How to pick up entire BH Chain at once, every day
SolomonSmash - Heavens Tear
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What if you could just pick up all 3 BH quests, all in one lump sum, every single day, and never worry about wasting time/teleport fees from having to leave instances to get the next step in the chain? For you 90-99s, what if you never had to worry about which doors were open in Bh79? For the 60-69s, never worry about having to kill Wyvern first?
It would be nice, wouldn't it? And it would not only save yourself time/effort/money, but would make things easier for the whole concept of doing BHs in general, if everyone were able to do that.
Peep this: You can do this, and so can anyone who wants to.
Here is my original post explaining the process:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=633472
I suggest you get on the bandwagon, because as more people start using this method, they won't want you in their squad if you don't.
It would be nice, wouldn't it? And it would not only save yourself time/effort/money, but would make things easier for the whole concept of doing BHs in general, if everyone were able to do that.
Peep this: You can do this, and so can anyone who wants to.
Here is my original post explaining the process:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=633472
I suggest you get on the bandwagon, because as more people start using this method, they won't want you in their squad if you don't.
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One of my alts have been using this system before you've mentioned it. Works pretty well for BH29/39. Haven't tested BH51 yet.
As for me, it doesn't matter, BH100s are two different instances, and can be randomly stacked by putting off the second BH until you get a matched first BH for it.I call it how I see it.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Thanks Santacruz!
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Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »One of my alts have been using this system before you've mentioned it. Works pretty well for BH29/39. Haven't tested BH51 yet.
As for me, it doesn't matter, BH100s are two different instances, and can be randomly stacked by putting off the second BH until you get a matched first BH for it.
This works for all BH brackets, regardless of level (unless you do bh29, in which it doesn't work. This, combined with your statement that it "works well for bh29/39", amuses me). It's a given that it doesn't do much for 100+, but this is to help the players below 100, mainly. It really helps out the 90s, who have to worry about which doors are randomly opened in Bh79. The only problem is apparently most people can't even understand the concept of how to make it work. It makes it very much more convenient for each individual person who uses the system, but it's still annoying if you have someone in your squad who doesn't do this.
Just to clarify: yes, you will lose a total of 2 BH3's and 1 BH2, just during the process of setting it up. After that initial loss, you will be able to start every single day with that day's complete BH chain, and you will never lose anything again. The loss of the first couple of insignificant BHs is way more than made up for by the convenience and usefulness of the system. Also, some people apparently aren't able to understand that, even though you are waiting until the next day to turn your completed BHs in, you are still receiving the full amount of EXP rewards every single day, because you start the day off by turning in the previous day's quests.
The funny thing is: I see people complaining about the way the BHs are such a hassle, blahblah, etc. However, here is a very efficient way to fix the problems being complained about, but it doesn't seem to be catching on as much as it should.0 -
I do this, and I love it. It is so much easier b:pleased0
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This is not picking up the entire quest chain at once. Your post has lied to me.
This is exactly what stacking is and what you do if you don't finish the quests. It should be obvious not even esoteric as anyone who has done a BH for more then a week would know this. (rather defies the word esoteric but it still applies)
b:lipcurl I feel lied to very much so......[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
There's a bandwagon? Doesn't feel like it, feels like only a minority of the population does this. About every BH party I encounter, no one but me has the whole chain, except maybe a couple 100+s, but that really only helps with the rebirth chain by a little bit.0
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Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is not picking up the entire quest chain at once. Your post has lied to me.
This is exactly what stacking is and what you do if you don't finish the quests. It should be obvious not even esoteric as anyone who has done a BH for more then a week would know this. (rather defies the word esoteric but it still applies)
b:lipcurl I feel lied to very much so......
You fail. Miserably. Learn to read. Or think. Or uninstall. Whichever.0 -
Xeiren - Heavens Tear wrote: »There's a bandwagon? Doesn't feel like it, feels like only a minority of the population does this. About every BH party I encounter, no one but me has the whole chain, except maybe a couple 100+s, but that really only helps with the rebirth chain by a little bit.
