MP Charm vs. Pots

Alyssira - Lost City

For MP costs, I was wondering which way would be most efficient/cheapest.

My 60 (almost 70) cleric uses around 30-40 lvl 60 MP pots for each BH 51 (i think this is including all three bosses, but it could be more. Once i recall using up 100+ lvl 60 mana pots in 1-2 days doing bh). I expect that lvl 70 bh 59 will probably use more mp pots, but i dont know how many bosses are in bh 59...

Obviously buying lvl 60 mp pots every other day takes a bit of money. And w/ skills/equip to think of, there isn't a lot :P

About how long does an mp charm last for a lvl 70+ cleric? Would it be cheaper to use tons of pots instead of one mp charm? tbh I'm fine w/ potting every time my mp goes down :P

But if hundreds of pots are more expensive than one mp charm, what type of mp charm is most worth my money (as in more mp per coin)?

Thanks for any help

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

pots:

120 x1250mp = 150kmp
120x 1200 coins = 144k coins


brozne charm
150k mp = 80 silver
80 silver = 240-400k (if 1g = 300-500k)

144k vs 240-400k


low lvl clerics help themsleves often with apo pots or regen pots (tho regen dont allow you to go into battle mode)


best if you look for 25lvl event mp food called Yuanxiao (tho it s very rare)

after 75lvl Herb Yanxiao is best source of mp

Alyssira - Lost City

How hard is it to get Yuanxiao? And won't it disappear entirely if everyone's using it, unless it's from an event that happens again and again? o__o A friend gave me around 20. Thanks for the quick reply

Pots seem like a cheaper way for mp too :P

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

it was an event that was long time ago, tho ocasionally someone still sell some food

anyway, easiest way for you is to get 75lvl then get 75lvl food via tokens

Alyssira - Lost City

Where can I get tokens? They're around 20k from what I've heard? Sorry noob here

Delia - Harshlands

Both pots and charms are expensive. Both have always been expensive (charms less so), at about 1 coin per MP (ouch! That's a 200 coin Ironheart!). With gold prices the way they are, charms are even more ridiculous, so they're more expensive than coin (didn't use to be this way).

Event potions (yanxiaos of various forms - Jolly used to have lower level ones) are the cheapest right now, especially while the box events happen (so it doesn't hurt to stock up when they do).

+MP recovery apothecary items (with some +MP recovery gear as you can find) do really well for no-AoE bosses though. 2 base + 50 powder + 8 gear + 10 from magic = ~70 MP recovery/second, or 140 MP recovery per ironheart. Using a +100 MP recov/second at level 60 makes this even better (120 MP/sec or 240 MP/IH = free ironheart spamming), but the powders are more expensive if you buy them.

Also keep in mind, when buying potions, lower level potions give you more mana per coin, although they can't replenish your mana pool as fast (or at all if you use more in 30 seconds than the potion provides).

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Alyssira - Lost City wrote: »

Where can I get tokens? They're around 20k from what I've heard? Sorry noob here

yep. buy from players. 3 tokens can be manufactured into 50 pots

but wait with stocking them till corals (or other anniversary pack kid) are back. price of tokens drop to 14k then

StreamElf - Sanctuary

Don't buy mp charms >.< I burn through one mp charm in a day, while I just use a few pots (most of the time less than 10) for one boss in fb59.
While grinding/questing just meditate. Or get to lvl 75 to get those yuanxiao (or however you write it) stuff. 3 tokens (3x20k=60k.. 60k for 50 food that restores 5k mana..)
Also, when doing bh/fb don't use pots when you've just killed a mob. You should have enough mana to spam IH when mobs are aggroed and you can always hit the pot button than anyway ^^

You can also get a free mp charm from the lochmur quests (from the one near misfortune.. But not the one that's on the same island. I don't know which lvl you need for it, but you can do it when you're lvl 75 for sure b:chuckle) and some other quests give you free mp charms too (don't ask me which ones.. but you'll know when you completed one of those xD)

Magicgabe - Lost City

This seems to work for me.

repeat (IH-Pureheart) till 2 spark

then 2 spark to regen 10%MP.

Oddly, this works when healing tanks with bosses. A lot of clerics seems to heal every 3 seconds to minimize MP loss. Throwing in a pureheart gives you 15 chi for really cheap MP and adds to the total heal/s. I used this in BH69 for the past 2 months and nobody has complained yet. If I'm moderately focused and not falling asleep, I don't have to use any pots in BH. Mind you I stack -x% channeling and +MP regen gear, so this may not work with everyone. (and my pureheart is lvl3).

Bowlinbob - Lost City

Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »

This seems to work for me.

repeat (IH-Pureheart) till 2 spark

then 2 spark to regen 10%MP.

