Yes, sins' can aoe >.>;
Azzazin - Dreamweaver
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And it just keeps getting easier.
If you, like me, have wondered about ways to aoe, you may have come up with some various combos. Perhaps you tried subsea strike > earthen rift (our 2 aoes), and were dismayed that you couldn't kill mobs fast enough with them. Even double sparked, they don't quite do enough dmg to mobs @ your lvl; mobs often left w/ 50% hp, and they keep whaling on you. No can do.
If, then, you realized that, we have a skill to increase crit rate, you may have eventually come upon this combo (used with tangling mire for greatest effect; can do 4-8 mobs):
1) buff w/ wolf emblem & focused mind
2) windpush & gather mobs
3) double spark
4) inner harmony
5) power dash
6) rising dragon
7) subsea strike
8) earthen rift
9) tab between surviving mobs
As long as one takes the time to get bms/cleric or barb buffs (2/3 at least) this can be done w/ 4-8 mobs without dying... don't count on no charm ticks though. To recover hp and chi, find a mob, immobile with tackling slash, and stand inside it to kill with normal attacks. I do hope that isn't news to you!
Annnnd then came triple spark. Substitute a triple spark for a double in the above combo, and it becomes ridiculously easy. I can, confidently say, that I aoe just as well as a bms. The key is this: after your 2 aoes have gone off (hoping that they crit & 2-shot the mobs), triple spark lasts 15 seconds, not 10. That means, when you are tabbing between surviving mobs, triple spark is still in. 1-2 hits per mob, tab tab tab, and then you are happily looking @ mountain of loot.
Typical aoe looks like this:
Round up mobs-->triple spark (hp jumps back to full) --> proceed with combo... mobs knock down hp 1-2k dmg (hence why charm is bad idea... wasted) ---> subsea hits & hp jumps back to almost full --->second aoe hits and hp drops & raises again... -->hp lowers & then recovers a bit as you tab through mobs.
NO LIE. During 2x events, @ spiders, I was making 500k/hour aoeing, with minimal mana, and gear repair costs. No, I was not even using tangling mire (genie skill). The mobs die so fast, its simply overkill. Yes, my weapon is decent, but not exceptionally refined/sharded: this is a combo any decently geared 'sin can pull off.
Good luck!
-Azzazin
If you, like me, have wondered about ways to aoe, you may have come up with some various combos. Perhaps you tried subsea strike > earthen rift (our 2 aoes), and were dismayed that you couldn't kill mobs fast enough with them. Even double sparked, they don't quite do enough dmg to mobs @ your lvl; mobs often left w/ 50% hp, and they keep whaling on you. No can do.
If, then, you realized that, we have a skill to increase crit rate, you may have eventually come upon this combo (used with tangling mire for greatest effect; can do 4-8 mobs):
1) buff w/ wolf emblem & focused mind
2) windpush & gather mobs
3) double spark
4) inner harmony
5) power dash
6) rising dragon
7) subsea strike
8) earthen rift
9) tab between surviving mobs
As long as one takes the time to get bms/cleric or barb buffs (2/3 at least) this can be done w/ 4-8 mobs without dying... don't count on no charm ticks though. To recover hp and chi, find a mob, immobile with tackling slash, and stand inside it to kill with normal attacks. I do hope that isn't news to you!
Annnnd then came triple spark. Substitute a triple spark for a double in the above combo, and it becomes ridiculously easy. I can, confidently say, that I aoe just as well as a bms. The key is this: after your 2 aoes have gone off (hoping that they crit & 2-shot the mobs), triple spark lasts 15 seconds, not 10. That means, when you are tabbing between surviving mobs, triple spark is still in. 1-2 hits per mob, tab tab tab, and then you are happily looking @ mountain of loot.
Typical aoe looks like this:
Round up mobs-->triple spark (hp jumps back to full) --> proceed with combo... mobs knock down hp 1-2k dmg (hence why charm is bad idea... wasted) ---> subsea hits & hp jumps back to almost full --->second aoe hits and hp drops & raises again... -->hp lowers & then recovers a bit as you tab through mobs.
