Powerdash

Aldryami - Sanctuary
Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
edited April 2010 in Assassin
There was a thread about the skill Powerdash sometime ago but I didn't want to necro so I will ask my question here.

Does this skill have any purpose whatsoever? For two Sparks this skill adds a certain percent to the chance to Crit for a short time, which means a certain percent to double damage. For the same two Sparks we can simply Double Spark and increase our damage by 300% (as well as adding a few HP) for a longer period of time. Also there is the possibility to Crit the hits during the Double Spark, while you cant Crit a Crit! (hope you get what I mean lol).

Bearing this in mind why would anyone EVER use the skill Powerdash?

I'm aware that you can stack powerdash with a Double Spark for a few hits (if you use Chi building skills). Is this the way people use this skill?

I like the idea of Powerdash and would love to hear of a way to make this skill useful but, to my present understanding, it has no use whatsoever. Any ideas?
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  • Accel - Raging Tide
    Accel - Raging Tide Posts: 673 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I would abuse Power Dash nonstop if it didn't take 30 seconds to cool down b:cute
    You can't see me b:avoid.
  • Sovy - Dreamweaver
    Sovy - Dreamweaver Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    hmmm power dash, i use it for

    pve: I need to tank a boss and keep agro and I'm full chi at begin, spark+wolf emblem+powerdash and here u have some nice damage to keep agro :p

    and yeah I rather always combine it with a spark, also use if u use genie skill damage it's great to have 70% chance of it to crit^^

    It's a really great skill, but yeah i guess i 'd rather spark if if have only chi for using one of them but hmmm does that ever happen? xD
  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ok so, as I understand it, the ONLY way this skill is worth using is if you:

    Double Spark/Add Chi with a skill/Powerdash. Is that correct?

    The time it takes to cast the Chi building Skill means we only get a few hits with Powedash and Double Spark combined. I'm guessing this loss of sparked attacks is compensated for.

    So it is generally accepted that use of this skill on its own is 100% pointless?

    And does anyone know of any other ways to make this skill worthwhile?

    Thanks :)
  • ACLucius - Archosaur
    ACLucius - Archosaur Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It wouldn't make sense to not use it with double spark really. At 299 chi, double spark>Inner Harmony>Powerdash>Wolf Emblem: this will give you godly damage, and is excellent (if you can afford the pots) against bosses in TT. So yes, it is a very useful skill when used in combination with other skills.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It's mainly for PvP and I'm not exactly sure how much harder you hit on double spark. Double spark only adds 300% weapon damage, does not make you do 300% of your current damage. My guess is that you won't hit twice as hard double sparked in PvP.

    It's also away to combine 4 sparks into a shorter period of time for higher spike damage. Sure you can get better DPS over time by sparking twice, but combining Dash with spark give you a much more burst of power.
  • Yarly - Harshlands
    Yarly - Harshlands Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    On casting characters I like to go invis, wolf emblem, double spark, inner harmony, power dash, dragon strike, headhunt. If u do this with chill of the deep, they wont make it past headhunt.
  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thankyou guys, some excellent responses here :)
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    double spark doesnt give you 300% damage from your normal hits. it doesnt even give 200% really.... more around 180%

    example: i normal hit huggy hares currently for 2.5k-3k

    under double spark i do 4.5k-5.2k

    which is ~175%

    crits double your damage but do even better. sins do 2.3 times normal damage with a crit making power dash even better.

    of course double spark (triple eventually) + powerdash is crazy
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  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thanks Trawne, thats good info.

    In comparing (unsparked) Powerdash to Double Spark we mustn't forget that we can crit a spark. At level 72 I crit 23% of the time - I'm not sure how that would affect the comparative damage output. I'm very lazy when it comes to sums b:chuckle

    But the fact that spark doesn't give a 300% boost to overall damage is a very useful revelation to me :)

    So, so far:
    1 We know that it is good to Spark/Chi Build/Powerdash/etc

    2 And there is the possibility that Powerdash may even be better than a Double Spark (pending some analysis).
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thanks Trawne, thats good info.

