Why this? (Herc tanks 3-1 squad mode subbed)

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear

Q_Q

There are some venos here on forum, that tanked 3-1, with min mag, LA, with about 12 chan, at lvl 79-82.
Well, why was my herc dead at dark colluseast, lvl82 as me, with -21 chan, pure mag ? O_O this seems so strange to me.

So, have I to think that who said that tanked and soloed full 3-1 (except djinnscream) with those stats and chan at those lvls is lying?
Idk.

u.u

(while tanking, I only spam heal on pet, holding finger on keyboard)

Is there any trick to tank, that Idk?

Nasume - Lost City

b:bye the trick is
dont just spam the heal skill but to watch your herc hp and heal.

Midnitekitty - Heavens Tear

I had exact same problem wen I was tanking with herc at lvl82. I also have -21chan and almost pure mag build. But that same boss one hit my herc twice in 2 different runs. I don't think its our healin, we are just unlucky the damn boss choice our hercs to crit on b:cry

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear

Nasume - Lost City wrote: »

b:bye the trick is
dont just spam the heal skill but to watch your herc hp and heal.

-.-
have u ever tanked a boss makin ur herc 3k dmges in 1.1 seconds? ^^
LOL

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear

Midnitekitty - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I had exact same problem wen I was tanking with herc at lvl82. I also have -21chan and almost pure mag build. But that same boss one hit my herc twice in 2 different runs. I don't think its our healin, we are just unlucky the damn boss choice our hercs to crit on b:cry

Q_Q I'm not feeling me so lonely now *_*

TY b:pleasedb:flower

Poisa - Lost City

if you skipped to many mobs thats your problem. in act 3 you are REQUIRED to kill x mobs per boss or they get a super aoe that kills everyone. secondly id sugest putting shreik on your herc while it sucks in fbs ect for agro it makes hh bosses alot easier to heal. most of a hh bosses dmg comes from the cast

Midnitekitty - Heavens Tear

Poisa - Lost City wrote: »

if you skipped to many mobs thats your problem. in act 3 you are REQUIRED to kill x mobs per boss or they get a super aoe that kills everyone. secondly id sugest putting shreik on your herc while it sucks in fbs ect for agro it makes hh bosses alot easier to heal. most of a hh bosses dmg comes from the cast

In my case, this wasn't the reason. We killed more than the required mobs. I had no problems with all of the other bosses, just that dark colluseast.

Nasume - Lost City

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

-.-
have u ever tanked a boss makin ur herc 3k dmges in 1.1 seconds? ^^
LOL

b:sad once pet pack out i rushed it to 90 so dont know but i know things about bosses in 3-1
behemoth boss sometimes hit real hard (usually before his 75% hp with magic) like 2-5 times im not really sure afterward he hits normal dmg
and for snake do not move your herc as the boss's magic will hits about as hard as behemoth
and also MOST IMPORTANT THING about 3-1 3-2 hhs you need to kill amount of mobs or boss will aoe.
also as lvl90 herc boss sometimes hit just as hard,
once you're 100 with your herc is also 100 you can afk macro tank

/NiKi - Lost City

u dont have to kill all mobs,16 i think.theres msg pop up soon as u get in,
which tracks how many mobs u killed.
if u are soloing squad mode,remember to stow and summon herc again between bosses,so hercs buff dont run out in middle of boss,since soloing takes long,bosses have 3-4mil hp.another thing,pay attention on boss,when they cast skills be prepared to heal on time,spam heal wont help then it have to be right timing since they hit much harder with skills.herc not barb and cant cancel skills,sometimes they do get interrupted but dont count on that.

Gasoline - Lost City

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Q_Q

There are some venos here on forum, that tanked 3-1, with min mag, LA, with about 12 chan, at lvl 79-82.
Well, why was my herc dead at dark colluseast, lvl82 as me, with -21 chan, pure mag ? O_O this seems so strange to me.

So, have I to think that who said that tanked and soloed full 3-1 (except djinnscream) with those stats and chan at those lvls is lying?
Idk.

u.u

(while tanking, I only spam heal on pet, holding finger on keyboard)

Is there any trick to tank, that Idk?

Maybe your hercs buffs run out or you lagged out o.o

I even had a lvl 78 herc tank dark colluseast once (my herc died cuz i lagged) and she tanked rest of boss without any problem since i couldn't get agro back b:surrender

No clue what you're doing wrong i tanked 3-1 at low 8X with like -6 channeling and minimum magic. But i really had to only spam heal than and normally hp could get very low when he used that double attack. Just Deathflow that occasionally killed my herc when he used some uber high end magic attack, rest bosses was np. Maybe you just got unlucky and he landed a really high hit, 2 times in a row.

Normally you kinda watch and try to time your heals with his attacks tho, it will come naturally after a while and you wont even have to think about doing it.