NO LIE. During 2x events, @ spiders, I was making 500k/hour aoeing, with minimal mana, and gear repair costs. No, I was not even using tangling mire (genie skill). The mobs die so fast, its simply overkill. Yes, my weapon is decent, but not exceptionally refined/sharded: this is a combo any decently geared 'sin can pull off.
Good luck!
-Azzazin
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Tried your way, target monster died on RDS, then I died.
Killermate impresses me once again with her method though. It works 100%.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Dysk is my tasty chimichanga.
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Yes assassins can aoe but my point is its totally worthless.
Why? Hard charm cost + 90 sec CD on focused mind (so have to wait for it each aoe session) = really no good payment from aoe grinding.
I can kill 7 maybe 8 lvl 89 spiders on one run then i wait for focused mind to come back. That costs me 1 or 2 (or even 3 hp charm ticks).
During 90 seconds i can kill 6 of the same spiders without any charm ticks.
Ok we have aoe but im really sorry to say we are definitely not an axe bm or a veno with herc.
Our aoe here in order not to feel useless in RB/FCC (i dont know lunar or nirvana) but not for aoe grinding.
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I have tried aoeing with chill of the deep, but I dislike it for a few reasons. Namely, because of increased life/increased def mobs. When you rip through the aoes, and all mobs die... except for the increased life/increased def ones, then chill becomes a pain & mana waste, cuz the only way to kill them fast is to spam skills. Furthermore, while waiting for focused mind/getting chi back up, you have to spam skills to kill a few mobs 1 by 1. More mana waste... and thats not how I like to make $, by using tons of mana pots. Normal attacks kill as fast/faster (interval gear, hooray), and only a bit of gear dmg, less costly than using a mana pot per every 1 or 2 mobs.
Aoe w/ bramble rage works really well of too, naturally. However, I tend to not want to use my genie unnecessarily. In the case of bramble rage, it uses a ton of energy and a ton of stamina; if for some reason you need a quick heal (second wind, or tree of protection) from genie... oops, you can't do it, no energy. If you must use a genie skill, at least tangling mire only uses 40, so second wind can be fitted in afterwards if you wish.
As for charm ticks... agree with you 100%. I don't aoe with a charm... it just gets wasted. Try aoeing when you don't have a charm, and for heaven's sake, get at least bms/cleric buffs beforehand, lol! Remember, before each aoe your hp drops, and then the aoe shoots it back up again. Blood paint, ftw!
However, I disagree with your #s; when you go do your aoe, maybe it takes 10-20 seconds to aoe the mobs. At least, thats how it works for me. Then, I go kill about 4 mobs until focused is back. That works out to 13-14 mobs. You yourself said, in 90 seconds you killed 6 mobs 1 by 1. So clearly, aoe is faster.
I'll see if I can get a video made of my aoe tactics. Clearly nothing less will convince the skeptical, lol.
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You can always log a lowbie cleric on a different computer to heal yourself, thats what i do if i aoe grind. Assassins doesn't have aoe-stun + terrible phy def so at some point your charm will tick or you might even die unless you're spamming those lvl 75 event pots.
I also normally use the genie skill earthquake somewhere in between. Doesnt do much dmg but pushing back a few mobs that didn't die from the 2 aoe skills is rather useful. Also you tend to get interrupted sometimes when trying to use subsea/rift, than earthquake is rather useful to. Its also very good when you're gathering mobs and dont wanna loose agro, or you can have a veno bramble you.0 -
Azzazin - Dreamweaver wrote: »Aoe w/ bramble rage works really well of too, naturally. However, I tend to not want to use my genie unnecessarily. In the case of bramble rage, it uses a ton of energy and a ton of stamina; if for some reason you need a quick heal (second wind, or tree of protection) from genie... oops, you can't do it, no energy. If you must use a genie skill, at least tangling mire only uses 40, so second wind can be fitted in afterwards if you wish.
-Azzazin
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Wow, i see ppl gets the wrong idea here in some points about AoE.