True, it hasn't caught on yet. But anyone with half a brain will be doing this soon enough. Also: If BH1 and BH2 are both in RB Delta, then this actually helps out a lot.0 -
I use to let some stack for a few days and then do them all at once but now this works much better. I wish I thought of it long ago.0
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The problem is that many people aren't smart enough to understand the concept, as Pressa has so adequately demonstrated for us. I hated the chain system at first, but doing it like this is awesome b:pleased0
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Understand? I understand it perfectly and have been using this since the BH started. I did read you fail to read my post. I said its not picking up the entire chain at the same time you have not come upon the revelation you said in your topic title.
NicoIetta before speaking know what your talking about please. I said it should be understood when you start doing BH and shouldn't be esoteric.
Its nice that you decided to show people this but please title things properly all your saying is create an infinite loop of undone BH so you can kill the bosses all at once. Which should be obvious you can do when you start picking it up but alas I suppose I like to overestimate the people of PWI.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Look Pressa, I'm sorry you are having trouble understanding this, really I am. The fact of the matter remains: After the initial setup, you will receive the entire BH chain system at the beginning of every single day. This is a fact, the veracity of which is unaffected by your comprehension (or more correctly: lack thereof). Now, will you please kindly move out of the way so intelligent people might benefit from this thread? Thank you in advance. b:bye0
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I've been doing this for a few weeks now, and I'm so glad I took the time to set it up. I save so much in teleport and stoning fees...which seems to not be a problem to those of you who FLY back....which, by the way, your squad just LOVES that, because we really exist for you and have nothing better to do (yeah, sarcasm doesn't come across well in print, but I'm hoping you saw it there).
Pressa, I'm really not even sure what you're trying to say, but from what I can tell you've got it all wrong. The BHs aren't undone - you just don't turn in right away when you do them - wait until the next day, and you turn in the previous day's BHs all at once, and then you pick up the entire chain for the current day three seconds later. The only way they sit undone is if you don't do them, and that has nothing to do with this system. And please, tear esoteric off the "Word of the Day" calendar and move on. Big words don't make you look smarter, and in many cases, make you completely incoherent.0 -
b:laughPressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »This system is fake. Also, I've been using it already.
You're so cute, hun. *pats you on the head*0 -
SolomonSmash - Heavens Tear wrote: »This works for all BH brackets, regardless of level (unless you do bh29, in which it doesn't work. This, combined with your statement that it "works well for bh29/39", amuses me).
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Actually it does work for BH29. I've been doing this for a couple of weeks now.
The sweet thing about 29 is there is only one boss. Talk about killing 3 birds with one stone. . .
My problem was that setting up the stack wasn't intuitive (for me). After reading and re-reading the advice, it still took a couple of tries to get it right0 -
=_= your a right set of geniuses here
I was using esoteric because it means it should be common knowledge but its something thats passed over by everyone and not outright told and when someone doesn't understand its thats one little detail that is missed thats esoteric.
I fully understand your system Solomon but it is in fact picking up a infinite loop BHs (Please actually read don't just skim)
I didn't say the system was fake its a viable system and it works just fine. Also I believe this should be obvious to people who do BH.
When I said undone I meant un turned in aka uncompleted.
Please stop flaming me there is no need I am saying something completely unrelated to your system working.
I again since you like reading(not) I am saying it does work I in fact have been using it since the start give or take a bit. I was also saying that the OP was misleading and its not all at once. But since the OP is actually two posts I was tackling them both at the same time. Sure technically it could be considered picking them up at the same time but to say thats its not stacking is a bit mmmm I don't have a word for it.
Tch not worth it auguring a point you won't understand.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Wow, that pressa person is really slow. I use the system, and every day when I log in I pick up my whole BH chain. It really saves me a lot of time and money.0
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Okay what Pressa is saying is true about it being an infinite loop rather than picking up the complete chain all at once each day. Here is why...
Day 1-3 you get all 3 steps to do. (not same day so you start)
Day 3 or 4 onward you grab step 1 and keep all active
Think of this as setting your media player to repeat and you will understand the infinite loop concept. It just continuously rotates the cycle doing it each day which you created. Also, You lose out on EXP rather than having someone save a wined instance for that BH thus having all doors open in fb59 or fb79 instance and it still being wined so only bosses spawn cause they should still respawn every 24 hours. It doesn't take long and doesn't cost anything to warp to Arch from DWP through the Cube of Fate then it's what 8k or 10k to warp back in. Sorry but 16k to 20k is easy to accumulate in PWI these days. Make an instance once a week and save it for that week.