Oddly, this works when healing tanks with bosses. A lot of clerics seems to heal every 3 seconds to minimize MP loss. Throwing in a pureheart gives you 15 chi for really cheap MP and adds to the total heal/s. I used this in BH69 for the past 2 months and nobody has complained yet. If I'm moderately focused and not falling asleep, I don't have to use any pots in BH. Mind you I stack -x% channeling and +MP regen gear, so this may not work with everyone. (and my pureheart is lvl3).

psst, you spelled idiotic incorrectly in your sig for the 1st one.b:shutup

Glerig - Heavens Tear

Alyssira - Lost City wrote: »

For MP costs, I was wondering which way would be most efficient/cheapest.

My 60 (almost 70) cleric uses around 30-40 lvl 60 MP pots for each BH 51 (i think this is including all three bosses, but it could be more. Once i recall using up 100+ lvl 60 mana pots in 1-2 days doing bh). I expect that lvl 70 bh 59 will probably use more mp pots, but i dont know how many bosses are in bh 59...

Obviously buying lvl 60 mp pots every other day takes a bit of money. And w/ skills/equip to think of, there isn't a lot :P

About how long does an mp charm last for a lvl 70+ cleric? Would it be cheaper to use tons of pots instead of one mp charm? tbh I'm fine w/ potting every time my mp goes down :P

But if hundreds of pots are more expensive than one mp charm, what type of mp charm is most worth my money (as in more mp per coin)?

Thanks for any help

Dont worry about that, i used to spend a lot till lv75 when i could get herb yuanxiao... its price is around 1k-2k so it is cheaper than pots... once i get like 100 herbs at 200 coins each that was great lol

So hang on till lv 75

/Billion - Heavens Tear

yea im in the same boat as you...

but... 30-40 pots for a 51 run? Are you LA build or arcane build? I was LA build and switched over to arc/vit and i must say i like it much much better. Remember with an LA build your overall magic will be lower making your mp regen smaller =/

if your the ONLY cleric in the squad dont worry about DDing, you can pretty much slack off with only healing. I find myself using ALOT more pots while trying to heal and dd at the same time.

Also, regen helps alot. since your not in combat during healing mp regen will add more mp back per second which may seem small in the beginning but is worth it in the end.
(also make sure your regen buffs are 10 if they arent already)

A few people before spoke about regen/mp pots that could be used. I myself got my apoth up to level 4 and use it almost daily. A few of the pots i have used are focus powders and i have tried the MP pot type ones but youd need alot of mats for them. Focus powders are nice and i use them every time i BB.

(http://calcs.ucoz.com/apoth/elixirs.html - guide for pots)

Few people spoke about the yuex mp food pots. You can use them at 75. they can be made by buying tokens from other players and trading them in at the boutque vendor. Three tokens = 50 yuex pots. These pots are godly. They will cost you the same amount as a stack of lvl 60 MP pots but regen 3 times more the MP which is alot more bang for your buck~

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

on high hp bosses (well not bh/fb ones) refusing to DD or debuff and just heal every 5s is kinda easy way to **** ppl in squad

Alyssira - Lost City

atm i have 52 base vit, 39 str, and the rest into mag. I am lvl 69, i have the right amount of str for 70. i use lvl 60 mp pots for bh 51, not 30-40 lol. I pot once every time my mp is a little below half way, i don't know if this is necessary or not, but i think i would like to have the mp in case something goes wrong and i need to plume shield and heal others at the same time :P

and no i only have lvl 1 or 2 hp/mp regen buff. i've heard it doesn't do much at the higher lvls when it's maxed, and it's also expensive. i'd rather level my other more important skills first, unless i'm wrong which i could be lol just haven't heard a lot of praise for that regen buff, except from other classes

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear

i find mana charms a waiste of money, they activate at 50% mana. clerics burn through mana like no tomorrow. at 44 i bought a gold hp/mana. the mana lasted me 4 lvls, then hp like 10. and tbh i'd probably burn through a plat mana in a few days of bh. buy sesame yuanxiao, then at 75 start buying herb yuanxiao, sesame restores 3k mana. and herb restores 5k mana. very useful, right now i have about 7500 mana, at 1k-1.5k i'll use a herb and have like 6k mana back and i dont end up waisting half a charm. if i buy any charms i buy hp, hp means u have to heal yourself less, meaning u waiste less mana, meaning u dont have to meditate more. if u buy a mana charm i say its for 1) extensive grinding, using hyper exp or scrolls. i did this around lvl 46 i had a gold hp/mana and just grinded on vipions outside of lost city for 2 hours. 2) youre going zhening or RB, u have to hold bb for a long time so its nice to have a charm. 3) youre going into tt, sometimes u cant stop to hit the herb/sesame yuanxiao button. those r the only times i suggest using a mana charm

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

I never seem to need to use mp pots in FB51 maybe 1 or 2 but I use large ones.What lvl is your Celestial Guardian Seal at?

