Your opinions on weapons?

PULSE_ - Archosaur

Just wondering what weapons are good to use. Still not sure currently, I've always been fond of swords, but from the looks of things they aren't as useful as using an axe or (insert weapon here: ____). Just wanna know what weapons should I use to start off with. Thanks in advance.

oyamajio

Axe all the way to 100. Save $ never refine pass 5 till 100, then switch to fist, try to get as much - interval gear as u canb:bye

PULSE_ - Archosaur

Axe, eh? And will manufacturing my own gear be good enough on its own, or should I try to get even better gear than that?

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Why axes til 100? I'd think it's the other way around. Starting with fists or single blade make you kill things faster and it'll save you pots. You won't need to AoE til later anyways so can always add axes if needed.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why axes til 100? I'd think it's the other way around. Starting with fists or single blade make you kill things faster and it'll save you pots. You won't need to AoE til later anyways so can always add axes if needed.

Fists aren't really all that great until later on when you can stack -int, and mid game -int gear is expensive and rare. You're correct that AoE grinding doesn't really take place until later on, but having your axe AoE's maxed will be relatively important when you do start. Personally I'd pick axe or poleblade so you're intimately familiar with them and can AoE grind quest mobs until you hit late 8x early 9x when you can start diversifying more. Up until then spirit points will be a commodity that you need to wisely use. Sword is really good for single mob, but most sword or pole BMs end up going axes by 70-80. Some don't, and I fully respect their choices, because if it suits your playstyle, that's your best option, however axes are far more useful in parties. I really respect those that go fists from the beginning, but that's a tough road, imo.

Tough choice to make really, and once you make the initial choice, you don't have much room to change until you're higher level. I'd pick maxed skills in one tree over not being able to afford spirit/coin on several skill branch any time of the day. I didn't start playing other paths until all my primary skills were maxed, and when you're 6x-9x you'll actually notice a difference when in party with another BM who hasn't done so.

__Nanayo__ - Dreamweaver

While it's true fists don't shine without -interval, they still blow every practically every other weapon out of the water in terms of Chi production. And to be fair, early on you'd only need to learn Shadowless Kick and keep Fist Mastery up to date to make use of their biggest strengths (single target DD and canceling). Granted, that's still a bit of extra spirit to make up, but that could be handled by feeding a genie some exp from time to time.

Might mean leveling a bit slower, but maybe worth it? Not like it's hard to blow through the lower levels these days either way... X_X

Iulius - Heavens Tear

Think going axe until 70s 80s is a good solution as most partys whants/needs a bm whit aoe skills up to date not counting is more easy to grind mobs using aoe . Still the beauty of bm is you can chose so meny paths and in the end whit some luck and being rich (i am not) you can be decend at all of them. My choice is i go axe all at max (skills and try to have lates axe for my lvl) and swiching a litle to fist as they are grate for chi....

Granrey - Sanctuary

PULSE_ - Archosaur wrote: »

Just wondering what weapons are good to use. Still not sure currently, I've always been fond of swords, but from the looks of things they aren't as useful as using an axe or (insert weapon here: ____). Just wanna know what weapons should I use to start off with. Thanks in advance.

It all depends and what you plan to do in game but for squads purposes, every class has its role to play.

For BM we are expected to have the axes skills. No squad will ask you to use a Bm skill outside from axes.

However, your goal should be a some point to be multiweapon. Skills I recomend:

max all axes skills but the first one is good enough for stun purposes and mag cancelling up to level 1. Pretty much this weapon is for when you are facing several opponents and when you are in squad and they want you to do BM role.

From fists, get shadowless kick up to level 1 and max cyclone hill as well as the mastery. Use this weapon when facing single mobs, you will save tons of coins by doing so.

Dont forget that you dont need the weapon to use fists skills.

extra spirits and extra cash.

From sword, this was weapon was my high school crush so to speak b:chuckle but I would suggest to max atmos strike, the mastery and myriad of sword stance.

Myriad and Atmos are probably the most underated skills from the BM tree but at the same time, some of the most powerfull.


Again, max the sword skills with extra cash and extra coins.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

Pick a main weapon path of your choice till around 7X. Around then you can splice into another weapon path a little bit.

The only option really IMO to multipath earlier is if you decide to use fists/insert weapon here. Fists are the cheapest SP/Coin wise to use. As said by __Nanayo__, all you really need is fist weapon mastery and shadowless kick.

Axes are a great weapon for 360 degree aoes
Spear linear Aoe's (honestly i prefer axes. woot)
Sword 1v1 skills good
Fists auto attack rate and chi build awesome

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

For BM we are expected to have the axes skills. No squad will ask you to use a Bm skill outside from axes.

*facepalm* You really think BH29 squad will say you: SPAM HF!!!!. I doubt that. And seriously, axe BM is of course preferred, but you will not be kicked from squad if you are using other weapons, unless it's a FCC/RB squad.

I suggest you get swords at first, check your build so you can get axes, and don't upgrade your sword skills too much. Instead, use both weapons, but only level axe skills.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

*facepalm* You really think BH29 squad will say you: SPAM HF!!!!.

By the time you get dragons, you won't have bh29... unless you're there just to help....

vincentx93

you guy`s detter watch out i might pk you

vincentx93

you guy`s better watch out i might pk you

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

By the time you get dragons, you won't have bh29... unless you're there just to help....

