Wrong element?

FapFapFap - Raging Tide

Since the patch I recognized that the fire-element boss in fc (huge nix) reacts to my skills like he was water. I deal way more dmg with my spirit blast (earth) than aqua impact (obviously water), and those 2 skills only have a little difference in dmg against a non elemented mob.

Was just wondering..not that it would affect anything but wrong displayed element is still wrong displayed element :P

Can any1 confirm that?

Linwiz - Lost City

FapFapFap - Raging Tide wrote: »

Since the patch I recognized that the fire-element boss in fc (huge nix) reacts to my skills like he was water. I deal way more dmg with my spirit blast (earth) than aqua impact (obviously water), and those 2 skills only have a little difference in dmg against a non elemented mob.

Was just wondering..not that it would affect anything but wrong displayed element is still wrong displayed element :P

Can any1 confirm that?

level 99, psychic, cant figure out that earth skill does more dmg then water skills (for mages and psy earth does more dmg the water (even on fire mobs) at the cost of longer casting)

*sigh*, this is why I quit pw

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear

The Earth skill's damage is pretty consistantly higher on all mobs except earth mobs not only the fire mob, however the scale of the earth attack being stronger than the water was scaled to an average of approx 4% lower damage relatively where on non-fire non-earth the difference is approx 15% lower damage from the equivalent water attacks. Oftentimes however [?] bosses seem to respond as if they're non-elemental regardless of the displayed element, so you may be seeing this factor applied.

FapFapFap - Raging Tide

Linwiz - Lost City wrote: »

level 99, psychic, cant figure out that earth skill does more dmg then water skills (for mages and psy earth does more dmg the water (even on fire mobs) at the cost of longer casting)

*sigh*, this is why I quit pw

I never said both skills do the same dmg. I said a little difference cuz I spam them via macro very often and should be able to say if they cause the same or not the same dmg. Spirit Blast deals slightly more dmg.

Aqua Impact
Channel 0.5 seconds
Cast 1.5 seconds
Cooldown 3.0 seconds

Spirit Blast
Channel 0.6 seconds
Cast 1.4 seconds
Cooldown 3.0 seconds

Earth skill even has a shorter cast time, but a higher channeling time which is summed up 2 seconds aqua impact - 2 seconds spirit blast.
So ur point is kinda senseless, since u don't even know anything about the psychic skills.

Also, I wrote (!)since(!) the new patch, and it isn't hard to figure out that I have done several fc-runs (full ones, including that nix) before. Or do u think I was the first time in fc after this weeks patch? Read pls...think pls...and then think again if u have to put on such an ignorant attitude when u are obviously having a lack of knowledge and/or logical thinking.
I thought it's easy to figure out, but I guess I have to write it like that:
My dmg with aqua impact was higher than spirit blast against this mob before this patch.
Now it's vice versa.
Do u understand now? I feel like I'm explaining it to a kid..
U quit pw - why do u lurk around here and waste ur time by ur wrong assumptions?
Why do u post an arrogant answer regarding my question whether some1 else had this feeling?
And btw u are the first person I met who quits a game cuz he thinks others don't know enough about it. If u just want to flame me - write me a pm and don't mislead a thread with a simple question. b:bye

@Aneurysmal:
Thx, didn't knew the exact percental difference, only a roughly factor.
The difference in dmg was bout 1-1.2k (~2.7k aqua impact, ~3.8k spirit blast) on a fire mob. Even if it would respond to my dmg as if it was non-elemental, the difference in dmg should be lower I think. Also, this dmg difference is exactly like the dmg difference against all the other water [?] bosses in FC. I even tried it with the dots to confirm it and the result was the same. I always caused slightly more dmg with the water dot on this boss, now the dmg of the earth dot is like water dot x 1.3-1.4.

Anyways, I didn't want to get into detail since this doesn't cause any advantage/disadvantage or a change in gameplay and could be considered as "who cares?", I was just asking if any1 else thought the same. b:surrender

Geez...my first thread with a simple question and I get a disrespectful flame as the first answer.
Trollthreads are more friendly than this.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Oracling or Hypering your character to 9x and asking things after that will never get you any good results. Doesn't matter me if you have used hyper or not, but others hate it.

On topic, this is not the only thing that might have changed in the latest patch. Let's see what else we can find.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Isn't the nix in frost labeled as water? I think all the frost bosses are water.

FapFapFap - Raging Tide

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oracling or Hypering your character to 9x and asking things after that will never get you any good results. Doesn't matter me if you have used hyper or not, but others hate it.

On topic, this is not the only thing that might have changed in the latest patch. Let's see what else we can find.

