just to make things clear :D

Watter - Lost City

THIS IS NOT A SAGE X DEMON THREAD b:sweat

I know that most of these are in ecatomb, but i'm just asking for the rigyht interpretation... maybe i understood it wrong... so, there it goes...

1- why pple say Sage BIDS is OP comparing to Demon BIDS? i mean, the magical nuke is the same (13955 + 500% weap damage)

2- Sage Dragon's Breath's stun chance counts only for the first hit after cast or counts for every hit constantly?

3-i've tested before and my maxed stone barrier con't really doubles my physical defense neither my earth defense... it's kinda 90%... but doesn't trully double at all... is it normal? '-'

4- Does Divine Pyro or Glacial Snare stack with undine?

5- Demon Dragon's Breath's chance to gain HP counts only for the first hit after cast or counts for every hit constantly?

6- Sage Hailstorm coubles damage when the target freezes right?

7- Is it cool when u have Sage BIDS and u go to a TW and u cast it and see that sickly powerful dragon soar up in the sky and strike down killin that bunch of pple in the area? (omg, i'll cry when i feel that ;D -lol)

k, the last one was just kiddin, but answer it, sages >.>''
ya, byw i'll go sage...
well, hope i don't get hit by a stone o.o''
^-^

Helbear - Heavens Tear

Watter - Lost City wrote: »

THIS IS NOT A SAGE X DEMON THREAD b:sweat

I know that most of these are in ecatomb, but i'm just asking for the rigyht interpretation... maybe i understood it wrong... so, there it goes...

1- why pple say Sage BIDS is OP comparing to Demon BIDS? i mean, the magical nuke is the same (13955 + 500% weap damage)

Sage BIDS has a 50% chance to increase magic critical hit rate by 30% thats why.

2- Sage Dragon's Breath's stun chance counts only for the first hit after cast or counts for every hit constantly?

I think its for every hit it does thats why people don't want to actually learn it.

3-i've tested before and my maxed stone barrier con't really doubles my physical defense neither my earth defense... it's kinda 90%... but doesn't trully double at all... is it normal? '-'

I think it adds the % by the base amount

4- Does Divine Pyro or Glacial Snare stack with undine?

It should do, but could be wrong

5- Demon Dragon's Breath's chance to gain HP counts only for the first hit after cast or counts for every hit constantly?

Once again I think it is based on every hit but again I could be wrong

6- Sage Hailstorm coubles damage when the target freezes right?

By what etacomb says that is true. Only the ones frozen get the extra damage on them.

7- Is it cool when u have Sage BIDS and u go to a TW and u cast it and see that sickly powerful dragon soar up in the sky and strike down killin that bunch of pple in the area? (omg, i'll cry when i feel that ;D -lol)

HELL YES! I cant wait myself

k, the last one was just kiddin, but answer it, sages >.>''
ya, byw i'll go sage...
well, hope i don't get hit by a stone o.o''
^-^

Answers in red, I answered to the best of my ability since im only level 74 b:pleased

Ishmah - Sanctuary

Watter - Lost City wrote: »

5- Demon Dragon's Breath's chance to gain HP counts only for the first hit after cast or counts for every hit constantly?

Demon Dragon's Breath has a 25% chance to heal per cycle (not per hit).

This can be demonstrated by leaving it up after all mobs are dead & waiting to be healed back to 100% when not hitting any mobs.

_Vivio_ - Sanctuary

1.) Demon has a 20% chance to save one spark. Sage is a 50% chance to get 30% extra crit that means if i have 10% crit if Sage BIDS procs I have 40% crit for the next six seconds and it counts for the BIDS itself.

2.) No idea. All I know is its a no no for rebirth. You don't want to give your party headaches since the stun resets agro. If you want to learn it go ahead but I sure aint.

3.) No, it doesn't exactly double the numbers of your pdef. Its normal don't worry about it.