That's what I meant.

Kristoph - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Fists aren't really all that great until later on when you can stack -int, and mid game -int gear is expensive and rare.

Even at 7x I completely **** barb agro in bh59 with -0.15 interval. Now that does take some money since I have the lv60 mold wrists but even with crappy lv64 wrists with 0.05 and 73 fists with 0.05 I was able to keep agro off of wizards/archers/other BMs without any real problem. I've leveled my BM from 1 as a fist build and I never needed much pots after getting sutra. Only MP used = sutra and HP is almost completely covered by sutra alone at some mobs. It's also really easy on skills early on, can work on basic ones like sprint/golden bell/aeolian and the only other thing you'll need is lv1 skills and fist mastery.


And for the love of god don't touch sword skills until you really have nothing better to waste spirit on, they're completely useless. Even if you like swords you can get one and mess around with it for fun, it's still not worth wasting spirit on mastery.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

And for the love of god don't touch sword skills until you really have nothing better to waste spirit on, they're completely useless. Even if you like swords you can get one and mess around with it for fun, it's still not worth wasting spirit on mastery.

Lol inbe4flame.

Motoko - Raging Tide

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Lol inbe4flame.

Why? hes is right. lvl 1 of each skill for debuff/knockback, everything else is pretty bad, compared to other trees.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Motoko - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why? hes is right. lvl 1 of each skill for debuff/knockback, everything else is pretty bad, compared to other trees.

Doesn't mean there won't be flamings. b:chuckle

Zyfou - Heavens Tear

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Doesn't mean there won't be flamings. b:chuckle

*flame*

You have not lived until you have used your own Heaven's Flame your own Sword Stance.

b:dirty

wolfy26

Before I start my rant dont stare blank at my level, I originate from PW MY and I know my business

First off, I agree with the sword skills sucking big. However, myriad sword stance definitely stands out and imho is a must have for any BM. Why? I think any average (read: average, not OP tanks that have xxxxxxxx HP) tank would love a period where a boss has reduced physical damage and magical damage. Cuts some slack for the priests too. And seeing 90+ have 3 spark points anyway, one can easily spam heavens flame and myriad sword stance right after another and use fists to fill it up again.

And that swords suck: no comment. I have been using swords for a long time on PW MY, and some swords stand out and some dont. But if used right (iow dont bother with the skills except myriad sword stance) and with wind shield they still deal quite the punch.

I myself am using fists, all the way. And personally, I think its utter bull to say one cannot aoe with fists. Position yourself right and one can spam fan of flames, drake sweep and cyclone heel in succession with the latter increasing ownself attack speed. Top that off with genie its wind shield to negate some damage received and increase attack speed even more, mobs will be down in no time at all. Add tangling mire to reduce physical defense, they will be down even faster

All I want to say is, dont underestimate the aoe qualities of fists. And those who say to only max shadowless kick and fist mastery: forgot about cyclone heel? The one skill every fist BM looks forward to having...

Btw, to enhance the role of non axe BMs, I would say get extreme poison for your genie. Then we are still a bit useful in squads if heavens flame is not in your skill list.

Despite my love for fists, I still think any BM should just use all weapons. Doing so, you have an answer for every situation imaginable whether it is to kill single mobs fast, aoe a group with priest back up etc. I will probably end up using axes next to fists, solely to be more of a help in a squad.

Kaste - Sanctuary

wolfy26 wrote: »

And those who say to only max shadowless kick and fist mastery: forgot about cyclone heel? The one skill every fist BM looks forward to having...

Well I agree about what you said, but I have to say that cyclone heel has to be maxed, no matter what weapon the BM uses. Even if level 10 cyclone heel affects fist more then other wepons, it is still nice to have 12% faster hit on every weapon:
unequip your weapons - use cyclone heel - equip weapon

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

when multipathing using your spirit points wisely is part of the game. Cyclone heel really isn't needed till later IMO.

Argh..must do next culti to learn my demon cyclone....grr... b:sad

Chaira - Dreamweaver

Why would you ever want to max Shadowless Kick when only the dmg is going up while main dmg from fist still comes from autoattack? So I'd say save the SP there and better get Cyclone Heel.

Nudefoxy - Lost City

i am a friendly fist bm so let me hug u.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

Chaira - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why would you ever want to max Shadowless Kick when only the dmg is going up while main dmg from fist still comes from autoattack? So I'd say save the SP there and better get Cyclone Heel.

No one said max shadowless kick. All you need is level one and fist mastery to make good use of fists.

Cyclone helps latter on.

Granrey - Sanctuary

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

*facepalm* You really think BH29 squad will say you: SPAM HF!!!!. I doubt that. And seriously, axe BM is of course preferred, but you will not be kicked from squad if you are using other weapons, unless it's a FCC/RB squad.

you are validating my point with your "unless" and you are missing other aspects of the game like Zen (well, i guess people dont do it anymore lol).

My main weapons is fists/sword. Axes is just to satisty the agreed role that people have for BM, since my other use for this weapon is when I;m facing several mobs at once.

BTW, have you ever been asked to use a sword/fists/pole skill in a squad? Probably not, but the question is most likely yes with an axes skill.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

BTW, have you ever been asked to use a sword/fists/pole skill in a squad? Probably not, but the question is most likely yes with an axes skill.

True, but throwing in a Shadowless Kick is never a bad idea.