Barbarian's Skills must be change

EarlViraj - Dreamweaver

As a lvl 100 Barbarian i am tired with the total skill combination compared to all the other classes.
I feel that barbarian need very powerful stun or long lasting anti-stun.
e.g: 1: Stun : Mighty Swing has only 50% chance to stun (Demon 60%)
2: Anti-stun : Violent Triumph (last for only 10 seconds & cool down 60 seconds)

Compared to Blade Masters and most of the other classes they have morethan 2 Stuns or freeze ( BM has 3 more).

BM can keep stun until the Barbarian died( When PK).
And also most of the Barbs skills are debuff themselves ( eg: Blood bath & Armageddon reduce the max HP & Invoke reduce speed)

When compared the all weapons Barbs can only use Axe & Hammers. They are the weakest weapon type. Because,
Archers Range weapons: Why rangers have more damage even they do not go near target.
Magic weapons : All of them have lots of damage more than Axe & Hammers and they r also range weapons.
Fist/ Claw : Attack rate is very high & lots of Critical

So what Barbs can do with Axe & Hammer with out any Stun or High Damage, specially barbs are not range attackers.

I don't understand why Game Designers can not understand this simple reality that melee attackers need more damageable weapons than rangers.

So i feel barbs are just for Tanking & at the End Game Barbs become useless ( only supportive meat shield for TWs and TTs) b:angry

Considering all the above factors please review the Barbarin skills and try to make all the barberians happy. b:pleased

Thanks

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

So i feel barbs are just for Tanking & at the End Game Barbs become useless ( only supportive meat shield for TWs and TTs)

YES
/facepalm

Go roll a DD if you want pew pew & do dmg

Apocalypto - Dreamweaver

earl i like you bro, but if ranged classes do more damages, its because we dont have 16k+ HP at lvl 100 lol (4150 for me atm b:shocked)

im a wiz, so i do more damages than you, but on HA or LA only, a barb can kill a mag char in few hits if you stun him, so why add more stuns? lol

i did some duels against barbs and its 50% 50%

EarlViraj - Dreamweaver

a barb can kill a mag char in few hits if you stun him, so why add more stuns?

Thats what i am talking about, Barbs stun has only 50% chance.

And u talking about 16K +HP, and what i can do with 16K hp when Wizard or Mag classes do 7K+ Damage shots on me ?

I am just playing this Barb becoz i don't have other choice i made him lvl 100.

saphire1960

yeah cause you know all those skills in barb form are just useless right you know the whole freeze and demon roar that reflects 100% damage (more then a veno's bramble) if you dont like being a barb simple solution reroll its not that hard to make 100 anymore.

Darach - Dreamweaver

I dunno - i'm a barb and I wish that I had a little bit more damage myself. Sure the hp is nice, helps you stay alive - but stuns, range damage, and casters are all a pain for a barb. All that hp does in those cases is means we get a few hits in before we die. I'm not complaining or anything - I really enjoy my barb, but lets face it - pvp a barb just fails it's more of a pve toon for whatever reason. A little more damage couldn't hurt for the pve tanking end of things either ^^

Apocalypto - Dreamweaver

well earl 7k+ damages on 1 hit, this wiz would have a TT100+10 or used demon/sage spark or critic, if a barb has a weap like that im sure he can do a lot of damages too on a cleric,veno or wiz (and even on archers)

TigerLily - Lost City

EarlViraj - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As a lvl 100 Barbarian i am tired with the total skill combination compared to all the other classes.
I feel that barbarian need very powerful stun or long lasting anti-stun.
e.g: 1: Stun : Mighty Swing has only 50% chance to stun (Demon 60%)
2: Anti-stun : Violent Triumph (last for only 10 seconds & cool down 60 seconds)

Compared to Blade Masters and most of the other classes they have morethan 2 Stuns or freeze ( BM has 3 more).

BM can keep stun until the Barbarian died( When PK).
And also most of the Barbs skills are debuff themselves ( eg: Blood bath & Armageddon reduce the max HP & Invoke reduce speed)

When compared the all weapons Barbs can only use Axe & Hammers. They are the weakest weapon type. Because,
Archers Range weapons: Why rangers have more damage even they do not go near target.
Magic weapons : All of them have lots of damage more than Axe & Hammers and they r also range weapons.
Fist/ Claw : Attack rate is very high & lots of Critical

So what Barbs can do with Axe & Hammer with out any Stun or High Damage, specially barbs are not range attackers.

