Psychics = MP Whores?

Shadow_Fang - Raging Tide

Hello Psychics!

So, I've heard a rumour that you folks eat through MP faster than a fat Cleric in an MP Charm Shop. To what extent is this statement true?

The reason I ask is because I'm thinking of creating a Psychic. I don't, however, want to become an MP charm *****; I'd like my expense to be kept to reasonable levels.

AFAIK, you don't have an MP buff like a Cleric and you don't have an MP shield like a Wizard. To what extent are you meditating when going on TT/FB runs and the like?

Kind regards,

Shadow

Monophobia - Raging Tide

well, our skills have pretty High Mana costs, they cast pretty fast,
combining that, is that our Mana goes down rapidly and donst have time to recover that much

thats what i have Seen, but well, im still lvl 19

Glowfish - Lost City

yeh, i drink MP like it's water. I don't use MP charms though that would just end up way too expensive. just buy your pots in bulk b:victory

Sangodoc - Dreamweaver

Glowfish - Lost City wrote: »

yeh, i drink MP like it's water. I don't use MP charms though that would just end up way too expensive. just buy your pots in bulk b:victory

Quote for truth.

Yeah, psychics blow through MP incredibly quickly. Glowfish has the right idea too.

Personally, I also got a lot of +MP Recovery gear, and it has really helped. IIRC, my level 48 psychic has like +12 MP Recovery from gear.

P.S. I don't think "MP whores" is the right phrase for this. "MP guzzlers" might be more apt.

Kwon - Raging Tide

ooh it's so true. but after a certain time you learn to cope with that. before i reached lvl2 apotechary i used to buy like 50-100 mp pots at a time. afterwards just manufacture focus powder and u won't go out of mp. it's a cheap but rather time consuming solution(consider the time spent gathering salvia and crane herb)

Ivy_ - Dreamweaver

I have pots up the yin yang, and one genie skill that actually works very well. Dampen Magic Curse--it's generally a mana drain skill, but there is a chance that you can recover mp. Someone pointed it out to me and while it doesn't kick in as often as I'd like, it's a godsend when it does.

(Warning--it's very affinity-point heavy)

Selador - Heavens Tear

Yes Im an mp "pleasure worker".

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

What a tittle . . . (the thread)

Anyway it not so bad compared to cleric have to eat mp like crazy because they need to buff and heal.
We eat mp fast because we spam skill so fast. -_- . .
And we don't have mp recovery skill . . -_-a

_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear

all magical characters are mp burner xD
The best way to go (according to me) is pure magic, more mp, more mp recovery.
U'll be arcane, and as all AA user, squishy and with low hp until 90.
So, I think that pure mag + some mp pots is the way to go.

Shadow_Fang - Raging Tide

Many thanks for the responses, folks.

BTW, I didn't mean to offend anyone with the thread title; my sense of humour can be a little dark like that. I meant '*****' as having to perhaps sacrifice or compromise for personal gain; in your case, MP gain.

Peace b:victory

ryukage

For the record, no class burns MP faster than a Cleric in the field. A Cleric DDing while healing allies murders MP faster than anything a Psychic could ever do. If I start my day with my Cleric then switch to my Psy, its actually a pleasant change in MP management.

Esalium - Dreamweaver

I don't find psy that much a mp burner since in bh and fbs, I space my attacks and double spark so it's not that bad. For grinding, I rest a lot, but my killing speed sort of make up for the rest time comparing to other classes.

I'm pure magic and I gave up on mp pots a long time ago, they don't even regenerate 1/8 of my total mana, so not that useful... resting is better I find. I use a lot of jade powder and focus powder or the stronger version of the apo for tt runs.

Avadel - Raging Tide

With arcane build, BHs can be easily done without mana pots. the bosses usually dies without your mana run out. and after the turn in, you would full mana back. For TT bosses and bosses with tons of health, +mana regen items like focus powder works real well. As for usually grinding and questing, just meditate and pot at the same time, I find that really effective.

Psiadon - Sanctuary

I save on mp in bh/fb instances just due to the amount I have to throttle back my damage. Other than that I find I use less mana than a cleric.

I keep the apoth skill up to make my own powders.

Audjra - Raging Tide

Apothecary is a big help for psys. Jade powder n Focus Powder are

Neko_Goddess - Sanctuary

In reply to this thread, I would have to agree we eat Mp, but in ways we don't. A psychic can choose what type of spells they wish to cast. For instance, a DoT spell would cause less mp loss, yet impact the Mob/Player. If potted/Food Even a mp charm, you can avoid spend loads of money, also battles with a psychic should never last long. So if you were to compare a Psychic to another class that takes a minute to kill a mob, as for a psychic only 30 seconds. Then you would just be looking at getting your job done sooner then everyone else, not necessarily being a "Mana Eater".

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear

ryukage wrote: »

For the record, no class burns MP faster than a Cleric in the field. A Cleric DDing while healing allies murders MP faster than anything a Psychic could ever do. If I start my day with my Cleric then switch to my Psy, its actually a pleasant change in MP management.

coming from a lvl 84 cleric who has 7.5k mana and a lvl 61 psy who has 3.8-4k mana. my cleric uses lvl 75 event pots. 5k mana back, psy uses 3k mana ones. my psy went through 50, 3k mana in 2 days b:cry cleric went through 20 5k in a week b:laughb:surrender so psys mana useage IS worse than a clerics

Astoru - Heavens Tear

*Headdesk*

All arcane classes have a pretty damn high MP requirement, because well.....they're magic classes. They can't do **** without MP.

