What level are fist BMs good at Pvp and what build as well?

zenwarrior21

In general, are Fist BMs good at pvp around lvl 50s, or do they have to go all the way to endgame 90+? What about killing only pink/red names? Title basically says all, but what would be a good build if so for a pvp fist BM? My guess is either 5str, 4dex, 1vit till 60 and then 3str, 2dex, or 3str, 1vit, 1str up to 30 and then 3str and 2 dex.

Seablue - Sanctuary

I'm not lvl99 yet but I'd say fist only becomes viable in pvp after lvl99. This is when a good portion of -interval gear is available to you.

Even if you can get lots -interval gear at lvl99, you won't be good enough if you don't at least have maxed drake bash and a axe for stun locking purposes. People will kite/stun/sleep/freeze/seal you, and you're stuns are the ways to prevent that. Anyone who stand there and tank your damage deserves to die. Conversely if you don't force someone to tank your damage you deserve to die.

By lvl99 you should have your own build figured out. Dependng on the stats and refine you have on your gear, you might decide to put in some vit. But the 3str 2dex build is the build you want if you can. By lvl100 300str and 200dex is a nice goal, you can put the rest into vit if you want to OR go for more dex/str.

Also I highly suggest you master the art of switching weapons in combat before lvl99; you won't be using just one weapon end game. Combined with nonlagging computer and good internet connection, you should do fine provided that you can get close to ppl before you die.

Almozeaj - Heavens Tear

what seablue said about axes skills , blah blah blah

yes it is true you need Stunlocking to force your opponets to take damage i duel lvl 15+ clerics and wizards , i can kill the wizard easly but the cleric heal which is a problem , so i stun lock him with this , Roar of Pride , Aeolin blade ( theres a chance if it works its perfect) , Drakes bash , and now use you're highest damaging skill you'll probably finish him off , dont forget to use True emptniss or balance at starting of the duel / pvp fight though

CJseven - Raging Tide

fist bms get competent at pvp around 70, you should be able to one verse one most light and arcane users without too mch trouble. when you get into your 80s and get some decent gear you will be able to kill any class one verse one with a little practice, this includes barbs, they hate when bm kills them . 90 plus all you get is faster and higher dmg output, so easier kills. hope it helps

for the build use your dex requirement for your fists as your max dex, then put all the other points into str for higher dmg. will get most of your hp from gear so really no need to add vit

TheDan - Sanctuary

Fists don't get good till at least 90+.. Way better at 99+


1) Low Vit Fist BMs are simply too squishy unless you can get some decent armor with decent refines (usually HH90 and above) 5% HP necklace and good magic defense ornaments aren't around till 90's range

2) Most interval bonuses from gear aren't available till 90-99 including the weapon itself

3) You pretty much need a lv 90+ genie for enough affinity and points to get a competent genie in pvp as well as maxing stuns from the Axe branch if you want to stun competently

4) Can't learn any good sage/demon skills until you're in the 89-99 range

5) Can't use special apothecary until 90+ ex: Ironguards / Sutras / White Tea and also high level attack/defense charms

Telarith - Sanctuary

I know they are competitive in at least 1 v 1 PK in the 8X range, with either Buddha Fists or Gorenox. Had a barb try to jump me in the jail room, pretty high end gear on them as they cash shop. Used fists for Roar spam and to wear down their immunity skills/apoths, then they ran with using their die as soon as heaven's flame was tossed in to tick their charm and i swapped to fists. Almost had em dead, but they got out in the brief duration they weren't stunned.

So if we can kill a barb, we deal enough damage to kill the other classes as well (it was an at level barb). The main thing is having the apoths and chi to survive getting close to some of the other classes.

Dakaruch - Lost City

90+ it's ok to go fists if you have decently refined armor. Definetely a must to go fists at 100 if not 99.
Best fists/claws that you can get atm are lvl 95+. Lunar claws with -interval, or HH100 fists with 4% crit and -interval. As fists the most important thing is your attack speed. Whatever other aditional skills your fists have it doesn't matter. You want -int to be able to kill someone fast during charm cooldown.
For both this weapons need something close to 200 dex. And even though it's like 198 dex or so to use them... You should get 200 just for the extra crit % you get every 20 dex points. Anyway... Killing a barb at 100+ with fists, sorry but it's kinda impossible unless you have 5 attacks/sec attack speed, and highly refined claws/fists. Most barbs at 100+ have over 20k HP. Simply not doable unless they get debuffed (feel free to flame this sentence, it's still not doable). Bm vs Bm it's kinda hard too since both of you have the same skills and can simple break other one attacks with a well placed stun. But honestly fists will make you kill most arcane users and light armor users fast and easy. Make sure you get ocult ice on genie so you can stun lock someone, as aeolian blade is unreliable and besides that you can only stun with your roar of the pride.
About chi... You shouldn't have any issue with chi if you have decent high attack speed. You get 5 chi per hit... If you have only 2 attacks per second, that's 10 chi a sec. Your roar takes 35 (25 if you have the sage version). Can always get cloud eruption so you can spark and kill faster OR if you're demon, to hit harder and faster (25% attack speed increase with hell spark.
And anyway... at 100 you can have 300 str, 200 dex and ~140 vit with gears if you're smart and use good gears. Should definetely go for at least 2 pieces of HH99, being one of them the 99 wrists for the -int it gives, and another piece will get you an extra -0.05 interval. If you have the money, buy a tome of scroll and get Love: Up and Down for yet another extra -0.05. If you want to go even further... Get 2 pieces of hh99 heavy and 2 pieces of hh99 light armor 2x -0.05 interval.