    In comparing (unsparked) Powerdash to Double Spark we mustn't forget that we can crit a spark. At level 72 I crit 23% of the time - I'm not sure how that would affect the comparative damage output. I'm very lazy when it comes to sums b:chuckle

    But the fact that spark doesn't give a 300% boost to overall damage is a very useful revelation to me :)

    So, so far:
    1 We know that it is good to Spark/Chi Build/Powerdash/etc

    2 And there is the possibility that Powerdash may even be better than a Double Spark (pending some analysis).

    another bit to note on double spark: it lasts 12 seconds but 2 of those seconds are unusable do to the casting of double spark. you become immune for 2 seconds but also unable to act during it.

    i think double spark on it's own comes out on top of power dash just due to your chance of getting a few crits from your base chance while in spark
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  • kotarofuuma
    kotarofuuma Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    not sure bout the 300% thingy.. but powerdash is like my favorite skill when tanking.. (well i usually do the tanking T-T) .. emblem - 2 sparks - rising dragon strike - powerdash (+ any attack rate enhancing genie skill) is like a mini iron heart in ur part.. i usually do 15k-20k each hit with power dash.. 45k-55k each hit when timed with heaven's flame..
  • Sneakret - Heavens Tear
    Sneakret - Heavens Tear Posts: 618 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    With chill of the deep on or off and full chi I like to **** with it for AoE's when I want to put an area down with just the two we have but it takes a bit of prep time.

    399 chi - wolfemblem + focused mind - group - double spark to block - rising dragon - power dash - inner harmony - sub sea - earthen rift. takes about 10 sec and i get in roughly 15,400 with the sub sea hit and 20-26k with earthen (w/o chill of the deep on) using my half assed lvl 80+1 daggers xD
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  • Legend - Raging Tide
    Legend - Raging Tide Posts: 392 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Lol you fail at being a sin if you don't know how to properly use powerdash, powerdash is best used for pvp not pve.
    -quit-
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Lol you fail at being a sin if you don't know how to properly use powerdash, powerdash is best used for pvp not pve.

    Care to elucidate in what manner you think it is best used in PVP?

    So far this thread has corroborated my initial suspicion that it is almost useless as a stand alone skill (in pvp or pve) and is solely useful as an adjunct to Double Spark and a few other skills.
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Care to elucidate in what manner you think it is best used in PVP?

    So far this thread has corroborated my initial suspicion that it is almost useless as a stand alone skill (in pvp or pve) and is solely useful as an adjunct to Double Spark and a few other skills.

    he's a troll but here's how to use it:

    full chi in stealth (should always be for a start)

    double spark (99 chi left), wolf emblem (104 chi), maze steps (4 chi), inner harmony (159-204 chi), tackling slash and tangling mire(209-254 chi), power dash, relentless courage upon powerdash finishing and swing to victory.

    looks long but really takes 3 seconds out of stealth (not counting swings after) Guarantee you'll drop your target provided it's not a wizard who seals (DONT USE THIS ON WIZARDS. stun lock them instead) or a smart BM who uses smack.

    most BM's will roar not smack as roar is instinctual. barbs cant seal, archers just roll over dead, veno's roll over dead but watch out for nix bleed ( a sage shadow escape bonus, stealth after veno dies and bleed goes away b:laugh), clerics...just drop

    for added damage use an apothecary level 3 magic attack damage orb ( comes in fire, water, wood. i recommend wood)
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • Legend - Raging Tide
    Legend - Raging Tide Posts: 392 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    he's a troll but here's how to use it:

    full chi in stealth (should always be for a start)

    double spark (99 chi left), wolf emblem (104 chi), maze steps (4 chi), inner harmony (159-204 chi), tackling slash and tangling mire(209-254 chi), power dash, relentless courage upon powerdash finishing and swing to victory.

    looks long but really takes 3 seconds out of stealth (not counting swings after) Guarantee you'll drop your target provided it's not a wizard who seals (DONT USE THIS ON WIZARDS. stun lock them instead) or a smart BM who uses smack.

    most BM's will roar not smack as roar is instinctual. barbs cant seal, archers just roll over dead, veno's roll over dead but watch out for nix bleed ( a sage shadow escape bonus, stealth after veno dies and bleed goes away b:laugh), clerics...just drop

    for added damage use an apothecary level 3 magic attack damage orb ( comes in fire, water, wood. i recommend wood)
    i like the fire one better for barbs
    -quit-
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    he's a troll but here's how to use it:

    full chi in stealth (should always be for a start)

    double spark (99 chi left), wolf emblem (104 chi), maze steps (4 chi), inner harmony (159-204 chi), tackling slash and tangling mire(209-254 chi), power dash, relentless courage upon powerdash finishing and swing to victory.

    looks long but really takes 3 seconds out of stealth (not counting swings after) Guarantee you'll drop your target provided it's not a wizard who seals (DONT USE THIS ON WIZARDS. stun lock them instead) or a smart BM who uses smack.

