To all those who think Sage Wiz is far more superior...

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  • Helbear - Heavens Tear
    Helbear - Heavens Tear Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    When i hit 89 im going sage, always have wanted too, never thought about going demon at all. Sage FTW. The chi skill will allow me to chain more skills together to drop people and mobs quicker
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Helbear - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    When i hit 89 im going sage, always have wanted too, never thought about going demon at all. Sage FTW. The chi skill will allow me to chain more skills together to drop people and mobs quicker

    And ONLY sage has option to launch all 3 ultimates in row.b:pleased
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  • Ishmah - Sanctuary
    Ishmah - Sanctuary Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And ONLY sage has option to launch all 3 ultimates in row.b:pleased

    Mumintroll, don't you mean 'only sage has the chance to launch all 3 ultimates in a row?'
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ishmah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Mumintroll, don't you mean 'only sage has the chance to launch all 3 ultimates in a row?'
    Yes you right. Again my english failure.b:chuckle In my language it has same meaning as chance.
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  • Helbear - Heavens Tear
    Helbear - Heavens Tear Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The only thing i need to sort out now is a genie. Im useless with them and wouldnt know whats best for wiz, what type of genie and what build but this is not the thread to ask for advice about it in
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And ONLY sage has option to launch all 3 ultimates in row.b:pleased

    ulti > ulti > cloud eruption and ulti

    genis exist
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ulti > ulti > cloud eruption and ulti

    genis exist

    Yes but it's not in row. You have to use genie, or apothecary or another spell for chi. Only sage has chance to use all 3 ultimates. If I use genie chi at the end maybe I could add sutra+buch of spells.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes but it's not in row. You have to use genie, or apothecary or another spell for chi. Only sage has chance to use all 3 ultimates. If I use genie chi at the end maybe I could add sutra+buch of spells.

    cloud eruption is instant

    the method is slightly different but the end result is the same

    and since CE is often 2.5 sparks on a high str geni add a 1.5 spark pot and demon sutras that to

    the difference is that you can use apoths/geni for other things IF your lucky

    for exe demon cant frenzy+EP that like sage could

    also you have 3 sparks 99 chi

    assuming BT and MS proc and save spark MS>BT...1 spark 99 chi left by your logic even sages cant do it
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    MS-BT (proc)- ES - BIDS
    Koiz - omfg my life is now complete
    Shevanel - haha oh?
    ~~~
    Koiz - i took this massive dump
    Koiz - while listening to im on a boat hahahah
    Shevanel - hahahahaha
    Shevanel - haha
    Shevanel - Oh wow

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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

    assuming BT and MS proc and save spark MS>BT...1 spark 99 chi left by your logic even sages cant do it

    WRONG.
    You have 3.99 at start. You use BT It wil cost 1spark you still left 2.99 then you use MS It cost 1 spark you still have you should 1.99,BUT launching MS it will add you necessary chi so You don't have 1.99 but more than 2+, so you can launch BIDS.b:pleased
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    WRONG.
    You have 3.99 at start. You use BT It wil cost 1spark you still left 2.99 then you use MS It cost 1 spark you still have you should 1.99,BUT launching MS it will add you necessary chi so You don't have 1.99 but more than 2+, so you can launch BIDS.b:pleased

    launching ms give chi? then i am the only who dont get chi with spark user skills
  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    WRONG.
    You have 3.99 at start. You use BT It wil cost 1spark you still left 2.99 then you use MS It cost 1 spark you still have you should 1.99,BUT launching MS it will add you necessary chi so You don't have 1.99 but more than 2+, so you can launch BIDS.b:pleased
    Skills that are spark dependent do not give you chi when you use them.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ops. I never realise this. b:chuckle
    Ok guys I have to apologize. So Even sage has to do some chi skill. Easily with frostblade or elemental shell. But true is that has to do some chi spell.b:cry
    So Again. My huge apologies.
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  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Omg, This **** again?

    SAGE SUCKZ, DEMON FOR TEH WINZZZZZZZZ

    kay, gtfo nao.
  • ZoanoAce - Lost City
    ZoanoAce - Lost City Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »
    Omg, This **** again?

    SAGE SUCKZ, DEMON FOR TEH WINZZZZZZZZ

    kay, gtfo nao.
    This is by far the best response in this thread so far, so intelligentb:chuckleb:victory

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  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    ZoanoAce - Lost City wrote: »
    This is by far the best response in this thread so far, so intelligentb:chuckleb:victory

    Inb4flames

    Inoright?