I don't understand why Game Designers can not understand this simple reality that melee attackers need more damageable weapons than rangers.

So i feel barbs are just for Tanking & at the End Game Barbs become useless ( only supportive meat shield for TWs and TTs) b:angry

Considering all the above factors please review the Barbarin skills and try to make all the barberians happy. b:pleased

Thanks

Did you Hyper Frost from 90-100 in 3 weeks...

Learn to use Occult Ice like all the other barbs. And yes it pretty much always procs if you have a strength build genie. Strongest pvp-ers on Lost city are mainly barbs. Reason why barbs dont have many stuns is the same as why wizards lack them, it would be pretty unbalanced.

You have a skill that will 1 shoot any player if you zerk or crit.
You have far more hp and higher survivability than any other class
If you where clever enough to go demon you will have a skill that adds 35% crit - Onslaught also hurts like freaking hell anyhow.
You have a 35-45 % armor break that stacks with tangling mire
You will have access to a skill that debuffs opponent at lvl 100
You also have anti stun skill at 79

Barb is pretty much the best endgame pvp-class together with heavily cash shopped wizards. Barbs are impossible to kill 1v1 and has insane spike dmg. And you complain about lacking stuns lol

ZoanoAce - Lost City

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Did you Hyper Frost from 90-100 in 3 weeks...

Learn to use Occult Ice like all the other barbs. And yes it pretty much always procs if you have a strength build genie. Strongest pvp-ers on Lost city are mainly barbs. Reason why barbs dont have many stuns is the same as why wizards lack them, it would be pretty unbalanced.

You have a skill that will 1 shoot any player if you zerk or crit.
You have far more hp and higher survivability than any other class
If you where clever enough to go demon you will have a skill that adds 35% crit - Onslaught also hurts like freaking hell anyhow.
You have a 35-45 % armor break that stacks with tangling mire
You will have access to a skill that debuffs opponent at lvl 100
You also have anti stun skill at 79

Barb is pretty much the best endgame pvp-class together with heavily cash shopped wizards. Barbs are impossible to kill 1v1 and has insane spike dmg. And you complain about lacking stuns lol

*clears throat* This ^b:surrenderb:surrenderb:surrender ^

Apocalypto - Dreamweaver

well TigerLily, demon barb have more critic; but sage barb buff (atak one) is a lot better than demon one, so they do more damages each hit (and with sage mastery too) so i dont know if demon barb are really better

anyway earl, stop say barbs are noob in pvp, they are the ones who beat me, cause they have many hp,its very hard for me to kill them (yes i dont use a TT100 refine +10 or lunar weap refine +10),and i kill archers or bms a lot easier, (usualy 3 shot archers) and maybe you cant beat bms, but they are HA, its almost same situation for me against a cleric

each class have advantages and disadvantages b:surrender

kmilord

if u dont notice it u no are a DD class, the bm, wiz and archers are, u have 16k hp, + a charm make u unstopable in the most of cases, that with out mention u will 1 hit a wiz or a any arcane build the most of times, plus u are faster than the most of players in tiger mode, that with out mention u have 50% speed in water, so u no are slow, and why u complaint about the bm if u phy def dmg reduction for the most of players in game (phy dmg dealer) must be around 87% or even more, if u dont want be ganged for mag class,do a LA build barb, that one is for pvp, imagine that lot of HP more the ventages of be LA crits and defs, dont cry and go do a LA

Shyachi - Heavens Tear

i Lol'd when i read this, Barbs are OP already. the only class i ever lose to on a regular basis are Psy (they were made JUST to stop us XD). On top of that we have naturally more HP then any other class, so if you don't want to go LA built, just stop hp sharding everything and put sapphire shards. 70% of my gears have mag def shards, to prevent most mag dmg as i can.
and sure we don't have as many stuns, but we're the only class with 2-3 100% accuracy attacks, that = most arcane and LA classes dead in a few hits, if you can time your mighty swing and change to tiger for FR, that kind of dmg stacks really fast on low HP toons.
Also on top of that, if you wanna PvP stop throwing in only vit, put some dex in there too so that archers aren't ALWAYS hitting you, if you can dodge a few hits here and there it makes up for your 50% stuns.

Believe me Barbs are more OP in PvP then you think. rethink a better build or roll BM imo

Furries - Dreamweaver

if i was going to change barb skills, i would make both 79 skills use able in both forms.

honestly why give us a movement debuff that isn't available in tiger form?

if in ganna be moving.. im ganna move in tiger form where i go practically twice as fast.