I asked something about after the new patch. What does it have to do with oracles or hypers? Am I getting trolled here or why are 2 ppl out of 3 talking like I haven't played PWI before? I never had to start a thread with such a question cuz I can use my brain and figure things out by myself, but something like that could only have 1 reason if it actually is like it occurs on my screen. To confirm that I asked if any1 else was thinking that there is a change in elemental dmg.
So what are u refering to?
Is there any1 who understands this simple question or am I in the wrong forums? It starts to get annoying...

Oracles, Hypers...lol.
It looks like ppl are offending any tideborn above 95 (?) with that ****.
Oracles wouldn't be worth the money, but Hypers are, so yes - I use them.
I bet there are only a few players who don't use Hypers at 90+ and most of them are always starting the same conversation..."NOEZ! ORACLES! HYPERS! NAB!"...ridiculous.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Isn't the nix in frost labeled as water? I think all the frost bosses are water.

Displays clearly Fire element and there should be some ppl who can confirm that water attacks got a dmg boost instead of a dmg nerf on this boss before this weeks patch.
(btw a nix which burns and has water element? xD)
Pray that they don't flame u cuz u didn't pay attention to elements as an archer :P

KareszPsych - Heavens Tear

Haven't been to FF since last patch, but I can tell that ever since I've been doing FF it's been like this. Fire element displayed, but he's actually weak to earth spells, so he's basically a water mob.

As a matter of fact, if you check the database:

Magic Defence

Metal: 2357

Wood: 2357

Water: 3830

Fire: 2357

Earth: 1375

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

FapFapFap - Raging Tide wrote: »

I asked something about after the new patch. What does it have to do with oracles or hypers? Am I getting trolled here or why are 2 ppl out of 3 talking like I haven't played PWI before? I never had to start a thread with such a question cuz I can use my brain and figure things out by myself, but something like that could only have 1 reason if it actually is like it occurs on my screen. To confirm that I asked if any1 else was thinking that there is a change in elemental dmg.
So what are u refering to?
Is there any1 who understands this simple question or am I in the wrong forums? It starts to get annoying...

Like I said, I don't care how you got your levels. You asked a question with proper language and all, but since you are that high level with a TB, you can't expect to get good results. I mean, I know people who first post with their 9x sin, get trolled and show their 10x main that they have been playing from '08 and start to get serious answers.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

FapFapFap - Raging Tide wrote: »

Pray that they don't flame u cuz u didn't pay attention to elements as an archer :P

lol rage more please.

You could have just looked it up on pwdatabase yourself.

b:pleased

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Ahh the old version was labeled as water: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/16344
the new version is mislabeled as fire: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/24821

FapFapFap - Raging Tide

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Like I said, I don't care how you got your levels. You asked a question with proper language and all, but since you are that high level with a TB, you can't expect to get good results. I mean, I know people who first post with their 9x sin, get trolled and show their 10x main that they have been playing from '08 and start to get serious answers.

I never had that imagination but I wasn't paying attention to anything else besides the Server Symposium. Didn't know ppl need to know who ur alt is when u play a 90+ fishie to get a serious answer. I can create a new char and post with a low lvl avatar, I could log in with an old account, I could even be a total newb and buy any account with a 95+ created a long time ago and ppl would think I'm experienced according to what u say - it doesn't make any difference regarding my question or regarding my experience. And since the one who thought he could teach the lame 9x oracle fishie a lesson failed with his babbeling about casting time, there is a proof for his "knowledge". Do i have to prove how I got my lvl? I don't even have the intention since I'm not a player who pays attention to how others get their lvls, so it's kinda hard for me to understand what the reason behind this argumentation is. Is it envy cuz it was harder to lvl before anni packs first made their way into the botique and now u can reach a high lvl without putting any real effort into it? Not that it was hard with BH n stuff..just took longer.
Is ur point that lvling slow = having more experience? I could choose the "hard" way and only grind and quest till 101/102, but somehow I don't think my knowledge/experience grows any more by killing the same mobs serveral thousand times or just doing what the quest log says. No one knows everything and not every1 cares about every aspect of the game, like the 101 archer above didn't care about the elements of the bosses in FC.
A question should be answered based on itself and not based on who is asking.
It's hilarious that ppl start acting like that just cuz u ask for some other experiences after a patch. Even if u interpret the question as a simple one about elements - u know that before u reach 30 and are able to oracle (is it 30 for Oracle I? correct me if I'm wrong), at least if u aren't extremely dumb and I don't think ppl would think that someone doesn't know that after playing a magic class above that point.
If I'm wrong just tell me what the reasoning behind those "insult" (can't really call it insult)is. Via pm or here I don't care but if u assume the right to judge ppl without knowing anything about them u should be able to explain why u are able to.

