chienkun stones refine xfer.

Breadbun - Lost City

Ok, I been looking at transfering refines, and is it just me or are the amount of stones required stupid? Or am I misreading something?

To transfer +2 from a fiends ring (level 31) it will cost me, 5 chienkun stones...

To transfer +3 from aquadash it will cost me 12...

To transfer +6 from a wheel of fate it will cost 80...

Yet, compared to buying dragon orbs, it isn't worth it?

Is it just me or is this fkd up?

Or as i say am i mis reading something?

mulanrouge

no one said it was going to be cheaper, just maybe easier. it does take a **** ton of stones to do it though.

however, re-refining to +6 = how much? you can do the math.

80 stones = 80 gold.

+6 = 69 gold

Breadbun - Lost City

I don't see how it would be easier though. For the extra minute you spend composing the DO's, you save yourself a ton of gold...

mulanrouge

Breadbun - Lost City wrote: »

I don't see how it would be easier though. For the extra minute you spend composing the DO's, you save yourself a ton of gold...

b:surrender some fail.

would have to do the math to see if worth for the much higher refines. +6 is easier to get.

Breadbun - Lost City

mulanrouge wrote: »

no one said it was going to be cheaper, just maybe easier. it does take a **** ton of stones to do it though.

however, re-refining to +6 = how much? you can do the math.

80 stones = 80 gold.

+6 = 69 gold

mulanrouge wrote: »

b:surrender some fail.

would have to do the math to see if worth for the much higher refines. +6 is easier to get.

What do you mean some fail? :S

Darkjagans - Heavens Tear

according to this thread
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=684972

it is only *kinda* worth transferring high level refines like +10 and up really

a friend of mine has a +12, and from what she tells me, it'll be approximately 1600gold for a +12 refine if you just use D.Orbs all the way
(assuming there's a dragon orb sale and 10* orb sale for the +9 and +10 refines)

it's 1000 chienkun stones to transfer a +12 refine, which means 1000gold, so you save about 600gold and you'll save time from doing all the combining and stuff, as mentioned above, it's easier

however, what everyone should be asking themselves is... just how much could you have gotten from that 1000gold spent on the transfer?
with 1000gold, you can easily get another +10 refine on another item with plenty of gold to spare

mulanrouge

Breadbun - Lost City wrote: »

What do you mean some fail? :S

some people cannot combine orbs b:surrender

cannot tell you how many ppl i have done it for. so much so that i can do an 8* orb without blinking b:shocked

SinCityChick - Dreamweaver

This is mostly added for those that have refined gears to +8 or higher...those DOs are nearly impossible and/or too expensive to be within the grasp of most people on this game. Rather than making them search for ages to try to find a DO that they need, they can, instead, transfer their refine to whatever new equipment they have.

peacefulsilence

Refinement transfer's cost is epic fail for lower levels b:surrender

Quick breakdown for those that dont understand. 10 Dorbs on sale is, what, $1.80?
To make a ~ from 0; (fyi cause a lot of people don't seem to know, Jewelcraftsman combines for higher level orbs than the boutique sells)
+1 = 1 Dorb = 0.18$ (I know this is 1)
+2 = 5 Dorb = $0.90
+3 = 15 Dorb = $2.70
+4 = 40 Dorb = $7.20
+5 = 100 Dorb = $18.00 (I know this is 60)
+6 = 230 Dorb = $41.40
+7 = 445 Dorb = $80.10
+8 = 850 Dorbs = $153.00 (I know this is 150)
+9 = 1600 Dorbs = $288.00
+10 = 2970 Dorbs = $534.60
+11 = 5495 Dorbs = $989.10
+12 = 10140 Dorbs = $1825.20

So anything below making a +9 when an orb sale is on is an utter waste of these stones. Of course thats even if you even have something higher than +8 in the first place to transfer. Because with the +8 tie breaker you could use the profits of the selling the item at +8 rather than 0 to fund the cost of +8'ing the new item. Of course this is still debateable for 9+ just to use the stones now to try your luck on getting higher.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

I point out that you're comparing a dragon-orb sale against the new-stone non-sale price.
It seems practically certain that these new stones will also have a sale price, so it would be fairer to compare the non-sale prices of both (until we know what the sale price on the new stones is)

Saying that, the basic point is still sound - these stones are a huge waste on anything less than at least +7, probably+8, depends on sale price of the stones.