And while it is definitely nice to have a aoe aggro skill in human form (untamed wrath) there is no reason to exclude it from tiger form where we will be doing most of our tanking anyways

veno's have 79 skill for both forms... why cant we

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if i was going to change barb skills, i would make both 79 skills use able in both forms.

honestly why give us a movement debuff that isn't available in tiger form?

if in ganna be moving.. im ganna move in tiger form where i go practically twice as fast.

And while it is definitely nice to have a aoe aggro skill in human form (untamed wrath) there is no reason to exclude it from tiger form where we will be doing most of our tanking anyways

veno's have 79 skill for both forms... why cant we

mmm no, veno's level 79 skills are for one form only.

One is a 20% chance AOE debuff -> fox form
One is 20% chance single target debuff -> human form
One is a 10 secs immunity -> human form

EarlViraj - Dreamweaver

TigerLily - Lost City saying,

Did you Hyper Frost from 90-100 in 3 weeks...

Learn to use Occult Ice like all the other barbs. And yes it pretty much always procs if you have a strength build genie. Strongest pvp-ers on Lost city are mainly barbs. Reason why barbs dont have many stuns is the same as why wizards lack them, it would be pretty unbalanced.

You have a skill that will 1 shoot any player if you zerk or crit.
You have far more hp and higher survivability than any other class
If you where clever enough to go demon you will have a skill that adds 35% crit - Onslaught also hurts like freaking hell anyhow.
You have a 35-45 % armor break that stacks with tangling mire
You will have access to a skill that debuffs opponent at lvl 100
You also have anti stun skill at 79

Barb is pretty much the best endgame pvp-class together with heavily cash shopped wizards. Barbs are impossible to kill 1v1 and has insane spike dmg. And you complain about lacking stuns lol

lol hyper is good for FC noobs but don,t make me angree i am Delta + Fc barb and not a noob.

And also i make this post by making 3 Charactors on my Account.
1. Barb
2. BM
3. Archer

Still i am saying there is something wrong in barb build.

and Shyachi - Heavens Tear said,

i Lol'd when i read this, Barbs are OP already. the only class i ever lose to on a regular basis are Psy (they were made JUST to stop us XD). On top of that we have naturally more HP then any other class, so if you don't want to go LA built, just stop hp sharding everything and put sapphire shards. 70% of my gears have mag def shards, to prevent most mag dmg as i can.
and sure we don't have as many stuns, but we're the only class with 2-3 100% accuracy attacks, that = most arcane and LA classes dead in a few hits, if you can time your mighty swing and change to tiger for FR, that kind of dmg stacks really fast on low HP toons.
Also on top of that, if you wanna PvP stop throwing in only vit, put some dex in there too so that archers aren't ALWAYS hitting you, if you can dodge a few hits here and there it makes up for your 50% stuns.

Believe me Barbs are more OP in PvP then you think. rethink a better build or roll BM imo

Barbs over powered, lol

u ll find out that when u reach lvl 100
Good luck guys

Untamedchaos - Sanctuary

Honestly now guys, don't talk about barbs power if you haven't rolled one. The only way for us to even compare in damage is to use demon/sage spark or Armageddon lvl 10/celestial with mass hp.

Meursault - Dreamweaver

This request would actually make a bit of sense...







if genies didn't exist.

Hazumu - Dreamweaver

Barbs are definately good enough as they are now. As a cleric, I don't have as high spike damage as a wiz, although we have the same defense and HP. The only thing going for clerics is their healing, but if you get the cleric stunned, they are quite likely a goner. Barb stun isn't as bad as BM stun, or sin stun (Sins are definately OP) so it's gonna still be a struggle for a cleric to recover after the stun wears off.

And yes, I know, a cleric CAN beat a barb fairly easily even. But it also goes otherway around.

I also quite often see Barbs beating BM's. It seems to be really hard for BM's to whack away on those kitties....

Sakuba - Harshlands

+1 on the request.

I actually quit my 96 barb cause of lame skills...I dont QQ over the damage, that was fine.
But the attack skills are more or less all the same
Every other class lets u get nice different tactics...barbs don't.
Plain boring **** skills.

CornHilario - Heavens Tear

Sakuba - Harshlands wrote: »

Every other class lets u get nice different tactics...barbs don't.
Plain boring **** skills.

LOL u should lookit the venos. that one(and only) thing they do where their hands go in the air and lift up one leg, then some puddle appears under them and they shoot a missile.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Sakuba - Harshlands wrote: »

+1 on the request.

