Party ol' Wipe

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

First Thread ever made! woot!!! okay okay where do i start? hmm.. on yes.

If everyone dies "Protecting" you when you can handle things alone, is it really your fault?
b:angry i mean really, is it so hard to leave things be?b:cry

Alliptica - Raging Tide

um thats why i dont try to save clerics unless i really care about the cleric.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Not really your fault, but meh.

I call it second nature when I rush in even with my assassin to save a cleric from getting killed, even if they can/should be able to handle it themselves.

The cleric should stay alive at all costs, but he or she can't stay alive without a meat-shield of some sort, taking all the damage, from a SNOT load of mobs. They can easily handle themselves under the right circumstances.

So it CAN go both ways.

EDIT: (Edited something that's now in italicize)

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not really your fault, but meh.

I call it second nature when I rush in even with my assassin to save a cleric from getting killed, even if they can/should be able to handle it themselves.

The cleric should stay alive at all costs, but he or she can't stay alive without a meat-shield of some sort, taking all the damage.

So it CAN go both ways.

I like the first sentence better, the second makes it sound like they cant protect themselves at all. But i agree, stay alive at all cost.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I like the first sentence better, the second makes it sound like they cant protect themselves at all. But i agree, stay alive at all cost.

You are indeed right it does kind of sound like that, ill fix that.... asap...

I know plenty of clerics that can handle themselves pretty well, but they can easily get overran by mobs, as can all other classes, but if any other class does get overran, and the cleric hasn't healed/doesn't have too many mobs to contend against, then that is nice for the cleric, and for the rest of the squad, no running back if the cleric doesn't have a res scroll, clerics can handle one or two mobs alone a lot better then 5+ mobs after them, though the same could easily be said about other classes.

FruityMelons - Heavens Tear

As a sin I have a problem with "giving" aggro to clerics...

I'll go in, get 2 or 3 mobs or something in an instance... and the cleric sees me take a hit and starts channeling a heal about the same time I start channeling to go invisible. The heal fires off and the aggro switches to the cleric.. suddenly it's a "save the cleric" battle.

I learned to instruct clerics to NOT heal me unless they see me running. If I'm standing still, I am channeling to go invisible.

It's not so much the clerics fault as it's a overall issue of the assassin class and people getting used to the abilities.

I was in a PK or be PK'd room in the cube the other day and took down someone 20 levels higher than me without an issue... mainly because they had no idea what to do to defend against an assassin... Stun, immobolize, decrease atk speed, stun again... DD til dead. It was like a deer in the headlights...

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

So true, But when the day come that a heavy cash shopper beat Harpy Wraith with a cleric im sure we all will be bragging for the next 100 years.b:laugh

Ewen - Harshlands

FruityMelons - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As a sin I have a problem with "giving" aggro to clerics...

I'll go in, get 2 or 3 mobs or something in an instance... and the cleric sees me take a hit and starts channeling a heal about the same time I start channeling to go invisible. The heal fires off and the aggro switches to the cleric.. suddenly it's a "save the cleric" battle.

I learned to instruct clerics to NOT heal me unless they see me running. If I'm standing still, I am channeling to go invisible.

It's not so much the clerics fault as it's a overall issue of the assassin class and people getting used to the abilities.

I was in a PK or be PK'd room in the cube the other day and took down someone 20 levels higher than me without an issue... mainly because they had no idea what to do to defend against an assassin... Stun, immobolize, decrease atk speed, stun again... DD til dead. It was like a deer in the headlights...

Most of the clerics should know that they take agro when they're healing people who haven't hitted to the mobs which got agro on them. Atleast I just let people die if they don't take agro from mobs, since its much easier to just revive them than go to town myself and loose exp. b:sad

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

Then we have the trouble of everyone saying we cant heal, we fail, bla bla bla. Much love. b:bye

GohanX - Dreamweaver

Both sides of fighting styles in this game, melee and magic, have weaknesses in their opposite. In a squad it is the duty of the melees to protect the magics from melee mobs and the duty of the magics to protect the melees from the magic mobs. Within reason of course, you are supposed to rush to help when someone runs into trouble regardless of whos fault it is.

Besides, as long as the cleric has even 1 HP, nobody in the squad has truly died.

Magicgabe - Lost City

i've learned four things

1) if someone is getting mobbed and someone doesn't AOE those mobs...don't do anything. Its often easier to let people die, run away, and then come back and rez them. I use this judiciously though, since people can get upset.

2) it seems that dealing with crowds mobs is a BMs job in any dungeon. BM's got a lot of AOEs and lots of defense. They're probably ideal for the job. If they don't realize this, they're kinda fail.

