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StormChaos - Heavens Tear wrote: »Actually no they wouldnt. It could be based at their current location without any problem. All they would need to do is change the server clock to GMT.
They would need new GMs since you'd need GMs to be in the same timezone. And asking a bunch of American people to suddenly switch to using European times would totally **** up their lives. Not to mention the issue with other languages, such as German and Spain.No point arguing International meaning with America... Since they have " World "competitions that only include themselves b:chuckle
Learn your grammar. The prefix "inter-" means "across something", in this case "across national", e.g. being available to at least two different countries. The direct opposite would "intra", or "within".
And if you were to look up the origins of the word "global", you would find "across the globe", or more commonly "relating to all parts in a group".
So the one in wrong is you. Now get back to school.
Their usage of the word "international" is grammatically correct and justified. Also, using "International" generally sounds better than "North America", so there's also that reason. It's funny how many people here complain, even though the ToS that you agreed to when making your account clearly only speaks of guaranteeing service in North America.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »
Learn your grammar. The prefix "inter-" means "across something", in this case "across national", e.g. being available to at least two different countries. The direct opposite would "intra", or "within".
And if you were to look up the origins of the word "global", you would find "across the globe", or more commonly "relating to all parts in a group".
So the one in wrong is you. Now get back to school.
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Learn to read
No where In my post did I dispute the meaning of the word International. It was sarcasm aimed at the USA having competitions with the word World in them, when it only includes themselves.
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My two cents.
- The European version of Perfect World is terrible. The translation is horrible, there is a huge amount of lag even in areas where there isn't a single player for miles around, and the amount of bugs and glitches are horrible. I downloaded it and I tried to play it. When I got my new computer I made no attempt to redownload it and carry on, the game is too unpolished in comparison to this version.
- International does not mean the same as global. International means across more than one nation, or in other words, moving outside of it's mother nation. For example, in dog showing, and international champion is a dog that is champion in more than one country. This does not mean it is a global champion, it just means it is a winning dog in more than one country. The number of countries could range from only two, to ten.
Perfect World International is named so because it is a version of Perfect World outside of the mother company in China.
The fact Europeans can play it is little more than privilege. The company only offers guaranteed services to those in North America [as per the ToS] and the fact that they let us Europeans play their game at all is something you should appreciate, not ***** about and demand they change to suit our needs when we aren't their target audience.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
StormChaos - Heavens Tear wrote: »Learn to read
No where In my post did I dispute the meaning of the word International. It was sarcasm aimed at the USA having competitions with the word World in them, when it only includes themselve's.
Jeez kids today ... begone back to reading school with you
Sorry, my Idiot Detector 2010 sometimes blocks out the signals from my Sarcasm Detector 2010. And yes, this topic is making the Idiot Detector 2010 send out berserked signals, because the topic makes no sense.
And again, one of my later points stands: having the word "World" or "International" makes things sound more grand than they are. Or it could just be magnificent nationalistic arrogance going "AHAHA! No other nation even compares to us, so we are the World!" After all, you can see that a lot of nationalistic ******* online go "USA could nuke any nation in the world, therefore we, meaning me, are better than everyone else".If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Your latter point is valid for the word " International ", but I think the following holds true for " World "Olba - Sanctuary wrote: ». Or it could just be magnificent nationalistic arrogance
But getting off topic ( not that it really matters in this thread )The fact Europeans can play it is little more than privilege.
I disagree with the privilege part .. Since Imo without the non target audience the game wouldnt be as big as it is now. It would be another niche MMO with 2 or 3 servers at best.
They need the non target audience and the revenue they bring in as much as we need them.
TBH though I dont mind 4am Tw's . It doesnt disrupte my weekend nights out .. Go pub/club etc >> TW win win0 -
Ummm ..... why not just have multiple TW times?[Insert pithy quote here.]0
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StormChaos - Heavens Tear wrote: »I disagree with the privilege part .. Since Imo without the non target audience the game wouldnt be as big as it is now. It would be another niche MMO with 2 or 3 servers at best.
They need the non target audience and the revenue they bring in as much as we need them.
To each their own, but I can tell you right now that you're wrong about that.
They don't need our income whatsoever. This game could easily be supported by the American players. The difference is, as you said, it wouldn't be quite so large. Certainly not so many servers.