Wizards, clerics, and psychics have about the same MP requirement. I go through MP in an instance about as fast as a cleric spamming Ironheart. Venomancers would be on the list, if not for their MP recovery skills.

Sangodoc - Dreamweaver

Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wizards, clerics, and psychics have about the same MP requirement.

But they don't have exactly the same, and they have different speeds, so it all adds up.

If you have each of those two classes just spam their two basic attacks at level 10 you can see the difference:

Cleric:
2.0 sec - 144 MP - Great Cyclone
2.5 sec - 140 MP - Plume Shot
= ~3787 MP/min.

Wizard:
2.0 sec - 144 MP - Gush
2.3 sec - 141 MP - Pyrogram
= ~3977 MP/min.

Psychic:
2.0 sec - 141 MP - Aqua Impact
2.0 sec - 144 MP - Spirit Blast
= 4275 MP/min.

So a psychic would use almost 13% more MP per minute than a cleric, in that example.

Ginzoixx - Dreamweaver

As stated go arcane pure magic and the recovery is decent. Also as a Psychic you very rarely get hit so staying in robes is no problem.

Well from lvl 1 to 33 so far I rarely get hit. The times I do is when I attack an MR mob when not paying attn.

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear

Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*Headdesk*

All arcane classes have a pretty damn high MP requirement, because well.....they're magic classes. They can't do **** without MP.

Wizards, clerics, and psychics have about the same MP requirement. I go through MP in an instance about as fast as a cleric spamming Ironheart. Venomancers would be on the list, if not for their MP recovery skills.

u see why im jealous of my veno xD soul transfusion, which switches my mana and health, then my hp and mp skill tah dah full mp or in a fight hp xD. but wizzy's get alot more mana. they also have their water shield for mana. i know a lvl 100 wiz, she told me with her mana skill and her water shield she hardly ever needs mp pots

ryukage

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

coming from a lvl 84 cleric who has 7.5k mana and a lvl 61 psy who has 3.8-4k mana. my cleric uses lvl 75 event pots. 5k mana back, psy uses 3k mana ones. my psy went through 50, 3k mana in 2 days b:cry cleric went through 20 5k in a week b:laughb:surrender so psys mana useage IS worse than a clerics

Your MP usage is less because you're not DDing to the limit while healing several people at the same time. That takes a cleric's MP consumption above any other class. If you're only sparingly DDing, then no duh your MP usage is less.

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear

ryukage wrote: »

Your MP usage is less because you're not DDing to the limit while healing several people at the same time. That takes a cleric's MP consumption above any other class. If you're only sparingly DDing, then no duh your MP usage is less.

for the record, im guessing u have a high lvl cleric or u wouldnt have said that b:chuckle, i dont have fast channeling only -9% but IH channels very fast, and considering i spam like hell in bh, purify, wellspring, stream of rejuv. and i use mana like hell on cleric its a known fact that clerics use mana like crazy, im just saying its worse on my psy, and he has 2k less then cleric so i cant really compair them, it was just worse than my clerics at that lvl. and i dont dd in bh, rarely on bosses, even rarer on mobs. cause im usually only cleric, and i dont feel like dying and running back to town, becuase barb's gear is hell, or i have sin who oracled to 89

ryukage

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

for the record, im guessing u have a high lvl cleric or u wouldnt have said that b:chuckle, i dont have fast channeling only -9% but IH channels very fast, and considering i spam like hell in bh, purify, wellspring, stream of rejuv. and i use mana like hell on cleric its a known fact that clerics use mana like crazy, im just saying its worse on my psy, and he has 2k less then cleric so i cant really compair them, it was just worse than my clerics at that lvl. and i dont dd in bh, rarely on bosses, even rarer on mobs. cause im usually only cleric, and i dont feel like dying and running back to town, becuase barb's gear is hell, or i have sin who oracled to 89

Oh I agree, it's not AS bad if you're just doing support. But yeah if you try to DD at the same time... It's terrible. b:surrender I mourn for the MP charms I've eaten between my cleric and Psy. b:cry

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

pure mag + focus and jade power = gg mana


and wellspring quaff + glacial embrace + sage chi + triple spark = no need for mana pots.

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear

Here, lets put this to rest being that I have a psy and a cleric with all their skills in the max range.

PvE - when your tank is holding aggro the psychic's mp use is less than half that of a cleric as far as mp/sec if the cleric is doing their job right.
On the other end, on things like Frostland and Rebirth where the Psychic will likely be pulling a decent amount of aggro (unless they're undergeared or not a pure mag build) if the psy has soul of vengeance up, the mp usage is going to be approximately the same as a cleric due to the quantity of reflects. So, once sage/demon skills are out, Psychics may become the most mana-hungry class, but for the moment no.

PvP - Clerics use far more mana when being attacked, which guess what, they will be attacked, they're clerics, the numbers likely to be attacking the psychic (soul of vengeance or no) won't affect the Psy's mana anywhere near the damage that will be done to a cleric's mana with plume shell up. If the devs were looking to make the psychic a mana eater for increased profits, they've a long way to go to compare to clerics in pvp situations if they're looking to even it out.

Simple answer, clerics use mp far faster than psys.

Samsoul - Lost City

I just meditate and pot whilst im meditating. Like it's been said, our mp eatage and meditate time makes up for our super fast killing.

And try not to use bubble of life. Ohmygod the mp cost. (when levelled)

Daose - Harshlands

All magic classes burn MP. Ways to alleviate it are through apoc pots and charms. Next thread pls b:bye