go mod, not troll xD
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  • konariraiden
    konariraiden Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Fliiick - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    GTFO

    Go mod, not troll xD

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    *grumble* ...can't do ANYTHING no mores...

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  • Fliiick - Heavens Tear
    Fliiick - Heavens Tear Posts: 597 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    KonariRaiden wrote: »
    b:surrender

    *grumble* ...can't do ANYTHING no mores...

    b:sad

    Damn straight you can't lol

    You're with the law! GTFO!
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  • Garrand - Heavens Tear
    Garrand - Heavens Tear Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    konari really made mod!?

    :O!

    when? and hey lol
  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    KonariRaiden wrote: »
    b:surrender

    *grumble* ...can't do ANYTHING no mores...

    b:sad

    Thought you could swap your avatar back to your game avatar for when you want to troll, you know, try and disguise yourself to walk amongst the masses.
  • konariraiden
    konariraiden Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Thought you could swap your avatar back to your game avatar for when you want to troll, you know, try and disguise yourself to walk amongst the masses.

    Nope. Plus...y'know, having your account nickname bein' the same as your In-Game nickname...not the brightest of ideas.

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  • Fliiick - Heavens Tear
    Fliiick - Heavens Tear Posts: 597 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    KonariRaiden wrote: »
    Nope. Plus...y'know, having your account nickname bein' the same as your In-Game nickname...not the brightest of ideas.

    b:sweat

    You were never the smartest b:chuckleb:kiss
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  • Rawthorne - Heavens Tear
    Rawthorne - Heavens Tear Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    KonariRaiden wrote: »
    Nope. Plus...y'know, having your account nickname bein' the same as your In-Game nickname...not the brightest of ideas.

    b:sweat


    Lol but I think I can safely say that you and bright ideas were NEVER used in the same sentenceb:laugh

    Anyways yah as fliick said; GTFO and go mod/not troll damn't!!!
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