FAC shards.

Greggory - Dreamweaver
Greggory - Dreamweaver Posts: 13 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Cleric
Citrine, Garnet, or combo?

thanks.
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  • YuYuu - Dreamweaver
    YuYuu - Dreamweaver Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    some will say citrine, others, garnet

    i prefer garnet ^.^
  • Greggory - Dreamweaver
    Greggory - Dreamweaver Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Hmm. does the garnet actually make you live longer though?
  • Asmodiel - Heavens Tear
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,442 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    garnet increases your physical defense, not your hp.
    you'll endure slightly more phys attacks
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  • Greggory - Dreamweaver
    Greggory - Dreamweaver Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I know that. but how much physical defense is it exactly?

    is it worthwhile. If I dont' have any HP to backup the phys def. is it still worth it?
  • Asmodiel - Heavens Tear
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,442 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    i see quite alot of 80+ clerics who use flawless/immax garnets in their gear, so must be worth it at that lvl
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  • Greggory - Dreamweaver
    Greggory - Dreamweaver Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    so until high level, I should go citrine?
  • Mrvate - Heavens Tear
    Mrvate - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    imo I prefer garnet. for clerics as long as you have enough hp to last for 3 sec for ih to "tick", you have enough hp to back it up. The advantages to sharding garnet also is that hp you can get easier then pdef. and having higher def increases your survivability more then hp imo since if you only heal (using # for example only) say 100 in a heal, and you take 120 dmg each time enemy hits you, having higher hp pool isn't going to save you. only postpone your death. while having higher defences so he only hits you at 90, means you can actually take the hits, until someone else can take care of whatever is hitting you.
  • Greggory - Dreamweaver
    Greggory - Dreamweaver Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mrvate wins :O I'll go garnet.
  • Mrvate - Heavens Tear
    Mrvate - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Just something to clarify I'm not full garnet (though I want to be) my pants and sleaves are sharded with citrines. And if you are pure mag, I'd personally recommend you start putting in vit (simply as it is not a viable build for the money until much much later). or put in some citrines to up your hp.

    Also sharding with garnet and having a lower hp pool can make some ignorant people not take you on runs because, "you don't have 5k unbuffed". but ignorant people will be ignorant.
  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    First off: FAC/FSC do not exist. There are only clerics. You have attack skills, you have support skills; they are all cleric skills, so they are part of being a cleric. The sooner you ditch the FAC/FSC mindset, the better.

    As for HP, most end-game clerics are vit build hybrids; so at 90+ you want to be looking at having about 5k HP unbuffed with a good amount of physical defense. If you can reach that 5k, shard everything else with garnet.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I would go with a combo of garnets and citrines.Garnets in top and leggings and citrines in boots,guanlets and cape.
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  • Calitae - Sanctuary
    Calitae - Sanctuary Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    There is also the option of refining armour for HP, which is what I'm doing with my TT90 set. That will be costly.. but I dont like wasting sockets with Citrines, not on the major pieces. If i put citrines in anything, they go in the hat and the cape.
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  • Jette - Lost City
    Jette - Lost City Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I think when people say FAC or FSC they are talking about their method of group pvp or 1v1 pvp....grant it, it is hard to get 1v1 these days xD

    I was doing some research with the pwi calculator program, I can get to 3000 pdef unbuffed with immac garnets (assuming that all gear is 3 socket, that sockets are available)...and 90 gold protection necklace and belt at +5 each....the thing is I don't know how much it will reduce physical damage after being buffed....also the hp at everything +5 was around 4.5k hp unbuffed at full mag (not getting into the discussion if full mag is fail or good)....this is with all 99 gold gear and the 99 gold magic sword...
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The OP is a low lvl though.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Nasume - Lost City
    Nasume - Lost City Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    First off: FAC/FSC do not exist. There are only clerics. You have attack skills, you have support skills; they are all cleric skills, so they are part of being a cleric. The sooner you ditch the FAC/FSC mindset, the better.

    As for HP, most end-game clerics are vit build hybrids; so at 90+ you want to be looking at having about 5k HP unbuffed with a good amount of physical defense. If you can reach that 5k, shard everything else with garnet.

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  • Ahira - Lost City
    Ahira - Lost City Posts: 791 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    No no no no... FAC should have full DoT sharding! b:thanks
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  • _Myrddin_ - Harshlands
    _Myrddin_ - Harshlands Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Citrine FTW
  • Nasume - Lost City
    Nasume - Lost City Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ahira - Lost City wrote: »
    No no no no... FAC should have full DoT sharding! b:thanks

    ^ wins

    FSC is the best.. dont need anything but a WEP a WEP ALONE.
  • Sylredrae - Sanctuary
    Sylredrae - Sanctuary Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Nasume - Lost City wrote: »
    ^ wins

    FSC is the best.. dont need anything but a WEP a WEP ALONE.

    I don't have much to say on whether FSC are 'the best,' but I will disagree on the second part of your statement. You try surviving Drummer and Soul Banisher in TT1-2 and TT1-3 with low hp. Not as easy as it looks and you have to pray that the boss doesn't one shot you. That's why clerics need at least decent armour and a fair amount of hp. I just cap my vit at 40 and shard with whatever I can get my hands on... mostly garnets and citrines. Although I will use a few turquoise shards. I like having as much mana as I can get my hands on without penalizing my survivability too much. XD
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  • _Myrddin_ - Harshlands
    _Myrddin_ - Harshlands Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    old lines say that the cleric who heals better is the one who heals longer
    its just my gamestyle but:
    1-i dont care about mp i use pots
    2-i dont care about mag damage i'm AA
    3-if i'm going to suffer phy damage i usually use plume shield or such

    so not caring about phy def i shard full hp and goes vit build.
  • _Rosaly_ - Lost City
    _Rosaly_ - Lost City Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I started a poll on this a while ago. Still haven't decided for myself yet, but I will add shards as the need for either pdef or hp grows with experiencing damage.

    Here's the poll I posted: link
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I sharded citrines until my 90 set. Then I sharded garnets with citrines in my cape and hat. If you look at the bonuses in TT90, you'll see that you already get quite a bit of HP and vit from them. I thought it somewhat redundant. Now I have 4.5k pdef with my buffs and more with a BM buff.

    However, it really does depend on what you enjoy. Take everyone's opinion as what it is: an opinion :D
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  • mulanrouge
    mulanrouge Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    full garnet and refine for hp

    clerics can get extremely expensive end-game because if you want to keep attack and not too much vit, you will need to have some relatively high refine

    overall though, more pdef will help you
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  • PinkSuccubuS - Lost City
    PinkSuccubuS - Lost City Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    only lv80 and i have 3,1k deff and with buff 4,7k self buffed ofc ___3,2k hp ____ only care 2 have eanough mag 2 wear mag weapon my lv and rest a bit vit and str.

    6k def with bm buff and with barb buff 4,2k
    not so shabbyb:dirty

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