KareszPsych - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Haven't been to FF since last patch, but I can tell that ever since I've been doing FF it's been like this. Fire element displayed, but he's actually weak to earth spells, so he's basically a water mob.

Hm I guess that's my wanted answer then. Always thought that I deal more damage with water spells, but then it was just my imagination I guess. tyvm

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

lol rage more please.

You could have just looked it up on pwdatabase yourself.

b:pleased

Sry for not trusting in a database that much, I didn't know I have to prove that I spent countless hours on slaying mobs and fulfilling quests to expect a simple answer which only 1 could gave me.
I don't know in which way that should be raging, but if u would rage like that u must be a really aggressive person. b:sad

Quilue - Sanctuary

water element on mobs/bosses just means it has more water def and less say, earth def...it gives you an idea of their strength and weakness in their defense.

in this case, the phoenix's label has changed to fire element but the magic defense has not changed to reflect that. it's still technically "water" if you will

Magic Defence

Metal: 2357

Wood: 2357

Water: 3830

Fire: 2357

Earth: 1375

ilystah

This shows that the devs have to manually type in the mobs element for this mismatch to happen.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

FapFapFap - Raging Tide wrote: »

I never had that imagination but I wasn't paying attention to anything else besides the Server Symposium. Didn't know ppl need to know who ur alt is when u play a 90+ fishie to get a serious answer. I can create a new char and post with a low lvl avatar, I could log in with an old account, I could even be a total newb and buy any account with a 95+ created a long time ago and ppl would think I'm experienced according to what u say - it doesn't make any difference regarding my question or regarding my experience. And since the one who thought he could teach the lame 9x oracle fishie a lesson failed with his babbeling about casting time, there is a proof for his "knowledge". Do i have to prove how I got my lvl? I don't even have the intention since I'm not a player who pays attention to how others get their lvls, so it's kinda hard for me to understand what the reason behind this argumentation is. Is it envy cuz it was harder to lvl before anni packs first made their way into the botique and now u can reach a high lvl without putting any real effort into it? Not that it was hard with BH n stuff..just took longer.
Is ur point that lvling slow = having more experience? I could choose the "hard" way and only grind and quest till 101/102, but somehow I don't think my knowledge/experience grows any more by killing the same mobs serveral thousand times or just doing what the quest log says. No one knows everything and not every1 cares about every aspect of the game, like the 101 archer above didn't care about the elements of the bosses in FC.
A question should be answered based on itself and not based on who is asking.
It's hilarious that ppl start acting like that just cuz u ask for some other experiences after a patch. Even if u interpret the question as a simple one about elements - u know that before u reach 30 and are able to oracle (is it 30 for Oracle I? correct me if I'm wrong), at least if u aren't extremely dumb and I don't think ppl would think that someone doesn't know that after playing a magic class above that point.
If I'm wrong just tell me what the reasoning behind those "insult" (can't really call it insult)is. Via pm or here I don't care but if u assume the right to judge ppl without knowing anything about them u should be able to explain why u are able to.

My point is that high level TBs won't get too many serious answers. And don't get me wrong, I will always help people no matter what. It's just that others won't be like me.

FapFapFap - Raging Tide

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

My point is that high level TBs won't get too many serious answers. And don't get me wrong, I will always help people no matter what. It's just that others won't be like me.

Actually it looked like u just wanted to bring in the Oracle topic and weren't able to give an answer to the OP so u just avoided the answer but refered to it so it wouldn't look like a simple "Remember, all fishies above 90 are probably oracle-only" - post.
If I interpreted that wrong I'm sry.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

FapFapFap - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sry for not trusting in a database that much, I didn't know I have to prove that I spent countless hours on slaying mobs and fulfilling quests to expect a simple answer which only 1 could gave me.
I don't know in which way that should be raging, but if u would rage like that u must be a really aggressive person. b:sad

I honestly don't care how you level, but you're getting more defensive than you should. Just ignore comments about such things and you're less likely to get trolled.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

FapFapFap - Raging Tide wrote: »

Actually it looked like u just wanted to bring in the Oracle topic and weren't able to give an answer to the OP so u just avoided the answer but refered to it so it wouldn't look like a simple "Remember, all fishies above 90 are probably oracle-only" - post.
If I interpreted that wrong I'm sry.

Your post was a bit hard to read so I didn't even notice you had a question there. But now that I re-read it, you are correct. You should post an answer regardless of OPs level or class. However, that's only what should happen. Reality is that people think "OMG ORACLE NOOB I BETTER TROLL HIM!!!!"