4.) No, it doesn't stack or overwrite it either. w/e you use first will keep the debuff for that duration. An example if I use sage glacial snare and then undine, the water debuff will still be only 30% not 60%. Yes, I've tested this out and I have sage glacial snare.

5.) No idea, not a demon.

6.) No, it doesn't double it. All it does is if it freezes it adds about roughly 15-20% more damage of what the skill itself does as a DOT.

7.) Its awesome if it crits and not quite as awesome when it doesn't.

BrownflameZ - Lost City

_Vivio_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

1.) Demon has a 20% chance to save one spark. Sage is a 50% chance to get 30% extra crit that means if i have 10% crit if Sage BIDS procs I have 40% crit for the next six seconds and it counts for the BIDS itself.

2.) No idea. All I know is its a no no for rebirth. You don't want to give your party headaches since the stun resets agro. If you want to learn it go ahead but I sure aint.

3.) No, it doesn't exactly double the numbers of your pdef. Its normal don't worry about it.

4.) No, it doesn't stack or overwrite it either. w/e you use first will keep the debuff for that duration. An example if I use sage glacial snare and then undine, the water debuff will still be only 30% not 60%. Yes, I've tested this out and I have sage glacial snare.

5.) No idea, not a demon.

6.) No, it doesn't double it. All it does is if it freezes it adds about roughly 15-20% more damage of what the skill itself does as a DOT.

7.) Its awesome if it crits and not quite as awesome when it doesn't.

To add on to answer 4:

You can still undine and use glacial snare to get the 60% reduction. But you wont be undining every target in world PvP or TW. So think about it as +dmg mod in a sense. Sure hits pretty damn hard.

P.S Your questions have been answered countless times on these forums. Do a search once in a while.

_Vivio_ - Sanctuary

BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »

To add on to answer 4:

You can still undine and use glacial snare to get the 60% reduction. But you wont be undining every target in world PvP or TW. So think about it as +dmg mod in a sense. Sure hits pretty damn hard.

P.S Your questions have been answered countless times on these forums. Do a search once in a while.

Yep.

edit - lol i just realized BIDS proc lasts 10 seconds not 6 >.> i swore i thought i saw it say 6.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Yea I think stone shield gives you a bonus to your equipment def, just like cleric bufs.

It doesn't facter in the vit/str bonuses, so it's not 100% (but because of our low str/vit, it'll be close to 100%)

Ursa - Dreamweaver

^ this

/10char

Watter - Lost City

_Vivio_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

1.) Demon has a 20% chance to save one spark. Sage is a 50% chance to get 30% extra crit that means if i have 10% crit if Sage BIDS procs I have 40% crit for the next six seconds and it counts for the BIDS itself.

2.) No idea. All I know is its a no no for rebirth. You don't want to give your party headaches since the stun resets agro. If you want to learn it go ahead but I sure aint.

3.) No, it doesn't exactly double the numbers of your pdef. Its normal don't worry about it.

4.) No, it doesn't stack or overwrite it either. w/e you use first will keep the debuff for that duration. An example if I use sage glacial snare and then undine, the water debuff will still be only 30% not 60%. Yes, I've tested this out and I have sage glacial snare.

5.) No idea, not a demon.

6.) No, it doesn't double it. All it does is if it freezes it adds about roughly 15-20% more damage of what the skill itself does as a DOT.

7.) Its awesome if it crits and not quite as awesome when it doesn't.

omg, the crit counts to BIDS! so that's why *---* omg omg omg lol so nice! b:kiss
thk u so much and thx to all the pple aswell ^-^ it really cleared my doubts ^-^

P.S.:and i do did research, but the threads i found didn't exactly match with what i wanted... :T

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

I'm starting to wonder...

Can you cancel sage bids during channeling to get the critical hit buff like you can with the BM fist ulti to get the fire buff? Or does it apply it after channeling is finished?

Adroit - Lost City

WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm starting to wonder...