    most BM's will roar not smack as roar is instinctual. barbs cant seal, archers just roll over dead, veno's roll over dead but watch out for nix bleed ( a sage shadow escape bonus, stealth after veno dies and bleed goes away b:laugh), clerics...just drop

    for added damage use an apothecary level 3 magic attack damage orb ( comes in fire, water, wood. i recommend wood)

    One word: Expel. QQ
    TEH anti-Sin genie skill. b:angry
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    i like the fire one better for barbs

    i choose wood because most 9x have gold sleeves which add water resist, and i see a few people with slightly higher fire resist due to archers arrow skill and wizards pyrogram. no one ever really cares about wood resist as veno's dont (usually)spec "wood mage"

    One word: Expel. QQ
    TEH anti-Sin genie skill. b:angry

    yes....expel would suck for any physical class....have you ever met someone who has it? i haven't. if there is anyone who uses it on you just shadow escape and pick a new target.
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • RADD_RATT - Harshlands
    RADD_RATT - Harshlands Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    powerdash is gods gift to sins. if you dont know how to use it....reroll. its not to hard to figure out. i just cant wait to combine it with triple sparks b:dirty
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    yes....expel would suck for any physical class....have you ever met someone who has it? i haven't. if there is anyone who uses it on you just shadow escape and pick a new target.

    Lucky for you. Almost every f-ing end game squishes I tried to ninja have it. You can't go invis either since you are sealed. If the skill remains that way, you can be sure most of the casters will have it soon.
  • Legend - Raging Tide
    Legend - Raging Tide Posts: 392 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    powerdash is gods gift to sins. if you dont know how to use it....reroll. its not to hard to figure out. i just cant wait to combine it with triple sparks b:dirty

    40k,40k,40k,40k,76k,40k,40k,62k,40k
    GG
    -quit-
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Lucky for you. Almost every f-ing end game squishes I tried to ninja have it. You can't go invis either since you are sealed. If the skill remains that way, you can be sure most of the casters will have it soon.

    wait...they can expel you? if thats true OMFG......
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    powerdash is gods gift to sins. if you dont know how to use it....reroll. its not to hard to figure out. i just cant wait to combine it with triple sparks b:dirty

    As far as I'm aware no one in this thread has expressed an inability to use this skill.

    I will repeat that this thread has corroborated my initial conjecture that the skill is useless on its own and is purely an adjunct to Spark and various other skills. The jilt of my query was whether the loss of spark time, through casting the skill, was compensated for by the increased crit rate during what is left of the spark time. It seems conclusive that this is the case.

    So the conclusion:

    Powerdash - a useless skill that becomes godly when applied to Spark and other skills.
  • Legend - Raging Tide
    Legend - Raging Tide Posts: 392 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    As far as I'm aware no one in this thread has expressed an inability to use this skill.

    I will repeat that this thread has corroborated my initial conjecture that the skill is useless on its own and is purely an adjunct to Spark and various other skills. The jilt of my query was whether the loss of spark time, through casting the skill, was compensated for by the increased crit rate during what is left of the spark time. It seems conclusive that this is the case.

    So the conclusion:

    Powerdash - a useless skill that becomes godly when applied to Spark and other skills.

    Double spark +headhunt only adds about 500dmg while using powerdash +wolf emblem makes the dmg x 2.3
    Its all on how and when u use it/ Sin vs sin sparking inst the smartest idea btw
    -quit-
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Double spark +headhunt only adds about 500dmg while using powerdash +wolf emblem makes the dmg x 2.3
    Its all on how and when u use it/ Sin vs sin sparking inst the smartest idea btw

    agreed. some classes 2 sparking just doesnt work well on.

    it all depends on your opponent. for sins or any class with anti-stun up i'd use powerdash after a throatcut.

    if the target doesn't have anti-stun up and i'm jumping them, i'll 2 spark >tackling

    if it's a wizard i'll 2 spark > IH > HH > Tackling > Throatcut > Rib > RDS. should kill them on throatcut unless they're highly pdef based/refined
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    wait...they can expel you? if thats true OMFG......

    Yes, they can Expel you. It's not suppose to be cast-able on people out of squad but you can. It even works on blue names so... Yeah it sucks lol.
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Yes, they can Expel you. It's not suppose to be cast-able on people out of squad but you can. It even works on blue names so... Yeah it sucks lol.

    well you learn something new every day....that's both really good...and really bad news to me b:shocked
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    well you learn something new every day....that's both really good...and really bad news to me b:shocked

    One way that I can think of to counter it is to go in with Tidal Protection and make it 50% chance. Should work in theory...