MeXyCaN - Archosaur

It only takes 1 stone at any refine level as i tried to refine my weapon to 6 fom 5. I used 10 stones and 20 mirages. I failed all 10 times. As you can read from the stone description the higher the refine youre weapon is the percent of a succesful refine decreases. Im not ingame atm but i believe it a .75% chance to go from 5 to 6. 6 to 7 even has a lower chance an so forth. Only way this is usefull is if u are extremely luck and are in that .75 percent range.

Kasumi - Dreamweaver

chienkun stones are good, just made nirvana bow using lunar bow, +8 refine only 57 stones, 2 socket only 42 stones, and garnet gems were like 30, so it's not all bad.

TigerLily - Lost City

The cost if you use them in a Nirvana Transfer is far cheaper than a regular transfer.

Just looked and it would cost me 400 gold to transfer a +10 refine to another item at Boutique agent, but if i use my Bow +10 and make Nirvana its only 190 gold to keep refine it seems. Some people say you have to do it twice tho, than its 380 gold <.< But i guess its worth it if you have g11/g12 gems you wanna keep.

Paying 400 gold in general to transfer a +10 is really not worth it at all, its actually a rip of lol.

Far cheaper to use mirage + tisha/tienkung stones to +6+7 than orb sale for +8 +9 +10. Than you only have to pay around 250-300 gold for a +10 weapon.

Shao_on_Fire - Heavens Tear

This highly-anticipated item has been highly disappointing.

I find it hard to justify the cost of transferring when it's far cheaper to use DO's.

Now, I'm not lv 100 yet, so I can't speak about the Nirvana gears. But I do know I drooled a little last night when I thought to myself, "I can move the +5 from my TT80 gold bow onto my brand new Lunar bow today." Only to discover it was gonna cost sixty bucks to do it.

Wait, wut?

okay, I can go +2 or +3 on Celestones alone. So, now I need to make/buy DO's. For the sake of this example, we'll say I made the Lunar +2 with Mirages. We will also say, I am buying the needed DO's straight from the Cash Shop- this means a +3 orb, a +4 orb, and a +5 orb.

Total cost from CS: 3(3 star)+7.50(4 star)+ 18(5 star)= $28.50.

Less than 30 dollars.

Cost to transfer using the Chienkung stones= $60.00.

So, even if I use the most expensive method- buying the D orbs straight from CS instead of buying 1* orbs and making them- that is STILL CHEAPER than buying the new stones.

So, was this item created exclusively for the use with Nirvana gear? Because that's where it seems to be headed...

Ty - Heavens Tear

Does anyone know how this will work with keeping sockets while upgrading to Nirvana?
For example if you have a 4 socket TT99/Lunar armor will the sockets carry over if you use Chienkung stones? I'm not so worried about the gems carrying over.

Kasumi - Dreamweaver

it would transfer over if you have the right amount of chienkun stones. If the armor is just like the weapon, then you have to pay a seperate chienkun fee to transfer over the gems. So there's different fee for refine, socket, and gem.

Xarathox - Dreamweaver

And that, is what many call Highway Robbery.

wnight

hmm... There is 1 but in whole transfer thing :

According to Tranfers dude the Source(aka item from which you are trying to tranfer) must be Higher level/grade? than Target one.

Is it typo? or Why the hell i need those stones if Transfer is only to lower weapons???

b:puzzled

Traz - Dreamweaver

wnight wrote: »

hmm... There is 1 but in whole transfer thing :

According to Tranfers dude the Source(aka item from which you are trying to tranfer) must be Higher level/grade? than Target one.

Is it typo? or Why the hell i need those stones if Transfer is only to lower weapons???

b:puzzled

higher level of refinement not grade of weapon. b:chuckle It's not going to let you transfer +4 to a +5 weapon haha.

skyraiserdm

Why does the Preview Button Post this thread ???

skyraiserdm

Keep in Mind:

Old Item +8 -> Chienkun Stones -> Old Item +0 | New Item +8

Old Item +8 -> Dragon Orbs -> Old Item +8 | New Item +8

When using Dragon Orbs your Old Item +8 is much more worth then Old Item +0 from Chienkun Transfer

*Except Nirvana Stuff, as the Old Item will be decomposed...