SirJinger - Lost City

1 or 2. should it be higher? o__O

neon1234560

O.o i can keep my tanks and everyone alive using less than 10 mp pots.... lvl 60 pots... and my cleric is lvl 65 with failish stats. 221ish mag, 61 str and dex, 19 vit. u should save ur mp by calculating how many IHs you need to keep the tank at full hp. with lvl 10 IH i usually cast 2 IHs and see if their hp is going up or down. if its going down quickly ill wellspring until they have moderate hp then continue IHing until their hp goes up. Then ill cast the same amount of IHs everytime the first IH buff dies (icon disappears from under char) lvling wellspring and IH to their max can basically save u a lot of mp. and when im not healing im meditating :P always be on ur toes tho. ive meditated a lot throughout my pw life so i get used to preparing to heal. so ill IH RIGHT when the buff disappears. you can count the 15 seconds if u want :P

and yea, with my conservative strategy, i somehow burned like 30k off an mp charm... change your strategy in healing for BHs and mp charms arent worth it unless ure battling :P

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

SirJinger - Lost City wrote: »

1 or 2. should it be higher? o__O

Yes it should be about 6 or 7 maybe 8 mine is now 10 and I have the party buffs as well.You will have much better time of regenning mana back with it at higher lvl.

Sukinee - Heavens Tear

You don't need to really buy either a charm or mp pots especially in grinding/questing. Focus powder is the best out of all those options...plus it can be free. b:victory

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Celestial Guardian Seal isnt very serious source of mp for any magic class
6 or 7 mp per second regen amount of mana you use just for one IH in 32-38 seconds.
'natural' cleric mp regen is higher than maxed CG Seal.

it may help a bit more when you grind and meditate (and like to waste a bit more time by sitting)

also getting it higher at low lvls is simple too expensive- it need more sp to max than 3 other buffs together o0

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

on high hp bosses (well not bh/fb ones) refusing to DD or debuff and just heal every 5s is kinda easy way to **** ppl in squad

After discovering the best macro ever (IH -> wellspring -> IH ...), I don't do anything anymore other than afk heal. I find that I save more mana this way and at the same time, i dont have to click on so many things. Useful especially in tt3-1

I am not really fond of doing so much work (to debuff the boss, you need to change target, debuff, change back to the tank.heal) since clerics are under appreciated anyway
Might as well stick to the norm.
Our priority is to keep the tank alive anyway, anything else is just extra
But please don't try this on bosses with debuffs and aoes.

Oh the topic, mana management is an issue most clerics would have. My advice to you if you are using so many pots in one run is to...buy more pots. Sometimes, its inevitable and don't jeapordise the safety of the squad by trying to cut down your mana cost. In a solid squad where everyone knows what to do, your mana consumption should not be high at all. Depnding on the tank and the bosses, some only needs ih every few seconds and you dont have to constantly spam it. Also, don't meditate for mana right in front of a boss. Ask around for spare mana pots instead of meditating.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

After discovering the best macro ever (IH -> wellspring -> IH ...), I don't do anything anymore other than afk heal. I find that I save more mana this way and at the same time, i dont have to click on so many things. Useful especially in tt3-1

I am not really fond of doing so much work (to debuff the boss, you need to change target, debuff, change back to the tank.heal) since clerics are under appreciated anyway
(...)

cleric who dont debuff is kinda like veno who doesnt amp
ijs..

*gives icecream to lyl*

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

cleric who dont debuff is kinda like veno who doesnt amp
ijs..

*gives icecream to lyl*

A happy cleric is much, much better than a happy veno. ijs...

Ryliee - Lost City

ick lol i got to get my debuffs lvled, each one is only lvl 1 and i'm lvl 70 fail...

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

also getting it higher at low lvls is simple too expensive- it need more sp to max than 3 other buffs together o0

lol para, it is not as expensive as spirit's gift, but its better to spend the spirits elsewhere than to level the regen buff.

and Ryliee, dont bother with your debuffs until you start to TT alot and make sure your more important skills are maxed first. ( IH, plume shot, cyclone, AoE heal, purify, rez)
think of debuffs as the icing on the cake, rather than your role

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol para, it is not as expensive as spirit's gift, but its better to spend the spirits elsewhere than to level the regen buff.

and Ryliee, dont bother with your debuffs until you start to TT alot and make sure your more important skills are maxed first. ( IH, plume shot, cyclone, AoE heal, purify, rez)
think of debuffs as the icing on the cake, rather than your role

is 2x more epxensive than spirit gift actually

anyway, from debuffs -if pve- then mag debuff

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Well, I've jsut checked ecatomb and if ecatomb says it is more expensive, then it is more expensive. My bad on that assumption. Here, an ice cream back for you

Candie - Raging Tide

40 pots per bh run ? O_o That's weird , I usually drink 0-4 pots , but I'm pure-mag cleric , maybe that's the reason

SirJinger - Lost City

yea my cleric uses up around 20-40 per bh boss, depending on how bad/good the squad is. ex if the squad is kamikaze and like to run into every mob close enough for them to run into it takes quite a bit of mp for me to keep up w/ everyone's hp. and yess i will try and save horrible squads the first time, 2nd time meh...

and my cleric isn't full mag either, around 50 or so pts into vit. i don't think i'll have the money to shard enough hp shards, could be wrong though, each one around 100k right?

another thing is that i like to pot whenever my mp reaches the halfway point, just in case b:chuckle