It's not that they need the revenue players outside of N. America generate. It's that they like it because it is extra revenue for them, and it was a smart business move on their part to subtly cater to gamers outside of North America without actually promising them services. Their target audience is the only audience that matters - anything and everything else is extra revenue and is liked but is not necessary.
This is the problem that people outside the target audience have. They start to think they are "needed" and then they start to make demands because they feel more special than they actually are. This is the same for the veteran players who make demands and threaten to quit the game, thinking that they and the small amount of revenue they bring are "needed" when in actual fact, they are nothing special, and the company doesn't care if they leave or not because for every veteran who leaves they have about three new people joining.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Okay okay okay... when did this turn into a 'stereotype Americans and bash them' thing? What has this got to do with the (correct) definition of 'international' being between 2+ nations? I highly doubt that the GMs here just want to spite everyone 'cause they thing they're all speshul 'cause they live in the USA. o.o So drop it, please. It has no relevance to the topic... and is just making everyone look like an ****.
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Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »To each their own, but I can tell you right now that you're wrong about that.
They don't need our income whatsoever. This game could easily be supported by the American players. The difference is, as you said, it wouldn't be quite so large. Certainly not so many servers.
It's not that they need the revenue players outside of N. America generate. It's that they like it because it is extra revenue for them, and it was a smart business move on their part to subtly cater to gamers outside of North America without actually promising them services. Their target audience is the only audience that matters - anything and everything else is extra revenue and is liked but is not necessary.
This is the problem that people outside the target audience have. They start to think they are "needed" and then they start to make demands because they feel more special than they actually are. This is the same for the veteran players who make demands and threaten to quit the game, thinking that they and the small amount of revenue they bring are "needed" when in actual fact, they are nothing special, and the company doesn't care if they leave or not because for every veteran who leaves they have about three new people joining.
Did I mention that you're one of my favorite posters? b:cute
On-topic: I feel like what the OP wants is, instead of the TW time to be fine for Americans and annoying for Europeans, for it to just be annoying for everyone. 3 or so hours earlier and Americans may not make it because of work, and it's still late for Europeans, just not QUITE so late. 3 or so hours later and it's late for Americans, and Europeans would have to wake up super early still.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Aadi - Lost City wrote: »Did I mention that you're one of my favorite posters? b:cute
On-topic: I feel like what the OP wants is, instead of the TW time to be fine for Americans and annoying for Europeans, for it to just be annoying for everyone. 3 or so hours earlier and Americans may not make it because of work, and it's still late for Europeans, just not QUITE so late. 3 or so hours later and it's late for Americans, and Europeans would have to wake up super early still.
b:thanks
I have to agree with what you say here, too. Not that it actually should be made more annoying, but that the OP was asking for the TW times to be modified to make it a little more difficult to attend for everybody.
I almost want to say that the idea is an interesting one, but sadly the company would do little but laugh at the suggestion. TW is probably one of the largest money-baggers in many ways given the charm costs, and the people who go out their way to refine to be a bigger TW factor, etc. etc. I would love to see how TW could potentially change with the times reorganised but it's a sad fact of nature that this wouldn't appeal to anybody with the power to actually change it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »To each their own, but I can tell you right now that you're wrong about that.
They don't need our income whatsoever. This game could easily be supported by the American players. The difference is, as you said, it wouldn't be quite so large. Certainly not so many servers.
It's not that they need the revenue players outside of N. America generate. It's that they like it because it is extra revenue for them, and it was a smart business move on their part to subtly cater to gamers outside of North America without actually promising them services. Their target audience is the only audience that matters - anything and everything else is extra revenue and is liked but is not necessary.
This is the problem that people outside the target audience have. They start to think they are "needed" and then they start to make demands because they feel more special than they actually are. This is the same for the veteran players who make demands and threaten to quit the game, thinking that they and the small amount of revenue they bring are "needed" when in actual fact, they are nothing special, and the company doesn't care if they leave or not because for every veteran who leaves they have about three new people joining.
Sorry maybe what I ment wasnt clear.. The " need " was based on PWI as it stands now ( 7 Servers ).
For the company to continue as it current size and maybe grow then the income from people outside its target audience is needed.
