TW schedules?

Chanima - Heavens Tear

If Radiance gets wiped off the map and Belial lose their land. Caesar dont have any land atm.

If there is any good leader types in those guild they could make a new faction... If they start working on recruiting and getting people in the faction and work hard to keep it organized it is possible. It wont be like a merge cause that usually fail. But Tao was made out of people that left Radiance and a week later a bunch from Evolution and old Legion came over and then Triad people and then Caesar people...

IF an organized new guild with as many 95+ as possible were to made mainly out of these 3 factions.. Like get 100 members that are above 95 they will be strong... Im pretty sure when people see a new faction that some Tao and Enrage member would bail ship to get a new experience to see a new faction rise on the map...

The hard part is getting good leadership and to keep people from making groups out of those who came from that faction and that faction and those from that faction etc. That will create internal issues, drama and failure. But Tao and Enrage can only have room for 200... I bet there are a lot of good players above 95+ to fill up at least two new TW factions...

The main reason I joined Tao was to try and help to give Enrage a fight so they would not take over the map. They were overpowered and never lost to anyone at that time. I could have joined them, but what fun is there to win everytime and in the end the opponent wont even show... Free money but its not fun.

But my bet is that Belial, Radiance and Caesar will keep on going as "semi-good" TW faction after Tao and Enrage are the only one left on the map, instead of trying to actually make a huge new powerful faction. There is always worth to give it a shot - even if it fails. I miss having 4 good factions on the map.

Also if a new faction like this is to be created it will probably fail every week for months in the beginning, the persistant mofos will stay and support the faction while the people that cant stand defeat will leave -> when most of the people that leave are out it creates a core of people that will be the soul of the faction. After that its only hard work and a lot of TW experience with your new factionmates that is needed to succeed.


Now...where did I put those donuts again?!

Shifong - Heavens Tear

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if you want to gather up the facts... do it right. yes (map reset) its been done... BUT:

1. map was reset after months of domination of ALL land by a single guild... HT is no where close to 100% ownership.
2. PW MY licenses the game from PW china... while PWI is a sub of PW China. PW MY allow the sale/purchase of in game items with cash outside of the standard gold purchasing system... PWI doesn't. different standards/rules/companies.
3. PWI didn't reset LC when one guild dominated the whole map... why would they reset HT when two guilds own roughly 50%.

what i am getting from your post is that there is 2 strong guilds... 1 medicore guild... and 2 **** guilds out of the "5 currently strongest factions". but is there anything stopping the 1 medicore guild and 2 **** guild from organizing or even merging to form the 3rd strong guild? well... not that i know of. but yet... they don't do anything... they just fight among themselves. the leadership is clearly not there for the formation of a 3rd tw ready guild to challenge the 2 exsisting guilds.

and as i stated before... convince your own guild to disband and you'll have reset 50% of the map. and that 50% is enough sunlight to shine on all the unorganized guilds.

It's just fun to talk about this impossible idea. But apparently you don't really get the idea of why a reset would benefit the whole server. I'm not talking about beating tao or enrage or about other guilds, and merging some weak guilds with radiance actually defeats the purpose of why i even said anything about a tw reset. It would even narrow down the available spots for people to enjoy the endgame feature called TW. While i think it would be more fun if more people are involved. More guilds is more tw spots is more exciting and gives more drama.

It's great you have a lot of land you conquered with all your guildies. But at some point wouldn't it be sad if there is no enemy left worth fighting with? (not like this will happen soon) Right now the only real battles you have is with tao, and maybe with radiance. All other guilds are beaten down within 15 minutes. That server with the one guild dominating the entire server... it must really suck to even be on that server if you like TW. Only benefit is for the owning guild who gets a lot of money out of it and become richer and thus stronger without doing anything. Very balanced.

As for smaller guilds fighting eachother. Wish that was even possible because it would mean that small guilds could learn more and play more in a tw instead of being slaughtered every time without effort. But since none of them can even get a chance on getting land they are stuck on bidding on enrage/tao/radiance.
Whenever we had a small guild attacking us i had to really try and find someone to kill before someone else did. It's not something i would call a TW.

Could this game be Knight Online (with Castle Siege Wars) I might be wrong on this tho

Don't think it's allowed to type down the name of the game. But no it's not. The name of the game begins with R and ends with K and the war feature is called war of emperium. b:shutup

IF an organized new guild with as many 95+ as possible were to made mainly out of these 3 factions.. Like get 100 members that are above 95 they will be strong...