Solo AoE = Basically, fastest way to level. Which means you do sacrifice a bit of money in order to have the edge on leveling or at least to expend the less amount of time doing so.
At no point AoE has been a method to make coins, not even for BMs.
I think ill make a new AoE video and display something all of you would enjoy. BRB in a while b:laugh0 -
Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »Wow, i see ppl gets the wrong idea here in some points about AoE.
Solo AoE = Basically, fastest way to level. Which means you do sacrifice a bit of money in order to have the edge on leveling or at least to expend the less amount of time doing so.
At no point AoE has been a method to make coins, not even for BMs.
I think ill make a new AoE video and display something all of you would enjoy. BRB in a while b:laugh
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Ok im back. Made this video very quick so don't ask for too much. b:cute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qshVMCMeCA
For those that have trouble getting into FC squads, this place is second best way to level.
Agro all mobs → Activate Hyper & AoE til' mobs die → Pause, gather chi/genie energy.
This place is by far the best spot to AoE for any class that can manage to AoE. Most of the time you will make back the money for hyper from mere drops if you do decide to go there.
See ya'll at 100 b:bye0 -
Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »Ok im back. Made this video very quick so don't ask for too much. b:cute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qshVMCMeCA
For those that have trouble getting into FC squads, this place is second best way to level.
Agro all mobs → Activate Hyper & AoE til' mobs die → Pause, gather chi/genie energy.
This place is by far the best spot to AoE for any class that can manage to AoE. Most of the time you will make back the money for hyper from mere drops if you do decide to go there.
See ya'll at 100 b:bye
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That, killermate, is amazing! However, if I tried that I would surely die
I think, so would most sins ^, so gear is certainly a factor if you are going to try to aoe so many mobs at once. However... completely proves my post: 'sins can aoe'.
Cheers,
Azzazin[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Azzazin - Dreamweaver wrote: »That, killermate, is amazing! However, if I tried that I would surely die
I think, so would most sins ^, so gear is certainly a factor if you are going to try to aoe so many mobs at once. However... completely proves my post: 'sins can aoe'.
Cheers,
Azzazin
Lol, I only died using your method 'cause using individual damage skills wouldn't keep me alive against a mob of 10+. I've opted to use Killermate's method demonstrated in both PvE AoE videos and it's worked wonders. Although, until I hit 95ish, I will probably die trying to take on that many mobs. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »Lol, I only died using your method 'cause using individual damage skills wouldn't keep me alive against a mob of 10+. I've opted to use Killermate's method demonstrated in both PvE AoE videos and it's worked wonders. Although, until I hit 95ish, I will probably die trying to take on that many mobs. b:chuckle
he pulled more because he could handle more. you could easily take a smaller group and not even need a charm. was pretty epic to see though b:chuckleI hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington0 -
Trawne - Lost City wrote: »he pulled more because he could handle more. you could easily take a smaller group and not even need a charm. was pretty epic to see though b:chuckle
Too true. And indeed it was, I found myself replaying it because the epic music made it that much moar epic. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »Wow, i see ppl gets the wrong idea here in some points about AoE.
Solo AoE = Basically, fastest way to level. Which means you do sacrifice a bit of money in order to have the edge on leveling or at least to expend the less amount of time doing so.
At no point AoE has been a method to make coins, not even for BMs.
I think ill make a new AoE video and display something all of you would enjoy. BRB in a while b:laugh
5 concentrate orbs 40k or 15 mins of time
charm box free
geni energy for emergency TOP about 10k
repairs 20k-25k
average drops 400k in that 50 mins
so no we cannot make 300k an hour in normal drops aoeing at all this is sillynessb:sad
mobs in that area hold a lot of hate and litteraly hit for 100 on em through LA so thats pretty standard aoe tactics even for archersGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »5 concentrate orbs 40k or 15 mins of time
charm box free
geni energy for emergency TOP about 10k
repairs 20k-25k
average drops 400k in that 50 mins
so no we cannot make 300k an hour in normal drops aoeing at all this is sillynessb:sad
mobs in that area hold a lot of hate and litteraly hit for 100 on em through LA so thats pretty standard aoe tactics even for archers
really? when i do stuff like this it costs me.... repairs only
learn what you can handle and dont pull more b:victoryI hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington0 -
Trawne - Lost City wrote: »really? when i do stuff like this it costs me.... repairs only
learn what you can handle and dont pull more b:victory
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Trawne - Lost City wrote: »really? when i do stuff like this it costs me.... repairs only
learn what you can handle and dont pull more b:victory
mar?
