Why must people insist on rushing?

Alliptica - Raging Tide

Im doing the bh, right and they all tele back to the head hunter but i dont have enough coin for that so i say im gonna fly and while im still flying to plume my squad is already back in the instance clearing. would it be so hard for them to wait for me? back when i did bh59 on my archer we all flew to the head hunter and back.

I know im just a DD but it really makes me uncomfortable and nervous to see them running the instance again while im still in arch scraping up enough coin to tele back in. and im not there to get the drops which helps me afford to tele back in next time. idk maybe i should just come preapred with 60k teleporting funds next time -_-

axt57

How do you not have enough coin to tele at lvl 71?

Okeano - Harshlands

axt57 wrote: »

How do you not have enough coin to tele at lvl 71?

My thoughts exactly.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im doing the bh, right and they all tele back to the head hunter but i dont have enough coin for that so i say im gonna fly and while im still flying to plume my squad is already back in the instance clearing. would it be so hard for them to wait for me? back when i did bh59 on my archer we all flew to the head hunter and back.

I know im just a DD but it really makes me uncomfortable and nervous to see them running the instance again while im still in arch scraping up enough coin to tele back in. and im not there to get the drops which helps me afford to tele back in next time. idk maybe i should just come preapred with 60k teleporting funds next time -_-

I wouldn't call that rushing. I think rushing means that you kill mobs too fast and end up dead. And I don't think BH59 is too bad with teleport fees, as long as you do like this:

Tele to instance, fly to Plume and cube back.

That way you end up paying 15k at max. It's bad, but not that bad.

Celestyna - Heavens Tear

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im doing the bh, right and they all tele back to the head hunter but i dont have enough coin for that so i say im gonna fly and while im still flying to plume my squad is already back in the instance clearing. would it be so hard for them to wait for me? back when i did bh59 on my archer we all flew to the head hunter and back.

i know im just a DD but it really makes me uncomfortable and nervous to see them running the instance again while im still in arch scraping up enough coin to tele back in. and im not there to get the drops which helps me afford to tele back in next time. idk maybe i should just come preapred with 60k teleporting funds next time -_-

If you are cheap/broke you can just pick up all three at once b:surrender
that said I have all three, i do not wait for anyone to get there normally i can be at the next boss before everyone even gets inside in 59 on my veno, on my cleric after wining there is not that many mobs left its just holy path to next boss

I find it annoying when peopel have to fly, I dont have much game time these days and i dont want to spend my time waiting on some cheap/ broke person to fly when you could kill a few mobs before you started and saved everyone else time

Alliptica - Raging Tide

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wouldn't call that rushing. I think rushing means that you kill mobs too fast and end up dead. And I don't think BH59 is too bad with teleport fees, as long as you do like this:

Tele to instance, fly to Plume and cube back.

That way you end up paying 15k at max. It's bad, but not that bad.

thats what i was doing and they cant even wait for me to fly to plume!

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

thats what i was doing and they cant even wait for me to fly to plume!

How are they doing it then? I don't know any other way to get to Arch than going to plume, if you don't count tele stones. What a waste tho.

Smobo - Heavens Tear

Time is money. Typically the amount it costs you to teleport somewhere is less than the amount you could make farming/grinding in the amount of time it would take you to fly from one city to another, with possible exception being higher level towns which are close togethere (like the ones near 1k streams).

Also, you are only a dder, if you want to take your time and they don't mind, you're not critical enough to the squad for them to warrent waiting if they don't want to. I mean your job really is only too speed up the dungeon clearing process, so them sitting around waiting for speed to show up seems kind of silly.

And 60k seems a little high, you could cube to arch from plume, and stone back in. That should only cost you 5k/trip. Even if you teled the whole thing, king'sfeast -> silverpool -> arch is 6k, then stoning in is 5k. So thats only 11k/trip, which you should be able to earn back fairly fast with grinding, or from the drops you'd get in the bh.