Edit: If you're going in solo try to get a cleric to buff you before you tank the bosses, the extra magic attack will help loads.

Regenbogen - Lost City

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Q_Q

There are some venos here on forum, that tanked 3-1, with min mag, LA, with about 12 chan, at lvl 79-82.
Well, why was my herc dead at dark colluseast, lvl82 as me, with -21 chan, pure mag ? O_O this seems so strange to me.

So, have I to think that who said that tanked and soloed full 3-1 (except djinnscream) with those stats and chan at those lvls is lying?
Idk.

u.u

(while tanking, I only spam heal on pet, holding finger on keyboard)

Is there any trick to tank, that Idk?

lvling up petheal helps a lot...just lv up once...b:bye

Dagger_Wish - Dreamweaver

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Q_Q

There are some venos here on forum, that tanked 3-1, with min mag, LA, with about 12 chan, at lvl 79-82.
Well, why was my herc dead at dark colluseast, lvl82 as me, with -21 chan, pure mag ? O_O this seems so strange to me.

So, have I to think that who said that tanked and soloed full 3-1 (except djinnscream) with those stats and chan at those lvls is lying?
Idk.

u.u

(while tanking, I only spam heal on pet, holding finger on keyboard)

Is there any trick to tank, that Idk?

What happens is that ur buff runs out primarily ur mag buff,well not rly runs out but it just dies by it self and that makes ur herc die it has nothing to do with time its just some glitch that makes mag buff reset or w/e dunno how to explain.
Trick is to target ur herc during tanking and as soon as u see mag buff gone rebuff quick.
Another trick i to get cleric buffs and as soon as u see mag buff gone u can be 100% sure its gone on ur Herc also.

From my expirience from doing a **** load of solo TT on my veno this will happen only on Feng in TT 2-1 trough 2-3 ,dark colluseast,and that biitch that looks like Cenminator b:laugh

I hope this helps u

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear

ty all, btw colluseast still hitted herc with mag atk for about 2k, that's normal dmg with herc buffed.
So, I think I just lagged. ^^
And then QQed.

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Q_Q

There are some venos here on forum, that tanked 3-1, with min mag, LA, with about 12 chan, at lvl 79-82.
Well, why was my herc dead at dark colluseast, lvl82 as me, with -21 chan, pure mag ? O_O this seems so strange to me.

So, have I to think that who said that tanked and soloed full 3-1 (except djinnscream) with those stats and chan at those lvls is lying?
Idk.

u.u

(while tanking, I only spam heal on pet, holding finger on keyboard)

Is there any trick to tank, that Idk?

I got a feeling your talking about me from this thread. http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=633531&page=3

It wasnt easy i'll tell you.

Coredash, yea pretty easy, just physical attacks and the occasional aoe

Dark Colloseast, first time my herc tanked, I had a cleric in squad to red bubble

Illusion Nemem was the hardest for me had to have red bubble and another veno to assist heal. I haven't tried to solo it (like completely solo with no cleric buffs or veno's helping heal)

Dijinscream: Don't really tank it, just attack. Herc just grabbed aggro first. but boss only hits 1's out

Deathflow, Didnt use red bubble here, just tanked with cleric buffs. luckily i timed my heals right.

Steelation: Same as above.

After turning lvl 83 and getting lvl 9 heal. I can solo heal all the bosses, excluding illusion nemen because i havent tried it, with just my -12% channeling.

Weapon I'm using is glaives of divinity, only has +1 refine and a flawless saphire shard.

sleeves of the sea captian for -6% chan, and i have a -3% lvl 52 necklace and -3% lvl 75 belt for special boss purposes.

my base magic is 240 and with addons its 271. my magic attack unbuffed is only 3027-4474.

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »

I got a feeling your talking about me from this thread. http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=633531&page=3

It wasnt easy i'll tell you.

Coredash, yea pretty easy, just physical attacks and the occasional aoe

Dark Colloseast, first time my herc tanked, I had a cleric in squad to red bubble

Illusion Nemem was the hardest for me had to have red bubble and another veno to assist heal. I haven't tried to solo it (like completely solo with no cleric buffs or veno's helping heal)

Dijinscream: Don't really tank it, just attack. Herc just grabbed aggro first. but boss only hits 1's out

Deathflow, Didnt use red bubble here, just tanked with cleric buffs. luckily i timed my heals right.

Steelation: Same as above.

After turning lvl 83 and getting lvl 9 heal. I can solo heal all the bosses, excluding illusion nemen because i havent tried it, with just my -12% channeling.

Weapon I'm using is glaives of divinity, only has +1 refine and a flawless saphire shard.

sleeves of the sea captian for -6% chan, and i have a -3% lvl 52 necklace and -3% lvl 75 belt for special boss purposes.

my base magic is 240 and with addons its 271. my magic attack unbuffed is only 3027-4474.