3) A cleric should be able to tank a few mobs if neccessary( like 1-3, but not 20+ phy attack mobs)

4) BB solves a lot of problems, if many squad members are getting mobbed and most of the mobs have been agrooed.

Fuyukoneko - Heavens Tear

If I aggro anything, I expect my party to watch my back -- and then I'll watch theirs. I have this big delay when it comes to healing myself because I'm usually watching the party list like a hawk. By the time I notice my own health, switch to my own icon, and start spamming heals ---- I'm usually dead. And then my party will hear me grumble and grumble as I drag my **** back to town.

That being said... I'm not sure how I can handle something that has the potential to cause an entire party wipe O_o

Samsoul - Lost City

I reckon if the cleric is good, they're worth saving. Any other squad members can kiss my fishy butt.


But theres times when you shouldn't. For example.. Bh51, someone aggros fushma when we don't want to fight him.

If you let the person die, de-aggro. WHOOP.


But nope. I'm a real sucker for male clerics. I even save the bad ones.

Sherlina - Harshlands

Besides, as long as the cleric has even 1 HP, nobody in the squad has truly died.

Much love for that remark from a cleric who loves her job.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

TBH i don't fully understand the OP. A full party wiped protecting the cleric from a scenario he would have survived on his own? Really, this must have been an absurdly incompetent squad... In fact i can't really think of what said scenario would have involved. Barb, Bm and Veno should be able to handle multiple phys elites (which i don't see Clerics being especially profficient at, or else i've wasted a lot of my time and xp towning with Clerics or going back to an instance's entrance to guard them) and in fact all other DD classes should be at least as capable as a Cleric in handling strays and such.

If they blamed the Cleric then maybe the squad was taking shortcuts and a certain someone aggroed something he shouldn't have...

It sounds arrogant man. If you can handle it chances the rest of the squad can manage too. And seeing the consequences of having a Cleric die i would say it's always better to have someone else try. Even if the guys you squaded with were noobs their instincts (protecting the Cleric) were in the right place. WTF is this about? Care to clarify?

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

TBH i don't fully understand the OP. A full party wiped protecting the cleric from a scenario he would have survived on his own? Really, this must have been an absurdly incompetent squad... In fact i can't really think of what said scenario would have involved. Barb, Bm and Veno should be able to handle multiple phys elites (which i don't see Clerics being especially profficient at, or else i've wasted a lot of my time and xp towning with Clerics or going back to an instance's entrance to guard them) and in fact all other DD classes should be at least as capable as a Cleric in handling strays and such.

If they blamed the Cleric then maybe the squad was taking shortcuts and a certain someone aggroed something he shouldn't have...

It sounds arrogant man. If you can handle it chances the rest of the squad can manage too. And seeing the consequences of having a Cleric die i would say it's always better to have someone else try. Even if the guys you squaded with were noobs their instincts (protecting the Cleric) were in the right place. WTF is this about? Care to clarify?

Wow i forgot i even made this thread. To clarify, It was a bh39 first boss. For some reason they had it in their head that a lvl 80+ cleric couldnt handle it so they all swarmed in and got killed by aoe while i was in the middle of a badly slowed (slow debuff lol) tempest that would have killed all the mobs in 1 hit. Necroed my own thread lol.

Cenminator - Dreamweaver

am i the only cleric with alphamale on his genie? lol plume shell plus alpha male and stack ironheart until barb can roar. why all clerics seem to be afraid to take any dmg is lost on me, maybe its just the complete lack of skill required to get high level now?

/Gohan - Dreamweaver6

Holy ****** necro

Cenminator - Dreamweaver

/Gohan - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Holy ****** necro

lol good call, i need to start checking thread dates before posting

ACLucius - Archosaur

It's just instinct to protect the Cleric. Anytime I see the Barb die and all mobs/boss head for the Cleric, I instantly put Alpha Male up and run my **** forward to stealth out.

P.S. DON'T NECRO!

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

ffs s.t.f.u. with that necro stuff.. it was op who rezed topic


@Cenminatol

lol alpha male.. kinda interesting but -uhh- extreme?.. i can knowingly aggro mobs with seals or heal but alpha? b:shocked

it s hard to get mobs from u then.


i guess it apply when doing lower lvl instances

Umivee - Dreamweaver

Future.. if anybody had to save the only Cleric I know who walks into danger..

The World has ended.

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

Umivee - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Future.. if anybody had to save the only Cleric I know who walks into danger..

The World has ended.

b:shocked How did you find out where i live?!

And i don't "walk" into danger i run into it....or tempest it as the situation allows..

... Except those times when i didn't feel like running and walked...moving on now...