Can you cancel sage bids during channeling to get the critical hit buff like you can with the BM fist ulti to get the fire buff? Or does it apply it after channeling is finished?

I can tell you that I've tried to dragon targets that are moving out of my range.. sometimes I will get the crit buff without wasting sparks, although most the time it just casts. Never tried to do this intentionally.. so no idea how difficult/possible it would be. I'm guessing it applies after channeling is finished, because I'm often forced to cancel dragon 1v1 when my opponent gets the shield from TE or solidshield etc.. and I've never gotten the crit buff in that situation.

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Hmm damn, try it, but cancel it by switching to an incompatible weapon(like a spear or sword) thats the trick I use to make my BM's damage 80% fire before dropping HF.

Adroit - Lost City

WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmm damn, try it, but cancel it by switching to an incompatible weapon(like a spear or sword) thats the trick I use to make my BM's damage 80% fire before dropping HF.

I'll try that when I get home xD Do I need to switch weapons like right before it gets off? Or just after the channeling starts?

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Try it late into the channeling but try not to cast it... Not sure if it will work, but it's worth a try.

Adroit - Lost City

WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Try it late into the channeling but try not to cast it... Not sure if it will work, but it's worth a try.

lol k, I'm in school for the next 6-7 hours.. (this is my long day.. noon to 9pm for me) but I'll let you know tonight XD

Lyzzern - Lost City

Watter - Lost City wrote: »

3-i've tested before and my maxed stone barrier con't really doubles my physical defense neither my earth defense... it's kinda 90%... but doesn't trully double at all... is it normal? '-'
It doesn't add 100% your P.Def, it adds 100% your Gear's P. Def, just like all buffs, they're all gear based.

4- Does Divine Pyro or Glacial Snare stack with undine?
As far as I've read, no they don't. Sage is kinda useless on nukes.

6- Sage Hailstorm coubles damage when the target freezes right?
It doesn't double damage like a crit, it doubles the damage you do - the target's M. Def - The level difference (Attack/Defense levels) and - the PvP penalty.

Lyzzern - Lost City

Watter - Lost City wrote: »

3-i've tested before and my maxed stone barrier con't really doubles my physical defense neither my earth defense... it's kinda 90%... but doesn't trully double at all... is it normal? '-'
It doesn't add 100% your P.Def, it adds 100% your Gear's P. Def, just like all buffs, they're all gear based.

4- Does Divine Pyro or Glacial Snare stack with undine?
As far as I've read, no they don't. Sage is kinda useless on nukes.
6- Sage Hailstorm coubles damage when the target freezes right?
It doesn't double damage like a crit, it doubles the damage you do - the target's M. Def - The level difference (Attack/Defense levels) and - the PvP penalty.

Having troubles editing O.o

Adroit - Lost City

Lyzzern - Lost City wrote: »

Having troubles editing O.o

sage "nukes" just do more damage than lvl 10 nukes.. and if you were to use undine and then use gs/dp in sutra.. there would be no difference between sage/demon version of those skills. You are totally wrong for sage hailstorm, if the freeze procs, it adds a water DoT that does negligible damage.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Demon versions are faster though. Makes them more damaging on average DPS.

_makina_ - Sanctuary

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Demon versions are faster though. Makes them more damaging on average DPS.

If you haven't noticed this thread isnt a sage vs demon thread. Person asked questions they were answered like a month ago almost.

Didn't know you like to use divine pryo regularly (since that's the only way you'll benefit from the channeling) b:spit . Glacial snare same damage and if your going for dps u'd rather use gush pryo repeat combo.

brownflamer

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Demon versions are faster though. Makes them more damaging on average DPS.

DPS = fistBM/assasins

We are wizards....Hard hitters....DPH..is what we should care about.....


ps... I'm half-joking

Borsuc - Raging Tide

DPH -> Divine Pyro hits harder than Pyro. b:mischievous

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Sage Pyrogram -> Divine Pyrogram