    Brown for president, imo.
  • Paimage - Harshlands
    Paimage - Harshlands Posts: 1,017 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Sage wizards/demon wizards are good; But since sage wiz get the sage bids, it makes em far more powerful then demon wiz in a TW or group pvp cuz they get the abbility to one shot other targets far easier then a demon and since sage wiz can get chi so fast it makes em use ulti skills with more frequency. Although, what makes a wizard strong is not jus the demon/sage skills but also the gear and its clear that sage wizard outshines a demon wiz in what matters(once again, group pvp and tw xD).
  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    squab wrote: »
    10k and 12k?
    >:\
    for demon MG you do nub damage

    1) I'm Sage
    2) That was months ago
    3) It's stone rain
    4) Taykiem = Major CS'd gears

    ... go away now random.
  • Sheswes - Heavens Tear
    Sheswes - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,216 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You have 3.99 at start. You use BT It wil cost 1spark you still left 2.99 then you use MS It cost 1 spark you still should have 1.99,

    between BT and MS or MS and BID just use an elemental shell (super fast 15chi)
    problemo solved
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  • Chili - Dreamweaver
    Chili - Dreamweaver Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    WRONG.
    You have 3.99 at start. You use BT It wil cost 1spark you still left 2.99 then you use MS It cost 1 spark you still have you should 1.99,BUT launching MS it will add you necessary chi so You don't have 1.99 but more than 2+, so you can launch BIDS.b:pleased

    Just that you know, when you have 399 chi and use a ulti you will land on 199 chi, no matter if the effect proceeds or not.

    on topic: i'm demon and i love to use MS in TW :)
    b:quiet
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    between BT and MS or MS and BID just use an elemental shell (super fast 15chi)
    problemo solved

    ^ thats not 3 conseccutive ultis as mumin claims by her definition
    Chili - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Just that you know, when you have 399 chi and use a ulti you will land on 199 chi, no matter if the effect proceeds or not.

    on topic: i'm demon and i love to use MS in TW :)

    ^was already stated a few pages back
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    well, I'm playing two engame wizards (true, one on a private server - Demon - as I wanted to see how gameplay changes 1st had with Demon culti) and although the gear cannot be compared, I see the advantages of Demon over Sage in some sittuations. To say one is better than the other it's wrong, because you cannot think is such absolute terms about these two cultis for wizard.
    Yes, Demon has ways to generate chi, but will not come even close to the chi machine that a Sage is. Sage is more PvE and TW/group PK oriented. Demon is more for solo PK because as unreliable as they are, the stuns added to skills proc enough to give you some kind of control over opponent. With my demon wiz I can keep someone stunned for about 10 seconds (SR proc + sutra + GS + MS +SS + DP + whatever) so that's basically enough wipe any class. Plus, the 150 pdef really comes handy in 1v1.
    Sage on the other hand can't do the above, but can spark a lot often (yes, I can say that playing both paths) , roughly about 5/3 ratio, this giving more DpH and also allowing the Sage to tank a lot easier some bosses (25% dmg reduction helps, look at Chezedude, archer tanking Harpy Wraith sage permasparked). Besides, Sage has BIDS, an absolutely awesome skill that can give an endgame Sage wizard a nearly 50% crit for 10 seconds. That doesn't sound much, but BIDS proc+sutra+(sutra combo) will drop a fully buffed endgame class in under 6 seconds, that is if the BIDS crit didn't killed him already.
    The neverending saga of Sage vs Demon will of course continue, but just looking at how many flamewars this subject started, one can pretty much realize the is no better cultivation when playing a wiz, there is just cultivation that fit or doesn't fit your gamplay. Read a lot, talk to endgame wizards, make your choice wisely and enjoy your wizard because it's a really really nice class to play with.
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  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    well, I'm playing two engame wizards (true, one on a private server - Demon - as I wanted to see how gameplay changes 1st had with Demon culti) and although the gear cannot be compared, I see the advantages of Demon over Sage in some sittuations. To say one is better than the other it's wrong, because you cannot think is such absolute terms about these two cultis for wizard.
    Yes, Demon has ways to generate chi, but will not come even close to the chi machine that a Sage is. Sage is more PvE and TW/group PK oriented. Demon is more for solo PK because as unreliable as they are, the stuns added to skills proc enough to give you some kind of control over opponent. With my demon wiz I can keep someone stunned for about 10 seconds (SR proc + sutra + GS + MS +SS + DP + whatever) so that's basically enough wipe any class. Plus, the 150 pdef really comes handy in 1v1.
    Sage on the other hand can't do the above, but can spark a lot often (yes, I can say that playing both paths) , roughly about 5/3 ratio, this giving more DpH and also allowing the Sage to tank a lot easier some bosses (25% dmg reduction helps, look at Chezedude, archer tanking Harpy Wraith sage permasparked). Besides, Sage has BIDS, an absolutely awesome skill that can give an endgame Sage wizard a nearly 50% crit for 10 seconds. That doesn't sound much, but BIDS proc+sutra+(sutra combo) will drop a fully buffed endgame class in under 6 seconds, that is if the BIDS crit didn't killed him already.
    The neverending saga of Sage vs Demon will of course continue, but just looking at how many flamewars this subject started, one can pretty much realize the is no better cultivation when playing a wiz, there is just cultivation that fit or doesn't fit your gamplay. Read a lot, talk to endgame wizards, make your choice wisely and enjoy your wizard because it's a really really nice class to play with.

