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Drkilyou - Heavens Tear

What Is The Third Class Needed In Parties After Barb And Cleric?

Favu - Heavens Tear

In before a lot of QQing about this. I can feel it in my bones.


I'd say a veno, for a good clean non-genie lure.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Veno would be the most convenient class to have, but not by much really and certainly not necessary.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

id say an archer to DD/sharp boss.

Maragon - Dreamweaver

usually veno but very close behind for me is a bm. they are always good for group aggro control

Waterfal - Sanctuary

depends on what instance I gues o.o
and what is the purpose of the squad o.o
and is it pve or pvp...

Depends on a looooooooooot of things I gues XD

For an instance like TT I gues a veno.

But if you wanna massmurder groups or high lvl squad in lower lvl dungeon a bm would be great to gather mobs and AOE them.

on world bosses or so an archer or wizzie would be wonderfull to burn trough the mass of hp...

I gues it depends on the situation O.o

GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear

Drkilyou - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What Is The Third Class Needed In Parties After Barb And Cleric?

Only thing a squad needs 100% is a Tank.

That Tank can be anything from a Veno, Bm to a Wiz depending on the Instance.
If anyone other than a Veno is tanking then yes a Cleric is prefered, but sometimes even they are not needed if you got a Wiz or two to heal you.

So to answer the Question:

It depends on the instance. Since Barbs and Clerics are not always needed

I_sage_i - Harshlands

im just going to say a DD

Iluc - Sanctuary

GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Only thing a squad needs 100% is a Tank.

That Tank can be anything from a Veno, Bm to a Wiz depending on the Instance.
If anyone other than a Veno is tanking then yes a Cleric is prefered, but sometimes even they are not needed if you got a Wiz or two to heal you.

So to answer the Question:

It depends on the instance. Since Barbs and Clerics are not always needed

i would stick with this, depends on where you are, what you need, fast kills, DDs, dungeons, DDs, as matter of fact, all classes are DDs, if you got a wiz tanking even the barb is DD, and we got the TB not to forget, at this point many of them know what they doing at last, so they are useful for fast kills and DDing

Atropah - Sanctuary

I hate doing runs with venos, really.
I play barb and cleric and in both cases venos are like their own party. I can't heal pet and my barb nuetralizes the need for one. They're like a weak caster that can lure, and can easily be replaced by a zeal genie and get a useful party member instead. That being said... I love to play my veno b:victory

After cleric, #1, and barb, #2, I'd say bm for DD. Resiliant enough to take a little damage while dealing out a ton. Not as much as a wizard, psychic, or archer, but survivability and buffs seem to make up for it imho.

Atropah

_vincent - Dreamweaver

For BHs - Generally a Veno for pulling (<- Tried pulling Pole with Zeal. Got one shot QQ).

For TT - Venos(Pulling\DDing)\Archers(sharptooth)\BMs (I say BMs because fist BMs are great DDs despite not having sharp tooth)

For something else that doens't require Pulling - BMs because they can protect the cleric and DD with fists\other.

Samsoul - Lost City

I'd say a veno or something that aoes a lot, for cleric butt saving? :X

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

The 3rd would be veno or BM in my opinion.
Veno cause of luring/bramble/lendinghand/offtank
and BM because of Buff/aoe/offtank.
but also second instead of barb can be a good bm.

Anyone who denys veno of a party because "they dont like them" needs to rethink themselves. Bramble on your tank is very helpful (alot of the times it saves a cleric when healing the tank with multiple argos), there are places ingame where a zeal genie gets you too close to mobs for the pull, Lending hand for when your tank absolutely must have sparks, oh yea and a good tank pet for saving a clerics behind when no one else is paying attention.

archers, wizards, psychics, sins are just fillers for a normal BH squad. However Archers and Wizards will take more priority in instances that need their aoes, but always behind a tank and cleric.

axt57

Venos can lure, amp, give sparks (number of squads I have saved by giving cleric a last second spark for BB - lost count), give bramble, purge and if well equiped can do some serious damage.

If the veno is a demon she can lay down one of the most effective AoEs in the game. If she is sage she can debuff a boss' hp by 20% - more then most archers can.

Declining a decent veno is like shooting yourself in the foot.

XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver

_vincent - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For BHs - Generally a Veno for pulling (<- Tried pulling Pole with Zeal. Got one shot QQ).

HA can pull with zeal. May take a little practice, but in several runs, I had a HA to pull it, including myself. I don't recommend the tank to do it since IH stack really helps, but if you have a secondary tank, have him/her pull.

Well, in regards to the OP... any DD. My preferences:

A BM can be a nice replacement for a barb, and for AOE mob control / offtank depending on the build, and the buff. And a good veno is always welcome - one that debuffs and uses scarabs wisely, passes spark to whoever needs them, so on.

I could go on... every class is good. Up to the player to play it in an effective way.