Radiance can theoretically field 13 squads with only 100+ players right now if they would sign up for tw. Sure we can't beat enrage or tao right now, but we're getting closer b:cute We probably are worse of by merging with another guild.
If we get wiped of the map we won't have to deal with the small factions (can be a nuisance to meetup 1 hour for 5 minutes trying to kill something) and we can focus solely on either tao or enrage depending on where we feel like bidding which means costs go down with only 1 fight (current pay for the last months were not exactly close to paying the costs for tw) and we can go all out on it. So that should be fun.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wow you like to fight doncha? I'm in Tao, I watch us claw, scream and fight for our gear. It's hard and we do it. But when the 2 major factions hold many of the huge "right click an anni pack" people, of course they stand little chance. I have had people come into Tao where their faction mates weren't high enough to run TTs for even 90 gear.

I think a clean wipe would bring back players who quit because they are sick of never doing TW or only TWing for 10 minutes at a time because some power house faction ran them over.

I remember when Enrage started they earned respect by not sending 80 level 90+ to a TW with a faction who's highest level was a 90. Those things can't be done with the current map for the most part. The 3 land holding factions end up fighting over these small wars, and then smaller factions bid and no show.

... are you even in a TW faction?

so what... you want a reset so a bunch of little guys can go around and slap each other around... while 1 of them get runned over each week by the current land owner getting their land back? and i don't recall enrage ever not sending everyone they have to tw (if there is space). the reason they didn't get 80 in a tw is cause they simply didn't have 80 to send. or are you expecting enrage to send 10 people and have 70 sitting next to the tp lady scratching their heads?

talking and suggesting doesn't change anything. if you want to see something change... go out and get your hands dirty... instead of suggesting to take something away from others who gotten their hands dirty. go organize your guild (or even joing one thats trying to do something about it)... recruit the HUNDREDS of 1xx thats not in enrage/tao. field a full 80 of 1xx and run enrage/tao over.


and if you must know i been in a tw fraction ever since i joined rad before my fb19. left rad when it dominated the map for enrage (i think i joined during their tw for their first land). left enrage when it dominated the map for a smaller fraction with 0 land. went back to enrage when it lost its dominance of the map. so in essence i left 2 fraction when they are at their absolute unchallenged prime for smaller fractions in hopes of changing things. now... can you said you have done the same?

Chanima - Heavens Tear

Radiance is an old faction.. Its been on the map since like forever.. Its harder to recruit to an old faction then to a brand new one when they see some hardcore people go to that new faction.. People want a change, people want to try new things.. New faction, new leadership, new found fun.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Chanima - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Radiance is an old faction.. Its been on the map since like forever.. Its harder to recruit to an old faction then to a brand new one when they see some hardcore people go to that new faction.. People want a change, people want to try new things.. New faction, new leadership, new found fun.

i don't think its cause rad's a old guild or anything. its cause all the people thats willing to take a risk and make a new guild already did so or just don't see the need. and people like this:

Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Radiance can theoretically field 13 squads with only 100+ players right now if they would sign up for tw. Sure we can't beat enrage or tao right now, but we're getting closer b:cute We probably are worse of by merging with another guild.

who are afraid of change thats holding a guild back. you don't want a merage to acquire the influx of people that can push your guild over the edge... so you are going to stay where you are until you embrace change.


rad lost its dominance cause 30+ people left for enrage. enrage lost its dominance cause 30 or so people left. tao lost its dominance cause 20+ people left. so all these smaller guilds are basically waiting for the next big exdos to shift the power. instead of getting off their **** and organize.

sleepcat

I don't believe that a high percentile of the successful factions actually work that hard to recruit. Using Tao and Enrage as an example, just the fact that they own a number of territories act as a advertisement for their faction, and a portion of the people who decide to join Tao/Enrage for TW purposes join either because there's not enough publicity for the not so successful TW factions or they don't see the lower tier TW factions as TW factions at all.

I would also like to note that I've seen a fairly high turnover rate for level 90+ players in these lower tier TW factions, with them very often moving to Tao/Enrage, thus perpetuating or at least slowing down growth and potential for the lower tier TW factions. The reasons may be because they have no solid member base and thus little incentive for people to choose them over already successful TW factions, or maybe because the 90+ players want a faction more in line with their own level range and aren't patient enough to wait for the lower levels within their faction to catch up.

Looking at Tao/Enrage, it is also important to note that within a week of formation of those two factions, core members from other various factions decided to join them. So it wasn't that they were working hard on recruiting; they just happened to have formed at the same time a few other factions were falling apart, also noting that members who leave failing factions tend to move in herds. Thus Tao and Enrage were able to start with a relatively strong member base off the bat.

Just some key points to consider. :O

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and i don't recall enrage ever not sending everyone they have to tw (if there is space). the reason they didn't get 80 in a tw is cause they simply didn't have 80 to send. or are you expecting enrage to send 10 people and have 70 sitting next to the tp lady scratching their heads?

No show no show no show no show. I've seen a lot of those.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

go organize your guild (or even joing one thats trying to do something about it)... recruit the HUNDREDS of 1xx thats not in enrage/tao. field a full 80 of 1xx and run enrage/tao over.