    Yeah I agree with all of oyur post except for one point..

    Reading about it is not that helpful !

    What you just posted in your post^ is much better....cause you described how the playsyle is for each one....and what you think about them after your experience b:laugh
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    Of course, demons also get "more chi", from their pyrogram and from some of their chi-using skills (triple spark and wellspring quaff and from their BIDS), because faster channeling means you build chi faster.
    lolno. "Building chi" with wellspring/hell spark is oxymoron. Besides, it doesn't even increase the chi gain that much. Especially in pvp where hell spark is going to kill something if you're not going to get stunned out of it, and that requires 3 sparks to begin with. And building chi is done for ulti's/sutra/triple spark, so wellspring is hardly used. I mean really, how often are you going to want to use wellspring if you can save one more spark and use sutra instead?
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • doppa23
    doppa23 Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    to above poster - thanks, but stop being so condescending? :) i'm glad i chose demon wiz, as you're apparently glad you chose sage, and the fact that so ****ing many sage wizards on this forum rush to chew out any talk about the joys of demonhood makes me think sages are really trying to cover up some deficiency there

    so sages, if i'm wrong about yas well then just leave it be and stop telling us what we already know - you have chi!

    p.s. i'm really not trying to be condescending here, i've been reading and asking people about this a lot and finally just went demon, and with the benefit from 3spark alone i'm quite certain i made the right choice for my playstyle. i always build chi in sz if i need it, nvr really considered building chi on the battlefield a viable option. it might be just me also but i think the animation for hell spark & demon fairy look way cooler... especially with black fash, which adds to my thought that sages may be just a little bit jealous :p they roll sage they roleplay demon, while we do the opposite seemingly... coincidence?

    p.p.s. anyone witnessed/been in a fight between demon & sage wiz? just curious
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I dueled a few demon wizes, but since it was a duel we both had full chi at the start. occult ice, sutra, DP, BT, DP victory... paths didn't really factor in.

    Building chi becomes so much more efficient as a sage it's awesome. Now that I think about it I did one shot Stealthninja when he asked me to hit him. He was vit build so outside that one shot I got my **** handed to me by him.

    Too many factors come into play when you ask for a demon vs sage fight, players level of skill, player psychology, duel or open pk, apoth pots held and used, genie skills used, 79 skills used, demon and sage skills used, chi levels at start, gear choice, build, quality.

    But if I wanted to spout out a 'fanboy' style arguement.

    Sage will build up to ulti's easier, elemental barriers will knock some dps off, the demon controls are mostly freeze based, the emberstorm stun is risky, the stone rain stun is unreliable... I lean towards sage a lot more.

    Demon looks nice on paper but in game sage typical outdoes it. Fighting the classes demons are meant to fight however (BM's, Barbs) they'll easily outdo sage, 33-50% freeze effects, physical based barrier, a -25% channeling effect of a potential 45 seconds. Only problem of course is, barriers and -chan both use up chi supplies.
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  • Llama - Lost City
    Llama - Lost City Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    For your sage BIDS comment, domain doesn't solve everything.
    #1 no channeling pots/sutra then BIDS will 99.999% of the time get off before somebody can react, and even if they do hit domain server lag means they RARELY actually resist
    #2 domain = 3 min cooldown and 135 energy. Making them waste that (maybe channel dragon and cancel it when you see domain go up..) or even drop the dragon.. let them resist it and it shouldn't be a problem getting those 2 sparks again to drop it again within the next 3 minutes. Besides that, it is sometimes worth it to force them to use domain right off the bat, leaving you with a good long time with the opponent having little energy on their genie.
    #3 It's not just a 1v1 skill, using it in mass PvP means it is likely they will see it coming, or even be able to do anything. Unless everybody saves their genie solely for domain, good chance they won't have the energy for it..

    sage BIDS is still as "OP" as ever.. add in the chi building ability from chi skill/pyro/half cost distance shrink etc.. I would never think of going demon, just me though

    Or you could be like Viet and get that water immune skill on your genie cuz you're sicking of getting 1 shot by my bids. :X
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Llama, you're alive! d^_^b
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Llama, you're alive! d^_^b

    ^this^

    i luvs llama's epeen its so epeeny!
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