LA vs Full mage
Dr_Cherry - Archosaur
Posts: 11 Arc User
Light armore VS. robe *( title **** up )
/Discuss
im doing LA mage atm, and im 61, with 8% crit
and im loving the cirts pking haha (:
i was robe, =P but the lack of pdef hurts =P
/Discuss
im doing LA mage atm, and im 61, with 8% crit
and im loving the cirts pking haha (:i was robe, =P but the lack of pdef hurts =P
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well most here are gonna tell you LA is fail. You can get just as much PDEF going arcane with garnet shards.0
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Well, LA isnt fail if you use it the right way. It's not meant for to be a defense build, it's meant to be an offensive build by having the highest crit rate of all the veno builds 25-30% endgame given that you used a reset scroll to reset some magic and vit into dex and that you have good crit rate gears. That's the only point of the build IMO. I'm sound hyprocritical atm, but I will tell you that I am LA. I restatted first at lvl 59, hated it at first, so i stayed robe, then i restatted again at lvl 69. My intentions for this build were completely wrong. I restatted for better defense. However I came to find out that I wouldnt been better of staying arcane and sharding with garnets.
In lower lvls LA works better for cheap defense, since you probably wont be sharding much to save money, but in higher lvls especially 90+ LA is the worst armor. vit-arcane build sharded with garnets gets much better defense than LA. Also, the HA/AA build with 2 parts HA and 2 parts AA, have better defense than LA, too.
Just to show the differences... (no buffs or refines, just sharded, and in foxform.
vit-arcane at 90 with garnets http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=bc1967e375eeb551
physical def: 5348 (reduced by 60%)
magic defense: 6536 (reduced by 64%)
LA http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ca77c2a474bf0eb1
physical defense 5457 (reduced by 60%)
magic defense 4373 (reduced by 55%)
9% more magic defense and the same physical defense reduction with the vit-arcane.>.<0 -
LA after 90 = super fail*Faildom*
I don't need a Squad
Level a Venomancer to 90.
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Hhlolz - Harshlands wrote: »LA after 90 = super fail
+1
your damage comes from magic.. not dex and str unfortunately. Plus your pve get's nerfed when you're worrying more about crit rather than channeling. Channeling is good for PVE and PVP while crit is really only useful for pvp. Channeling give you more dps too.0 -
there are countless threads about that in the wizard section.
to sum up there are pros and cons in both builds according to lvl.
for pvp in general light is better until 90 because the main weakness of arcane set is physical resistance and no-one with brains will buy high grade garnets to stuff cheap low level items to survive archers. in pvp servers wearing arcane at low level means you're an easy target and will get PKed a lot. for 90+ arcanes it's cempletely different, though. it turns to be worth using high grade garnets for extra physical resistance and then arcane can have decent physical resistance, but still not as good as light. on the other hand, arcanes usually go pure, what means their final hits are excellent.
but wizards aren't same as venos and that's why light is not fail for venos. venos have both magic and melee trees. for magic attacks, the only thing that makes a difference is magic, as everyone knows. for fox form attacks your magic means nothing but extra mp. then the extra strength and dexterity required by light items makes all the difference. the extra dexterity means your base accuracy will be excellent. considering fox form bonuses, expect archer-like accuracy. your strength will also increase the damage of your melee attacks.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »there are countless threads about that in the wizard section.
to sum up there are pros and cons in both builds according to lvl.
for pvp in general light is better until 90 because the main weakness of arcane set is physical resistance and no-one with brains will buy high grade garnets to stuff cheap low level items to survive archers. in pvp servers wearing arcane at low level means you're an easy target and will get PKed a lot. for 90+ arcanes it's cempletely different, though. it turns to be worth using high grade garnets for extra physical resistance and then arcane can have decent physical resistance, but still not as good as light. on the other hand, arcanes usually go pure, what means their final hits are excellent.
but wizards aren't same as venos and that's why light is not fail for venos. venos have both magic and melee trees. for magic attacks, the only thing that makes a difference is magic, as everyone knows. for fox form attacks your magic means nothing but extra mp. then the extra strength and dexterity required by light items makes all the difference. the extra dexterity means your base accuracy will be excellent. considering fox form bonuses, expect archer-like accuracy. your strength will also increase the damage of your melee attacks.
The damage from foxform in LA actually sucks. My physical attack is 1.3k-1.7k (or somewhere around there. not in game atm. and thats with added strength stats too.) anyways using foxform skills (mostly mist, leech, or foxwallop) I usually see number of 2.3k-2.9k spamming those skills. It would be higher if i was a heavy/arcane veno since more str=more physical attack. If I were to stay LA, I would take advantage of the crit rate instead, reset my strength, and some magic, then put those added stats into dex and find crit rate ortaments (like lunar rings) and neon purgatory to up my crit rate. But, however I dont really care so much about being offensive as i do defensive. Defenses are more important to me. And as we know, LA is the worst armor for defense at 90+.>.<0 -
Hhlolz - Harshlands wrote: »LA after 90 = super failSupaRoyalty - Lost City wrote: »+1
your damage comes from magic.. not dex and str unfortunately. Plus your pve get's nerfed when you're worrying more about crit rather than channeling. Channeling is good for PVE and PVP while crit is really only useful for pvp. Channeling give you more dps too.