Ofc if they had kept it small then the target audience would have provided enough revenue for them .. but its gone past that stage.
Granted if they kicked all Euro's, Kiwi's, Aussie's etc offline next week the company would contiue to function but as a greatly reduced entity.0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »b:thanks
I have to agree with what you say here, too. Not that it actually should be made more annoying, but that the OP was asking for the TW times to be modified to make it a little more difficult to attend for everybody.
I almost want to say that the idea is an interesting one, but sadly the company would do little but laugh at the suggestion. TW is probably one of the largest money-baggers in many ways given the charm costs, and the people who go out their way to refine to be a bigger TW factor, etc. etc. I would love to see how TW could potentially change with the times reorganised but it's a sad fact of nature that this wouldn't appeal to anybody with the power to actually change it.
It might be interesting to see what they could come up with in terms of factions setting their own times though. Someone mentioned a few pages back something about the two factions compromising and setting a time that worked well for both of them, so if both factions are mostly Europeans, they could pick a time where more can be online.
Or something like each faction chooses 5 times that are best for them out a preset set of times, and the game randomly chooses one or something, since it's not always possible for people to agree.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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make PWE for people in Europe b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ummm ..... why not just have multiple TW times?
Or, maybe have a European server, where the times are adjusted accordingly.[Insert pithy quote here.]0 -
Aadi - Lost City wrote: »It might be interesting to see what they could come up with in terms of factions setting their own times though. Someone mentioned a few pages back something about the two factions compromising and setting a time that worked well for both of them, so if both factions are mostly Europeans, they could pick a time where more can be online.
Or something like each faction chooses 5 times that are best for them out a preset set of times, and the game randomly chooses one or something, since it's not always possible for people to agree.
Teach me not to read the entire thread; that's an interesting suggestion to say the least. -facepalm- I should read the entirety of a thread more often so I don't miss out on this ****.
Factions discussing potential TW times sounds like an incredibly interesting idea to say the least. It may even allow for the TW limit to be removed if factions could schedule their TWs - or if not removed, certainly increased. Of course, I can imagine that a lot of factions would never be able to agree on a time with each other, so in these situations, mapping out numerous times and having the game pick one at random would seem the next best way to go about it.
I'd support this idea too, actually. I mean, I can't be the only person who realises that this option would be a potentially great way to reduce the number of fake bidders we have, can I? A fake bid would become obvious when it comes to picking a TW time - something that they currently don't even need to worry about. By agreeing on a time together it would be incredibly suspicious to then have a sudden no-show of nearly an entire faction.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Noob - Raging Tide wrote: »make PWE for people in Europe b:laugh
Potential double post, but:
You said it yourself, PWE. Perfect World Europe.
PWI =/= PWE.
One is the game. Another the company that has several games under it's wing. Best to try not mix them up.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »Or, maybe have a European server, where the times are adjusted accordingly.
Im European myself ( English) but I think at this point in the game's life that would be a bad move for the company.
The mass exodus of Euro players that might bring from the current servers to the new one might cause some of the older servers to merge. Which brings with it the bad press on review sites and shareholders losing confidence etc etc.0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »Teach me not to read the entire thread; that's an interesting suggestion to say the least. -facepalm- I should read the entirety of a thread more often so I don't miss out on this ****.
Factions discussing potential TW times sounds like an incredibly interesting idea to say the least. It may even allow for the TW limit to be removed if factions could schedule their TWs - or if not removed, certainly increased. Of course, I can imagine that a lot of factions would never be able to agree on a time with each other, so in these situations, mapping out numerous times and having the game pick one at random would seem the next best way to go about it.
I'd support this idea too, actually. I mean, I can't be the only person who realises that this option would be a potentially great way to reduce the number of fake bidders we have, can I? A fake bid would become obvious when it comes to picking a TW time - something that they currently don't even need to worry about. By agreeing on a time together it would be incredibly suspicious to then have a sudden no-show of nearly an entire faction.