Celestyna - Heavens Tear

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

How are they doing it then? I don't know any other way to get to Arch than going to plume, if you don't count tele stones. What a waste tho.

you can tp from kings feast to arrowhead to silverpool to arch, or fly to arrowhead and tp from there which is 5k cheaper and doesnt take much extra time

Alliptica - Raging Tide

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

How are they doing it then? I don't know any other way to get to Arch than going to plume, if you don't count tele stones. What a waste tho.

They go from kings feast to arrowhead manor to silver pool to arch b:shocked

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

They go from kings feast to arrowhead manor to silver pool to arch b:shocked

Man that sounds bad. Complete waste in my opinion, especially when most squads fail so badly the time saved is almost nothing. b:chuckle

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

I also stack them to save on teleport costs. But if I happen to not have them stacked, I teleport back and forth because I have other things I want to do and spending that much time flying isn't one of them.

Celestyna - Heavens Tear

only takes 2 days and you can be picking up every bh at one time like i mentioned before. you will save yourself a lot of hassel and money, and always be the first one there

Day #1 do BH1, dont turn it in (you loose bh2 and bh3 here)
Day #2 turn in the day before's bh1 .. now you have BH1 and BH2 from this day, do them dont turn them in (you loose bh3 for this day)
Day#3 and every day after that you turn in bh1/2 pick up 1/2/3 you can turn in 3 day of but save 1/2 til the following day

easy

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

I rarely do BH and when I do I stack them so I don't need to fly back and forth when doing it. And yea, I don't feel like waiting for someone to fly back when for 8k they can teleport directly to the instance. 8k is nothing, shouldn't be an issue of cost.

PsychoChickn - Dreamweaver

If you feel it costs to much to tele back and forth, then "stack" your BH. That way, you get to go in once, and then get the job done.

Look at it from their end. They stacked their BH missions, they are done with the first boss, and can either clear the path to the next one or sit on thier butts until you feel like showing up. If a party member is rude and self centered enough to insist on flying all the way to Arch and back as well as insist the rest of the party sit on their butts and get bored while waiting for the rude, self-centered player to arrive and grant permission to procede -- well, they may get booted. A party with "stacked" missions can clear BH 59 in less than 40 minutes. How long does it take you to fly to Arch and back twice? Feel lucky to run a cleared path to the boss. Sometimes, we had to wait so long for slowpokes to show up at Qianji that we killed every turtle in sight while waiting.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im doing the bh, right and they all tele back to the head hunter but i dont have enough coin for that so i say im gonna fly and while im still flying to plume my squad is already back in the instance clearing. would it be so hard for them to wait for me? back when i did bh59 on my archer we all flew to the head hunter and back.

why should they wait for you? to waste even more time? that way everybody saves some time.
if you feel bad then get some coins and tele or say to them from the beginning that you'll fly
after all, since you are a DD you speed up the process a lot

anyway, most people have done that, don't feel bad

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im doing the bh, right and they all tele back to the head hunter but i dont have enough coin for that so i say im gonna fly and while im still flying to plume my squad is already back in the instance clearing. would it be so hard for them to wait for me? back when i did bh59 on my archer we all flew to the head hunter and back.

I know im just a DD but it really makes me uncomfortable and nervous to see them running the instance again while im still in arch scraping up enough coin to tele back in. and im not there to get the drops which helps me afford to tele back in next time. idk maybe i should just come preapred with 60k teleporting funds next time -_-

If you can't afford to teleport to arch then back in, why don't you stop doiing BH and start making some money?

Honestly, I find it rude, selfish and disrespectful if someone flies to arch and flies back. I would either boot them out of party or do the rest of the BH without them.

So instead of porting, you want to hold everyone else back and make them wait... grats.

Themax - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

If you can't afford to teleport to arch then back in, why don't you stop doiing BH and start making some money?

Honestly, I find it rude, selfish and disrespectful if someone flies to arch and flies back. I would either boot them out of party or do the rest of the BH without them.

So instead of porting, you want to hold everyone else back and make them wait... grats.

Michael I agree with you fully but you need to take into consideration OPs level and class , at 70 you don't really have that much coin and not like she/he is needed in TT instances. b:bye

So I kind of understand where she/he is coming from , saying that she/he can not afford to teleport back and forth multiple times.