ITT people who never tried endgame LA.
I have over 25% crit and -37% channel and let me tell you its not "fail".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ITT people who never tried endgame LA.
I have over 25% crit and -37% channel and let me tell you its not "fail".
That was the point I was trying to get across, using references I've seen from what you've said about your build on the forums. I agree you have a really awesome LA build. (probably best i've seen) But, it does seem exspensive to keep up having to find all those crit rate ortaments too. especially items like lunar rings and wing trophy capes. However, any build can be costly though, especially if you want it to be the best it can be. I completely agree that LA is best used if taken advantage of the crit rate you can gain from it. It just seems that alot of LA venos I see at 90+ are still trying to use it for a defensive build when we all know it has the worst defenses.>.<0 -
ITT people who never tried endgame LA.
I have over 25% crit and -37% channel and let me tell you its not "fail".
Well no joke.. with that it isn't fail. But what percentage of players have that? If less than 1% of 90+ have that it's not that reliable. In fact... I don't even know anything that gives -channeling and +crit lol0 -
TT100 magic weapon, lunar rings, nirvana robe pantsSupaRoyalty - Lost City wrote: »Well no joke.. with that it isn't fail. But what percentage of players have that? If less than 1% of 90+ have that it's not that reliable. In fact... I don't even know anything that gives -channeling and +crit lol
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Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »Interesting. Can I see your character? I'm really curious as to how her stats look.
Not exact, but close to this: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7c6bb31cc5961b04
Leaf dance and demon wood give 4% more crit.
I'm hoping to increase my HP, defence and crit after I get some nirvana gear.SupaRoyalty - Lost City wrote: »But what percentage of players have that? If less than 1% of 90+ have that it's not that reliable.
Not a lot, I agree. But its possible to achieve such stats in the long run with a bit of perseverance; took me more then a year to get there.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »Well, LA isnt fail if you use it the right way.
Just to show the differences... (no buffs or refines, just sharded, and in foxform.
vit-arcane at 90 with garnets http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=bc1967e375eeb551
physical def: 5348 (reduced by 60%)
magic defense: 6536 (reduced by 64%)
LA http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ca77c2a474bf0eb1
physical defense 5457 (reduced by 60%)
magic defense 4373 (reduced by 55%)
9% more magic defense and the same physical defense reduction with the vit-arcane.
ummm... why did you give the arcane vit build full 4 socket tt90 with 4 immac garnets each? and leave the LA example with no shards whatsoever?
if you are going to make 2 equal examples they have to have equal gear.
LA works at end-game but only if you play it right. ive been LA since lvl1 and play a hybrid LA/AA veno and enjoy it greatly cause i chose not to listen to a years worth of players saying on the forums that LA was fail and ive found it quite non-fail and fun to play and know many lvl90+ veno's who will say the same thing.lvl101 LA/AA demon veno ftw, 15251 hp buffed, 13508 buffed pdef in human. able to use tt100 fists at 5 aps w/ genie. all from 2 years of work... WASTED
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probably because you only use citrine shards on LA so its only hp difference not defencesMaiira - Sanctuary wrote: »ummm... why did you give the arcane vit build full 4 socket tt90 with 4 immac garnets each? and leave the LA example with no shards whatsoever?0 -
Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »ummm... why did you give the arcane vit build full 4 socket tt90 with 4 immac garnets each? and leave the LA example with no shards whatsoever?
if you are going to make 2 equal examples they have to have equal gear.
LA works at end-game but only if you play it right. ive been LA since lvl1 and play a hybrid LA/AA veno and enjoy it greatly cause i chose not to listen to a years worth of players saying on the forums that LA was fail and ive found it quite non-fail and fun to play and know many lvl90+ veno's who will say the same thing.
Yea, what kenlee said. because 9/10 times you'll probably use citrines for LA and garnets for AA. I was weighing defenses not HP, thats why i didn't build a "complete" build.>.<0 -
I prefer my AA build but I've also got a swap out between Vit ornaments and Channeling ornaments. I did stat more into vit starting in my 80s due to TW but still have my high lvl of magic...not quite at the 400+ of some strictly mage forms but pretty close. I also took into account my preferred play style, sage/demon aspects and it's worked well for me.
Take the information everyone's provided and then do what you think is best for you....I'm happy the way I'm built, and know that my build might not fit someone else but as long as your build works for you do what you want to put the best into your game play.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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