I actually quit my 96 barb cause of lame skills...I dont QQ over the damage, that was fine.
But the attack skills are more or less all the same
Every other class lets u get nice different tactics...barbs don't.
Plain boring **** skills.

Nice QQ and nice necro

Barbs are more of a PVE class, aggro skills aren't meant for PVP. b:bye .

CornHilario - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LOL u should lookit the venos. that one(and only) thing they do where their hands go in the air and lift up one leg, then some puddle appears under them and they shoot a missile.

Lol wth?

Maddieson - Sanctuary

EarlViraj - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Compared to Blade Masters and most of the other classes they have morethan 2 Stuns or freeze ( BM has 3 more).

Venos have a stun in caster that lasts no more than two seconds.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

EarlViraj - Dreamweaver wrote: »

u ll find out that when u reach lvl 100
Good luck guys

Yeah, when you hit 100 and reach your final culitvatoin, you can get a skill which completely debuffs an opponent. Armageddon is one of the most broken skills in the game. Onslaught hurts like hell, you are able to invoke...

The only thing I think needs to be done is that the threat generating/holding skills need to be increased due to highly refined archers and fist BMs. Barbs can no longer hold aggro at end-game.

That is what needs to be fixed, everything else is just fine.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Yeah, when you hit 100 and reach your final culitvatoin, you can get a skill which completely debuffs an opponent. Armageddon is one of the most broken skills in the game. Onslaught hurts like hell, you are able to invoke...

The only thing I think needs to be done is that the threat generating/holding skills need to be increased due to highly refined archers and fist BMs. Barbs can no longer hold aggro at end-game.

That is what needs to be fixed, everything else is just fine.

Veno completely debuffs opponents no?

Second, I rather use my maxed stomp of the beast king to damage than armageddon, not only that it costs half HP and MP, it can miss AND it requires some channeling. If you don't defend it with spark, thats your fault if you don't block it. I think demon emberstorm (if it really does stun) is better than armageddon, you get to control how much HP you consume at least and wiz can channel emberstorm faster than barbs doing arma. If you will just be a dummy and just let Arma hit you, then that is bad tactics.

Onslaught is epic for barbs true, really good damaging skill

I wish my barb have invoke... b:sad and sunder too b:cry

Asperitas - Lost City

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Veno completely debuffs opponents no?

Second, I rather use my maxed stomp of the beast king to damage than armageddon, not only that it costs half HP and MP, it can miss AND it requires some channeling. If you don't defend it with spark, thats your fault if you don't block it. I think demon emberstorm (if it really does stun) is better than armageddon, you get to control how much HP you consume at least and wiz can channel emberstorm faster than barbs doing arma. If you will just be a dummy and just let Arma hit you, then that is bad tactics.

Onslaught is epic for barbs true, really good damaging skill

I wish my barb have invoke... b:sad and sunder too b:cry

How often are you able to break through people's charm with stomp of the beast king? Oh wait you don't PVP.

CornHilario - Heavens Tear

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

How often are you able to break through people's charm with stomp of the beast king? Oh wait you don't PVP.

how would u know if he does or doesnt? i sense mind-reading voodoo magics present.

Rasgore - Harshlands

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Barbs are definately good enough as they are now. As a cleric, I don't have as high spike damage as a wiz, although we have the same defense and HP. The only thing going for clerics is their healing, but if you get the cleric stunned, they are quite likely a goner. Barb stun isn't as bad as BM stun, or sin stun (Sins are definately OP) so it's gonna still be a struggle for a cleric to recover after the stun wears off.

And yes, I know, a cleric CAN beat a barb fairly easily even. But it also goes otherway around.

I also quite often see Barbs beating BM's. It seems to be really hard for BM's to whack away on those kitties....

barbs are the best my barb is just lvl 68 with normal armore from blacksmith and skeletal ake and i killed a lvl 82 cleric just buy using stun outsluth slam and stomp with only 1 k hp remaining and the cleric was well geard /with catshop gear so wat do u have to say about that ?

Wenomus - Dreamweaver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWeWMKfa3g

Night_Wind_ - Lost City

Rasgore - Harshlands wrote: »

barbs are the best my barb is just lvl 68 with normal armore from blacksmith and skeletal ake and i killed a lvl 82 cleric just buy using stun outsluth slam and stomp with only 1 k hp remaining and the cleric was well geard /with catshop gear so wat do u have to say about that ?

The cleric didn't know how to play his class? b:puzzled

Or maybe he used plume shot against you,instead of WT and Great Cyclone.