YOU CANNOT PICK UP ALL BH QUESTS AT ONE TIME ON DAY ONE SO THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS MISLEADING!![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Demaulicus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Okay what Pressa is saying is true about it being an infinite loop rather than picking up the complete chain all at once each day. Here is why...
Day 1-3 you get all 3 steps to do. (not same day so you start)
Day 3 or 4 onward you grab step 1 and keep all active
Think of this as setting your media player to repeat and you will understand the infinite loop concept. It just continuously rotates the cycle doing it each day which you created. Also, You lose out on EXP rather than having someone save a wined instance for that BH thus having all doors open in fb59 or fb79 instance and it still being wined so only bosses spawn cause they should still respawn every 24 hours. It doesn't take long and doesn't cost anything to warp to Arch from DWP through the Cube of Fate then it's what 8k or 10k to warp back in. Sorry but 16k to 20k is easy to accumulate in PWI these days. Make an instance once a week and save it for that week.
YOU CANNOT PICK UP ALL BH QUESTS AT ONE TIME ON DAY ONE SO THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS MISLEADING!!
Wow, another fail. Ok, no reason to have to answer to these posts any more. If you are intelligent enough to benefit from this system, then you will. If not, you won't.0 -
Alright fine let me lay this out just a little bit better since Demaulicus laid it out so well but you still didn't get it.
Try this you miss a day :O Can you now pick up all the BHs at once? No because the BHs are different each day therefore its not picking them up all at once its a stacking effect and like I said a loop. If you miss one day you are fubared[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
well have to agree with pressa and dema, but its for each person to decide do they wanna lose 20k daily or exp for 2 days to make this loop. i see ppl stacking up bhs at later level when running to boss is long or porting costs more.
and even if you port every day...if u dont do it for one day then u still get fubared and lose exp you could get
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If you do BH1 yesterday, but turn it in today, you get the BH2 of today, it doesn't give you the BH2 of yesterday. So you do pick up all of the BHs of the current day.
But in the long run, I'd rather sacrifice exp and save the money.0 -
Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »Alright fine let me lay this out just a little bit better since Demaulicus laid it out so well but you still didn't get it.
Try this you miss a day :O Can you now pick up all the BHs at once? No because the BHs are different each day therefore its not picking them up all at once its a stacking effect and like I said a loop. If you miss one day you are fubared
Completed BH does not have a timer on it. Turn it in whenever. Thats what makes the stacking possible to begin with.0 -
Okay for you less intellectual people here is what I'm saying. For those of you who wine the instances it comes to about 70k each per person for the wines. That's 490k a week you are spending in the instances. Now take the fact that the bosses respawn every 24 hours so you have someone with a reliable connection save the instance. The doors will be open so let's say it's BH59 or BH79 then all bosses are accessbile. Take into account that it will still be a wined instance thus giving you 6 days of not buying wines per week. "OMG, He said 6 days of saving coins in a sense." That's right so you save 350k a week by doing this. That gives you coinage to port back and forth to grab the next BH. That means by porting you still save 210k coins. Also, To my knowledge saving instances is not against the rules and isn't against the ToS.
How is this a fail concept? Enlighten me on how being able to fully complete BHs and save coins is a bad thing. I've been doing what I said above for a while now and it is better than the idea the OP suggested. Meh... Do things the way you want but I don't see the point of changing my method. b:bye
@Skimi. Hi hun. Come back to Heaven's Tear and hang out with me else I'll have to troll you b:angry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Demaulicus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Okay for you less intellectual people here is what I'm saying. For those of you who wine the instances it comes to about 70k each per person for the wines. That's 490k a week you are spending in the instances. Now take the fact that the bosses respawn every 24 hours so you have someone with a reliable connection save the instance. The doors will be open so let's say it's BH59 or BH79 then all bosses are accessbile. Take into account that it will still be a wined instance thus giving you 6 days of not buying wines per week. "OMG, He said 6 days of saving coins in a sense." That's right so you save 350k a week by doing this. That gives you coinage to port back and forth to grab the next BH. That means by porting you still save 210k coins. Also, To my knowledge saving instances is not against the rules and isn't against the ToS.