To OP - Once you start TTing it will get MUCH better , spending even 100 k per day on teleports will be nothing but a change which you wont even notice.

P.S. But yeah if you do not have coin for TP it is rather impolite to assume that WHOLE team will wait on you untill you fly to arch and back. I suggest make some coin and use teleport. hehe

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Man that sounds bad. Complete waste in my opinion, especially when most squads fail so badly the time saved is almost nothing. b:chuckle

When I ran grinding tests with a level 30 veno and cleric, they came out to about 150k/hr (cleric was about 170k/hr, but had mana pot costs which knocked it down to the same as the veno). Last time I tested with my veno at ~85, it was nearly 350k/hr.

By the time you're doing the BH with expensive teleports (59, 69, 79, 89), figure you can make 240k/hr grinding. That's 4k per minute. Each minute you waste running/flying instead of teleporting costs you 4k in potential earnings. If it takes you 3 min to fly from King's Feast to Plume, run through Cube, and run the extra distance (compared to the teleporters) from the exit pup to the head hunter, it's just cost you 12k. Teleports cost what, 5k to Arrowhead, 3k to Silverpool, 3k to Archo? That's only 11k to teleport.

Now multiply it by a full squad. If you have 5 other people waiting for you to finish flying, well now you've cost everyone a grand total of 72k. If you had teleported instead of flown, everyone could've finished faster, gone grinding in the extra time you saved, and made 72k. The time it takes a fail squad to complete the BH is irrelevant. If the squad is pro and finishes in 20 minutes, it wasted 4 minutes waiting for you to fly. If the squad is fail and finishes in 1 hour, it still wasted 4 minutes waiting for you to fly.

With very few exceptions, you do not save money by avoiding teleports. I've even started teleporting directly to Archo instead of using the Cube to save myself a minute of time. After you've played/lived long enough, you start to realize that the most valuable thing you have is time, not money. People get upset when you fly because you're basically saying, "My money (usually a measly ~10k) is more important than your time."

Dustins_ALT - Harshlands

Don't do BH if you don't have the money to tele. Plus BH only makes fails.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

This smacks of "I'm more important than you", doesn't it?

Is your 15k really so special to you that you can't teleport? And if you don't have 15k then I wonder what you're doing wrong because one hour of grinding is a very easy 200k for any class. (Making that an average of 3.3k a minute?) I won't do all the math because another poster has already done it, but if you can't spend ten minutes killing a few mobs that's honestly your problem.

The question isn't "Why must people insist on rushing?" but more "Why must people insist on slowing others down?"

Especially when it's been proven that it's in fact a waste of money not to teleport because of the time you force everybody to waste.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This smacks of "I'm more important than you", doesn't it?

Is your 15k really so special to you that you can't teleport? And if you don't have 15k then I wonder what you're doing wrong because one hour of grinding is a very easy 200k for any class. (Making that an average of 3.3k a minute?) I won't do all the math because another poster has already done it, but if you can't spend ten minutes killing a few mobs that's honestly your problem.

The question isn't "Why must people insist on rushing?" but more "Why must people insist on slowing others down?"

Especially when it's been proven that it's in fact a waste of money not to teleport because of the time you force everybody to waste.

Well, mostly because there is often another one who doesn't teleport. I can't just go change a squad since it usually takes very long to find a squad at all.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, mostly because there is often another one who doesn't teleport. I can't just go change a squad since it usually takes very long to find a squad at all.

Back when BH was a "new feature" - everybody flew to Arch and flew back. Well, a few would fly to Arch and teleport, but eh.

These days it's common practise to teleport there and teleport back to save the squad time and, surprisingly, money.

If you can't teleport, save up some coin. There are people in the world who won't wait for you to get back because it shouldn't be hard to spare 20k to go to Arch, grab your next BH and then come back. Hell, you could even stack your BHs and then you wouldn't need to teleport.

In the end, no matter how you swing this, it's reluctance and laziness on the part of those who don't teleport and insists on flying. Whether it's because they're too lazy to grind a few thousand coin or too lazy to stack their BHs, they make other people wait when there is no need to. Nobody should have to wait just because you don't use either of the two viable fixes you have to this 'problem'.