As easy as that sounds, a majority of the 1xx player are either not willing to leave the faction they're already in because of friends, aren't not interested in TW, or are simply too fail to be worth recruiting.

Shifong - Heavens Tear

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and people like this: who are afraid of change thats holding a guild back. you don't want a merage to acquire the influx of people that can push your guild over the edge... so you are going to stay where you are until you embrace change.

Ever thought of the possibility that a guild can become like a family? merging means you cut that family in half and replace it with people you might not even like only because they might increase tw power. For radiance it would mean it's going to be weakened after a merge because when you split that family, the guild is no more and you might as well start a completely new guild. Besides, merging isn't the only way to get a guild over the edge.

A new faction would be interesting if it can get people from every excisting guild including tao and enrage. But if all the rich/well geared members stay where they are, i don't expect much difference.

Demaulicus - Heavens Tear

Alright.. A map reset isn't needed at the moment cause if you look at the TW map there are lands still waiting to come out. This means that once they do come out the larger factions will have a harder time defending. On top of this any guild can take land from Tao or Enrage. Remember when Radiance got attacked by 20 factions way back when? Do that enough weeks in a row and the land owning factions will suffer. This will cause them to get tired, increase costs too much, and lower that guild's morale.

Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear

Actually way back when Enrage was a new faction, just after they changed over from RoC, they used to send an equal force to all TWs large and small. This was way back though. I respected them for that, nothing else lol

sleepcat

Demaulicus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Alright.. A map reset isn't needed at the moment cause if you look at the TW map there are lands still waiting to come out. This means that once they do come out the larger factions will have a harder time defending. On top of this any guild can take land from Tao or Enrage. Remember when Radiance got attacked by 20 factions way back when? Do that enough weeks in a row and the land owning factions will suffer. This will cause them to get tired, increase costs too much, and lower that guild's morale.

Wasn't there a period of time when more than 3 factions could attack the same faction on the same time slot?

Demaulicus - Heavens Tear

sleepcat wrote: »

Wasn't there a period of time when more than 3 factions could attack the same faction on the same time slot?

That is still possible except there simply aren't enough guilds bidding right now. Get enough guilds to bid so that all lands on the TW map are being attacked and see time time layouts. There was at one time 9:XX and a lot of 14:XX TWs along with 20:00, 20:03, 20:06, 20:09, 20:12, 20:15, and 20:18 fights. This requires a lot more guilds bidding than the amount bidding currently. Maybe 5~6 times the current number of guilds bidding.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

If something happen like with the whole Invidia-Enrage deal back then, but spread it to Tao, Rad, Caesar, Belial, and TE, I see it happening.

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear

Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If we get wiped of the map we won't have to deal with the small factions (can be a nuisance to meetup 1 hour for 5 minutes trying to kill something)

I really really really don't get why guilds like tao and rad do this. If you think it's a nuisance, then you only have yourselves and your TW policies to blame for it. You know the TW will last 5 min. You know that even if you send 40 ppl into the tw, it will last 5 min. You know that there is no need to discuss strategies, or even to form parties. "Push B"- meeting over. You know that you can have 4 clerics pulling catas...

... and it will still last 5 min. So why meet up so early? To me, it's just a waste of time and makes no sense.

Back on topic, I don't think a new big guild will appear any time soon unless tao or enrage run into major problems. People aren't willing to leave successful, established guilds such as tao and enrage to go to a new guild which may or may not be successful. If you look at history, caesar formed when a large group of people were unhappy at rad. Enrage formed mostly from RoC. Tao also started when rad members weren't happy with their old guild.
My point is that it's very hard to startup a new guild without a core group of people. I won't name specific guild names, but some have tried, and failed. A merge between existing guilds will be the best way to create a new super guild, but this is unlikely to happen as people don't want change unless they feel that it is necessary.

Stopping this here before it becomes a monof essay.

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear

awww but you have sucha nice essay's when you point out something :kiss

Me I blame TW system and GM's if they are ones who make calls who can bid. Fact that any guild can bid without some tougher rules how strong you have to be in the 1st place is bad for TW activity, and I dont think players like a server with 1 or 2 colours.
Factions also wont merge if every leader, no matter how inactive and small guild would be - can just say ''we will bid eventually get on map''.

I wont say the name of game I played before but there were 5 criteria: 1st-Age of guild, 2nd-Level of guild leader, 3-Number of members, 4-Average level, 5-Most important:Points gathered from Guild VS Guild in PvP events .. that you have in JD for example. b:bye

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually way back when Enrage was a new faction, just after they changed over from RoC, they used to send an equal force to all TWs large and small. This was way back though. I respected them for that, nothing else lol

back when enrage was small... i was there. its definatelly full 80 vs rad and whatever left go to the smaller wars.