God_Evil - Lost City

Kasumi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

chienkun stones are good, just made nirvana bow using lunar bow, +8 refine only 57 stones, 2 socket only 42 stones, and garnet gems were like 30, so it's not all bad.

=.= dont say it cheap when u didnt make it out, u just made the 1st step, but the 2nd step will cost u +8 86stones, 2soc 63stones, ss 45 stones... step1 just costs u 0.4% and step2 costs u 0.6% and hh100 costs u 100% on step2 since no step1 for hh100 if u dont know

God_Evil - Lost City

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

The cost if you use them in a Nirvana Transfer is far cheaper than a regular transfer.

Just looked and it would cost me 400 gold to transfer a +10 refine to another item at Boutique agent, but if i use my Bow +10 and make Nirvana its only 190 gold to keep refine it seems. Some people say you have to do it twice tho, than its 380 gold <.< But i guess its worth it if you have g11/g12 gems you wanna keep.

Paying 400 gold in general to transfer a +10 is really not worth it at all, its actually a rip of lol.

Far cheaper to use mirage + tisha/tienkung stones to +6+7 than orb sale for +8 +9 +10. Than you only have to pay around 250-300 gold for a +10 weapon.

190gold for +10 on step1 then step2=285gold so u still think its CHEAP? both steps cost u 475>400... i had 2x g11 soulstones on my axes and i chose not to keep it since it costs me 80gold to keep it... nothing is cheap for transfer even to nirvana...........

daikaz

Yup, as stated above, the cost of the previous refines HAS to be considered when you're transferring refines

if you buy dragon orbs all the way to +9 not only it is cheaper than the chienkuns, you get a new item to +9 AND you keep your old +9 item, which is worth quite a bit of cash

However, if you transfer the +9 with chienkuns, not only you will spend a lot of cash on the stones, you also need to have an existing item that is ALREADY +9, so the total cost of the "refine" is: chienkun stones + refine cost of the old item

Someone said there will eventually be a chienkun stone sale, i agree with you, they're gonna be on sale eventually, however their actual cost is 1 gold, experience shows that 1 gold items tend to cost 80 silver when a sale is on, so the cost for transfer let's say a +9 would be multiplied by 0.8, still more expensive than just buying dragon orbs and refining yourself

The item was fine, the idea was fine, the insane requirement of stones... that's not fine

SinCityChick - Dreamweaver

Ok God_Evil...if your posts were any less readable, they would be in another language entirely...can you please decipher your posts using punctuation?

TigerLily - Lost City

God_Evil - Lost City wrote: »

190gold for +10 on step1 then step2=285gold so u still think its CHEAP? both steps cost u 475>400... i had 2x g11 soulstones on my axes and i chose not to keep it since it costs me 80gold to keep it... nothing is cheap for transfer even to nirvana...........

OMG it would have cost you over 550 gold to transfer +10 axes and gems to a Nirvana weapon.

Sounds like a good deal if you're dumb. You can even refine 2 completely new weapon to +10 for that cost and keep your old +10.

Think they either have to reduce the price of chienkun or the amount needed...or double the price of draco orbs. As it is now chienkun stones have no real in game use.

Traz - Dreamweaver

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

OMG it would have cost you over 550 gold to transfer +10 axes and gems to a Nirvana weapon.

Sounds like a good deal if you're dumb. You can even refine 2 completely new weapon to +10 for that cost and keep your old +10.

Think they either have to reduce the price of chienkun or the amount needed...or double the price of draco orbs. As it is now chienkun stones have no real in game use.

OMFG why would you even say double the price of an item..... b:surprised

Ty - Heavens Tear

What I'm interested in is the cost of keeping sockets in gear as you upgrade to nirvana. Theoretically it would be cheaper to 4 socket armor or 2 socket weapons of grade 12 and use chienkuns than it would be add sockets to Nirvana gear. Refining costs are the same regardless of Grade whereas socket costs get astronomical.

And to those people saying that its better to just refine again than use chienkuns that's true of unbound gear but for bound items it's cheaper to use chienkuns, unless you still have a use for the older item.