the hell? my average pull is the entire spawn of cheif assasins....and it still feels like i need moar to kill >:3
roar>aoe spam>sutra>aoe spam>bathe in pile of cash
now i dun know about you but the MP for these skills has gotta come from somewhere...so may i ask how your magicly getting this back?Gifs are hard to make work here0 -
If you take a close look i didn't bother to get BM/Cleric/barb buffs which would make things a lot easier for ppl that decide to go AoE at 90.
Also, that place does give you enough money to pay back repair and most of the hyper.
i used to make 400~550K an hour from drops back when it just leveled from Exp scrolls, so im guessing that money would go a lot higher if you do this with hyper.
1 Hour of hyper = 2 hours+ of AoE. Since you just need to activate it during the AoE'ing.
During 2X event i know of ppl that went there AoE(non-stop) and they would get ~1M an hour from DQ/Drops/Coins.
Pick the coins up. 400~890 coins per mob it's rather good when you can kill like 20 of them at once.0 -
very nice vid very good indeedb:victoryCollector of pet eggs, armor, weapons, fashion, and mountsb:chuckle0
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Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »mar?
the hell? my average pull is the entire spawn of cheif assasins....and it still feels like i need moar to kill >:3
roar>aoe spam>sutra>aoe spam>bathe in pile of cash
now i dun know about you but the MP for these skills has gotta come from somewhere...so may i ask how your magicly getting this back?
cape of tauran chief + nature's breath amulet +1 base= 11MP/sec
all i need to aoe some mobs and take a short rest for timersI hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington0 -
Trawne - Lost City wrote: »cape of tauran chief + nature's breath amulet +1 base= 11MP/sec
all i need to aoe some mobs and take a short rest for timers
burns me entire mp pool per wave if everthing goes perfect and there are no + life and i neve miss otherwise would use more than my normal pool
assuming your bm is 80ish
1.4k mp pool/22 regen per sec meditating= about 60 seconds of meding
pull round and kill takes about 40 seconds per group
you spend more than 1/2 your time meditating
would lower your take per hour to about 200k in ideal situations
so the bm killing with mana regen apoths makes more even with his slighly increased costGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »burns me entire mp pool per wave if everthing goes perfect and there are no + life and i neve miss otherwise would use more than my normal pool
assuming your bm is 80ish
1.4k mp pool/22 regen per sec meditating= about 60 seconds of meding
pull round and kill takes about 40 seconds per group
you spend more than 1/2 your time meditating
would lower your take per hour to about 200k in ideal situations
so the bm killing with mana regen apoths makes more even with his slighly increased cost
i guess your bm uses more mana than my sin
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Wow Sins can AOE...b:lipcurl
Just wait for it ppl.....soon they will be able to tank.....and heal....and sprout wings outta nowhere.....and get a phoenix+herc....
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brownflamer wrote: »Wow Sins can AOE...b:lipcurl
Just wait for it ppl.....soon they will be able to tank.....and heal....and sprout wings outta nowhere.....and get a phoenix+herc....
/sarcasm
my sin tanks
he kinda self heals...and indirectly heals bm's/barbs"b:puzzled
he has wings b:surprised
and a pet...chicken b:chuckleI hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington0 -
my apologies if its bothersome but i need to find a fast way to lvl at the lowly 57 if anyone could help me0
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Trawne - Lost City wrote: »my sin tanks
he kinda self heals...and indirectly heals bm's/barbs"b:puzzled
he has wings b:surprised
and a pet...chicken b:chuckle
My predictions came true b:shockedPS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous0
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