Teny - Heavens Tear

Rushing the instance -> Cheap alternative to wining.
Rushing in general -> To get things done faster, of course if you're left behind they're tools and you shouldn't run with them.

Genesis - Lost City

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im doing the bh, right and they all tele back to the head hunter but i dont have enough coin for that so i say im gonna fly and while im still flying to plume my squad is already back in the instance clearing. would it be so hard for them to wait for me? back when i did bh59 on my archer we all flew to the head hunter and back.

I know im just a DD but it really makes me uncomfortable and nervous to see them running the instance again while im still in arch scraping up enough coin to tele back in. and im not there to get the drops which helps me afford to tele back in next time. idk maybe i should just come preapred with 60k teleporting funds next time -_-

This is one of my pet hates. Everyone pays to tele then one person is like "drrrrrrrrrr I have no monies so everyone can wait 10 min for me to fly".

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

If you don't have enough coin to do BH (Including TP/repair/potential wines/whatever else), then don't do BH.

/Endthread

FoxyCleo - Raging Tide

i see you're in deep *****. i was in your shoes before the event started, because i just didnt care much about money and also leveled 3 chars simultanously - 2 only via BHs and CSs, while my main also did quests.
you see, my cash was going down constantly to a point where i had to sell stuff id rather have kept for later, and then i had to stop leveling 2 of the chars completely.

doing CSs and BHs is nice. they provide you with XP, which gives you the opportunity to do more lucrative things. the bad thing is this: it takes money to make money!
make a decision. find some way to generate cash. stop CS/BH now. set a threshold you don't undercut, ever. if it looks like you'll do so soon, stop CS/BH again. seriously.

you can't go on like this. it will lead you nowhere. i see broke chars left and right, had a barb running in broken gears coz they didn't have money to repair. soon you'll reach the point where you have to make a new char for grinding because the assassin can't grind anymore after you couldn't afford rep costs. don't do that to you. don't ruin the fun. grind an hour every day or do quests or whatever makes you money.

Alliptica - Raging Tide

okie foxy lets go for a grind ^^

RawDawg - Heavens Tear

Honestly, it's 2010, if you ain't picking up your BHs in a lump sum then:

TigerLily - Lost City

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im doing the bh, right and they all tele back to the head hunter but i dont have enough coin for that so i say im gonna fly and while im still flying to plume my squad is already back in the instance clearing. would it be so hard for them to wait for me? back when i did bh59 on my archer we all flew to the head hunter and back.

I know im just a DD but it really makes me uncomfortable and nervous to see them running the instance again while im still in arch scraping up enough coin to tele back in. and im not there to get the drops which helps me afford to tele back in next time. idk maybe i should just come preapred with 60k teleporting funds next time -_-

If you dont have coins to teleport during a BHs you should tell the squad before you start, than they can choose if they wanna bring you or not.

Expecting people with limited play time to wait 10 min every time you have to get back and forth to Arch is rather rude actually. Some people have work + classes and not that much time to play everyday. Than having to wait for people that needs to fly back and forth to head hunter 2-3 times, its a lot of play time when you think about it.

Try see it from their perspective. You're kinda leeching, they are clearing the entire instance while you just fly to save money, than showing up just in time to get credit for the boss lol

If do BHs for my lower lvl alts i normally dont even wait for people that fly, i just go back and clear and kill the boss. If they cant hurry the hell up to bad.

Icingdeath - Dreamweaver

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im doing the bh, right and they all tele back to the head hunter but i dont have enough coin for that so i say im gonna fly and while im still flying to plume my squad is already back in the instance clearing. would it be so hard for them to wait for me? back when i did bh59 on my archer we all flew to the head hunter and back.

I know im just a DD but it really makes me uncomfortable and nervous to see them running the instance again while im still in arch scraping up enough coin to tele back in. and im not there to get the drops which helps me afford to tele back in next time. idk maybe i should just come preapred with 60k teleporting funds next time -_-

you're squading with the wrong people my faction waits for anyone in squad to turn in and fly back as long as you let us know and dont abuse it by doing 50 other things while we wait.