I lagged a lot.
QQ
I say thank u, but I'm pure, with more mag atk unbuffed, and -21 chan.
I'm sure I lagged.
And my pc has said me byebye, so I've to wait a new pc to restart playing pw, but I think that now I could solo squad mode tt 3-1 with my new heal lvl9*_*

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

Dagger_Wish - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What happens is that ur buff runs out primarily ur mag buff,well not rly runs out but it just dies by it self and that makes ur herc die it has nothing to do with time its just some glitch that makes mag buff reset or w/e dunno how to explain.
Trick is to target ur herc during tanking and as soon as u see mag buff gone rebuff quick.
Another trick i to get cleric buffs and as soon as u see mag buff gone u can be 100% sure its gone on ur Herc also.

From my expirience from doing a **** load of solo TT on my veno this will happen only on Feng in TT 2-1 trough 2-3 ,dark colluseast,and that biitch that looks like Cenminator b:laugh

I hope this helps u

The buffs ARE timed. It isn't a glitch. They only last an hour. And targeting your herc won't necessarily show you when they run out - a lot of the times they still show up under my pets even though they expired. Someone else suggested to resummon and rebuff herc, which would work fine.

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I lagged a lot.
QQ
I say thank u, but I'm pure, with more mag atk unbuffed, and -21 chan.
I'm sure I lagged.
And my pc has said me byebye, so I've to wait a new pc to restart playing pw, but I think that now I could solo squad mode tt 3-1 with my new heal lvl9*_*

That's probably what it was. Just lag. I had this happen to me on illusion nemen with red bubble going, the other veno lagged, and my herc died. luckily there was a barb in squad to catch it, so i could resummon, buff, and start tanking again.

Darksylph - Heavens Tear

Dagger_Wish - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What happens is that ur buff runs out primarily ur mag buff,well not rly runs out but it just dies by it self and that makes ur herc die it has nothing to do with time its just some glitch that makes mag buff reset or w/e dunno how to explain.

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The buffs ARE timed. It isn't a glitch. They only last an hour. And targeting your herc won't necessarily show you when they run out - a lot of the times they still show up under my pets even though they expired. Someone else suggested to resummon and rebuff herc, which would work fine.

Its the same magic defense bug that cleric buffs have. Recasting over will not extend the existing timer on that buff. The bug seems to be the buff itself, not the cleric one only. So yes sometimes it seems like it dissappears early if you tried recasting over an existing one, the reflect & p.def buffs refresh the timers, while the m.def buff doesnt, & thus it ends early. As mentioned before, when you want to rebuff herc, unsummon & resummon & then rebuff, between every boss.

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its the same magic defense bug that cleric buffs have. Recasting over will not extend the existing timer on that buff. The bug seems to be the buff itself, not the cleric one only. So yes sometimes it seems like it dissappears early if you tried recasting over an existing one, the reflect & p.def buffs refresh the timers, while the m.def buff doesnt, & thus it ends early. As mentioned before, when you want to rebuff herc, unsummon & resummon & then rebuff, between every boss.

b:chuckle nevermind me. Something about their wording made me think they thought the buffs were permanent.

kenlee

Midnitekitty - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I had exact same problem wen I was tanking with herc at lvl82. I also have -21chan and almost pure mag build. But that same boss one hit my herc twice in 2 different runs. I don't think its our healin, we are just unlucky the damn boss choice our hercs to crit on b:cry

uh neither pets or bosses crit but sure bosses have a range damage like:
Physical Attack - 1933 - 5799 / Magic Attack 2899 - 8698 (this is Dark Colluseast)
and you can have bad luck and get like 2 highest hits in a row

btw, djin buffs also helps healing.. stay near wall and have someone hitting him from time to time to get his buffs

kaitae

Also lvling up "Strong" and "Protect" will help alot
(Required pet lvl)
Strong Lvl1: Increase Pet's Physical Defense by 30% for 1 hour. (01)
Strong Lvl2: Increase Pet's Physical Defense by 60% for 1 hour. (20)
Strong Lvl3: Increase Pet's Physical Defense by 90% for 1 hour. (40)
Strong Lvl4:Increase Pet's Physical Defense by 120% for 1 hour. (60)
Strong Lvl5:Increase Pet's Physical Defense by 150% for 1 hour. (80)

Protect Lvl1: Increase Pet's Magic Defense by 30% for 1 hour. (01)
Protect Lvl2: Increase Pet's Magic Defense by 60% for 1 hour. (20)
Protect Lvl3: Increase Pet's Magic Defense by 90% for 1 hour. (40)
Protect Lvl4:Increase Pet's Magic Defense by 120% for 1 hour. (60)
Protect Lvl5:Increase Pet's Magic Defense by 150% for 1 hour. (80)

from 30% to 150% is a big difference and if its the same for all pet skills this will only set u back 800k per skill to max it

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

A herc already comes with those skills maxed.

kaitae

lol that was quick, and thx for the correction. ^^