Yeah, I could definitely see fake bidding become a lot more obvious this way. And it would open up a whole new strategy of finding what time zone the other faction is mostly in and making it inconvenient for them...underhanded but interesting nonetheless b:chuckle
I don't blame you for not reading the entire thread though. Except for a few posts, once you've seen one "Change TW for Europe" thread, you've pretty much seen them all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Aadi - Lost City wrote: »Yeah, I could definitely see fake bidding become a lot more obvious this way. And it would open up a whole new strategy of finding what time zone the other faction is mostly in and making it inconvenient for them...underhanded but interesting nonetheless
Why bother with set times ?
Just make a TW window of 4-5 hours. You can start the attack on the land you won the bid on anytime within that window.
Im pretty sure the Germans didnt tell the French what time they would be attacking b:pleased0 -
StormChaos - Heavens Tear wrote: »Why bother with set times ?
Just make a TW window of 4-5 hours. You can start the attack on the land you won the bid on anytime within that window.
Im pretty sure the Germans didnt tell the French what time they would be attacking b:pleased
I think we should be able to invade the territories through a neutral bordering territory, to hit their defenses at a weak point!
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Aadi - Lost City wrote: »I think we should be able to invade the territories through a neutral bordering territory, to hit their defenses at a weak point!
...LIKE A GERMAN b:cool
lol Might aswell since the being able to fly over the TW base walls makes them about as effective as the Maginot Line0 -
Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »And again, one of my later points stands: having the word "World" or "International" makes things sound more grand than they are. Or it could just be magnificent nationalistic arrogance going "AHAHA! No other nation even compares to us, so we are the World!" After all, you can see that a lot of nationalistic ******* online go "USA could nuke any nation in the world, therefore we, meaning me, are better than everyone else".
You do realize it is a Chinese company is calling it International, not an American one. It's called International since it's International from China. So your point of the Americans having nationalistic arrogance is absurd and moot and incongruous with the truth.0 -
Aadi - Lost City wrote: »I think we should be able to invade the territories through a neutral bordering territory, to hit their defenses at a weak point!
...LIKE A GERMAN b:cool
Then you can pick one or two classes and discriminate against them, maybe send them to another instance where they instadie? b:shocked
And to all the people saying that there could be another server adjusted to european time: That's possible but it would be a pain for the server admins. Maint times and all GM usage would have to be on the EU times as well, lest there be another team to manage that server. Nicole is correct on that account.Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
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When I did TW on my old LC character it started at 11pm and went until 2am for me.
Not liking the idea of moving it back further.
The servers are located on the west coast, as such, the TW times are based on the west coast (except for the east coast servers ofc) this will not change. When they put a server in GMT, then you'll have a server where the TW times are based on GMT, until then, get used to it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I believe this is not a European version. We are however allowed to play here at least, could have been IP banned actually. I think the Europeans (like myself) should be happy we can log PWI instead of QQ-ing about TW times. Just suck it up and have some coffee to stay awake.
Ive been doing TWs from 4/5am - 7/8 am for about a year now. Sometimes it really starts affecting your sleeping schedule and TW isn't fun at all anymore, its more like this painful obligation to stay awake 4-7 am on a weekend and you're so tired and cold and hate everyone. Thats when you take a little break from TWs and tell your guild to **** of and find a replacement b:surrender0 -
If u can live with 5am then thats the time on the west servers. And seriously doubt u can make the GMs change the TW times, since ppl would be annoyed with it =/. Also forget all about getting up at 5am and go to TW, most factions what u to be ready 1-2h before TW, cuz it takes alot of organizing the squads so you would just get an even more crappy time.0
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For me the TWs are at 3 am and usually I just can't manage to stay awake that long.. It would be great if they changed the times of some servers and let everybody choose on which server they will choose so the TW times would make sense.. This particularly annoys me because some of the factions require their members to go to the TWs and what can I do if they take place 3 am and I have work/school on the next day? Ofc this would be hard for the people who have friends on the other side of the ocean b:sad[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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i see lots of pages but nothing gonna change the time b:cry
in that case i'll stay in game till 2AM to go for TW, not every weekend but whenever gonna be time for that.
To those kids who live in Europe n cant go to TW at 1-am-5 am b:bye
its a any possibility to split some parts of PW to diff TW time?? why all must be at the same time??
Saw lots of guilds from europe, from my country. Give us fev part of world, we wanna have some fun, all ppl not only the hardcore ppl like me b:laugh
if u seen me at TW remember that for me its 2am b:sad
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