How is this a fail concept? Enlighten me on how being able to fully complete BHs and save coins is a bad thing. I've been doing what I said above for a while now and it is better than the idea the OP suggested. Meh... Do things the way you want but I don't see the point of changing my method. b:bye
Why can't you do both? Save the time/money of porting back to Arch every day, while at the same time saving wine fees for a week. These strategies don't look mutually exclusive to me...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Aadi - Lost City wrote: »Why can't you do both? Save the time/money of porting back to Arch every day, while at the same time saving wine fees for a week. These strategies don't look mutually exclusive to me...
Cause I like my experience as much as I like coins. For people who have all day to play might be able to sacrifice the EXP from the BH but I work 10 hour shifts thus why I do things the way I do.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Demaulicus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Cause I like my experience as much as I like coins. For people who have all day to play might be able to sacrifice the EXP from the BH but I work 10 hour shifts thus why I do things the way I do.
Meh, you only lose one BH2 and two BH3s to begin with, then you don't lose any at all, but to each their own I guess. b:chuckle I would adopt the saving the instance strategy, except I rarely do BH and when I do it's a random party anyway.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Demaulicus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Also, You lose out on EXP rather than having someone save a wined instance for that BH thus having all doors open in fb59 or fb79 instance and it still being wined so only bosses spawn cause they should still respawn every 24 hours. It doesn't take long and doesn't cost anything to warp to Arch from DWP through the Cube of Fate then it's what 8k or 10k to warp back in. Sorry but 16k to 20k is easy to accumulate in PWI these days. Make an instance once a week and save it for that week.
Small problem with this. Most people dont have a second computer they can just leave on to have a lvl 1 cleric (or whatever) holding the instance as saved. I know i dont. It also necessitates a completely reliable connection that wont blink out ever (unless you stare at it 24/7 to catch the d/c). While the idea of a saved instance is good, its not practical for the majority.Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »Try this you miss a day :O Can you now pick up all the BHs at once? No because the BHs are different each day therefore its not picking them up all at once its a stacking effect and like I said a loop. If you miss one day you are fubared
Depends on what you mean by missing a day. I do this system for my BH100s. Granted its only a BH1 i need to hold onto instead of 1 & 2, but same idea. However, i hold onto my prior completed BH1 until i know i'm going to do the BH2 on a run where i havent completed todays yet. "Oh squad for abaddon even tho its todays BH2 and i havent done BH1? no problem, let me turn in yesterdays BH1 & pick up the Bh2 Abaddon and off we go!" If you pick up the 3 (or 2 for 100+) at the start of the day, and then dont do it, yes you're fubared. But if you dont use your held completed BHs until the need comes to grab a BH token to get a later BH in the chain, then you're never fubared. If i dont do my BHs for a day, its no problem, cause i hold onto my completed prior BH1 till the next day, and can pick it up for whatever day i'm going to do it.
The premise is just to have a completed BH1 (and a completed BH2 for lower then 40-99) in your quest log, ready to hand in when you need a token to grab a BH2 or BH3.
Now if you're not militant on doing every BH every day, you might only do a BH2 one day, okay then you're a little screwy. you used your completed BH1 to get the BH2 quest, and thereby the next day you'll have to go back to the "old way" until some day, you do a BH1 & dont do a BH2. If you're not gonna do the BH2, dont hand in the BH1 and you set again.
I guess the real thing is, dont think of it as a robotic regimented "system". Just basically dont hand in a BH1 (or 2 for below 100), unless you know you need the token to pick up another BH. Otherwise, just hold onto the hand-in for a later day.0 -
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This is awesome, I use it for all my toons, and I would never go back to getting bh quests one-by-one.0
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Why are more people not doing this? It sucks when you fill an empty squad slot with a random nub and they slow everything down.0
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