Michael - Harshlands

DONT EVER mix heavy armor and evasion belt + 1 LA piece, 1 extra attack sparked isnt worth the loss of both physical and magical defence, unless you like dying alot in pvp in which case feel free to use it. Certain ways of mixing is passable such as wrist and boots light, and heavy chest + leggings

Put in the hard yards and get nirvana heavy leggings and 2 pieces of hh99 heavy gold for the best defences and hp possible while a fist BM, atm I only have 4 attacks per second (I lack a tome) and I kill level 100 barbs easy in pvp as they are human form, in TW cata barbs are alot different far more likely to invoke, ironguard that in pvp.

Knowing when you can marrow and when you cant is very very important for pvping for any type of BM as it will save you alot of charm if your charmed or allow you even to run charmless if you run out during pvp or even cant afford one (should be rare for a BM)

Stunlocking combo + fast attack speed allows you to kill fairly quickly without having to worry too much about using drakes bash but always have it as an option just incase you need it.

I personally only have 272 ST with gear as I dont see a need for high level axes (I use it for stunning and dragons not for damage), 200 dex is a must for a fist BM.

I didnt even get fists till 99 as without interval gear axes are far far far more effective (Roar>Dragon>mire>TE kills everything till 99, replace TE with highland cleave for the 1 in 100 times they try and pvp on the ground).

Perplexitie - Harshlands

best info i think ive read on forums yetb:laugh

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Michael, how come you have flawless in your TT99 armor and TT100 fists? b:shockedb:surrender

Imo, if you can get a genie with nice LP and put them all to STR for a high chance of success on Occult Ice, you become pretty powerful after your demon spark if you can get a couple of -int gears.

Normally you won't spark in PvP because people will just laugh at you and run, but with a reliable Occult Ice, you can pull of a combo that really **** off people. If you start with full chi, great. If not, try to live long enough to hit them til you do. Chi pots are handy to have at all time. The combo is this: Roar, demon spark, Occult Ice, punch, Bash, punch. If you start with full chi and have at least -0.15 int, you should have your spark back before Occult Ice ends and Bash them to keep them there. I used this for a long time without the continuation stun of Bash and it does massive amount of damage just in the time of Occult Ice. People will hate you for it and it's strong enough to kill non-HA in the upper 90s to 100 range when you are just 89. Now how often you use this really depends on how much STR you have on your genie. If your Occult Ice is not reliable, I wouldn't recommending using that combo because if Ice fails, you are left with almost no chi and a genie in cool down. You obviously won't need to use it for people you can kill easily with stun lock either.

Pinball_Map - Heavens Tear

Don't be pure fist WHATSOEVER, make sure you use other weapons such as Axes or Poleaxe for range/stun purpose...but anyways if there's ANY weapon in a BMs arsenal that can wreak ultimate havoc and rip Barbs one a new one --->






Deicide Claws with Demon Spark/Minus Interval Gears



Get those and a nice pair of axes (GXes preferrably) and own the **** out of everybody. Reason why I say to get axes also is so u can stun and/or Heaven's Flame. Low on chi you say? Get Cloud Eruption and besides with such high intervals you'll be gaining chi like no other (especially with the upgrade from the previous patch where BMs/Sin gain 5 chi insad of 4 from each attack)

Oh...and grab the genie skill Occult Ice so the opponent can be stuck for longer periods of time xD


Hope this helps.

Alliptica - Raging Tide

ok i know i'm not a BM but does anyone know of any gold 4x fists?

Michael - Harshlands

Pretty much all my stuff is flawless sharded while I farm HH to buy vit stones and 2 garnet gems for the fist, (no point upgrading to something weaker than those). I make 8-12 million coin a day if I spend 4hrs in HH just got to stop GVing to get my faction maps and focus on the farming.

and ill have you know its not just my 99 gear its my 2x recasted nirvana pants that are also flawless sharded b:laugh

Motoko - Raging Tide

Michael - Harshlands wrote: »

Pretty much all my stuff is flawless sharded while I farm HH to buy vit stones and 2 garnet gems for the fist, (no point upgrading to something weaker than those). I make 8-12 million coin a day if I spend 4hrs in HH just got to stop GVing to get my faction maps and focus on the farming.

and ill have you know its not just my 99 gear its my 2x recasted nirvana pants that are also flawless sharded b:laugh

Which TT do you solo for $, and what would you say is the bare minimum equip you could do it with?

Michael - Harshlands

I dont really solo HH, running with a squad is more effective for time and coin spent usually 1 bm, 1 archer, 1 veno, 1 cleric, and we pretty much can clear any HH run fairly quickly. I seriously recommend running with a level 100 archer friend Bloodvow + fist DD is insane for destroying bosses hp.

Rhyme - Harshlands

Michael - Harshlands wrote: »

I make 8-12 million coin a day

On top of the 300m a week you make from guild fundsb:thanks

Michael - Harshlands

My guild takes all the funds for charms (tabby uses way too many hp charms in TW) and dragon orbs QQ