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FanFon - Dreamweaver

We all know LA gets gimped end of game so i'm wondering if anyones tried HA sins yet in latter lvls, and if so what did you think of your build?

Trawne - Lost City

haven't tried it but guarantee if you do it fails.

so now you have a whole bunch of Pdef....great. now that barb doesnt hurt you as much.

what about that wiz that now 1 shots you?

or that EP tempest?

or those new psychics

or that archer with thundershock > lightning strike?

sure you have a small bit more HP from refine. lets look at what else you lost

~140 dex gone

thats 7% crit

~800 Patt (depends on weapon)

some amount of evasion/accuracy


those barbs and bm's that now hit you not quite as hard as before still have more HP than you.

those same barbs and bm's may have thundershock on their genie.

Perdition will still kill you

dragon => thundershock will also kill you.




overall it's not worth it.

just refine your ornaments and keep your dex

volst

Don't see a problem with it if you can get 5 attack per second. You'll just be a lower HP BM with assassin skills.

Aclucius - Lost City

I saw a thread somewhere of a guy who did just that. He says it is great, but I can't say if it is or isn't, and I won't try. Still, you might want to search for that thread and ask him directly how it is.

Trawne - Lost City

Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »

I saw a thread somewhere of a guy who did just that. He says it is great, but I can't say if it is or isn't, and I won't try. Still, you might want to search for that thread and ask him directly how it is.

i remember that guy talking about how he beats 8x barbs with tt60 daggers and he wears HA

i call bull ****. the only way thats possible is if the barb was a total fail. and i'm saying completely utterly fail like, had points in magic or some stupid ****. he certainly wasnt vit like any decent barb would be

Aclucius - Lost City

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

i remember that guy talking about how he beats 8x barbs with tt60 daggers and he wears HA

i call bull ****. the only way thats possible is if the barb was a total fail. and i'm saying completely utterly fail like, had points in magic or some stupid ****. he certainly wasnt vit like any decent barb would be

I don't disagree. However, for the sake of PvE, I imagine that would be the only reason to ever go HA, and that I'm still not even sure would be good.

Axels - Harshlands

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

i remember that guy talking about how he beats 8x barbs with tt60 daggers and he wears HA

i call bull ****. the only way thats possible is if the barb was a total fail. and i'm saying completely utterly fail like, had points in magic or some stupid ****. he certainly wasnt vit like any decent barb would be

i lol'ed when you said that sins get damage from dex not str so dmg would be way less and evasion crit wouldnt be as high either and low Hp even if you put into vit so whoever did that unless the barb went afk for ummm 20 min? b:chuckle or as you said AA barb ftw b:laugh

RADD_RATT - Harshlands

well said twarne. but you forgot the fact that even though the barbs deal less damage they hit you a lot more now.

over all HA has SOME advantage for pve and as far as pvp a HA sin is about as handy as a bucket of ****

Biafra - Heavens Tear

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

haven't tried it but guarantee if you do it fails.

so now you have a whole bunch of Pdef....great. now that barb doesnt hurt you as much.

what about that wiz that now 1 shots you?

or that EP tempest?

or those new psychics

or that archer with thundershock > lightning strike?

sure you have a small bit more HP from refine. lets look at what else you lost

~140 dex gone

thats 7% crit

~800 Patt (depends on weapon)

some amount of evasion/accuracy


those barbs and bm's that now hit you not quite as hard as before still have more HP than you.

those same barbs and bm's may have thundershock on their genie.

Perdition will still kill you

dragon => thundershock will also kill you.




overall it's not worth it.

just refine your ornaments and keep your dex

I agree with you.

lol my old bms genie has thundershock on it, I still have to wait near 30 levels till i can use the little thing on my sin, but your point on that has been proven now lol

Okeano - Harshlands

Hai RADD_RATT b:bye, nice FB last night.

OP: I'd ask swordman's Sin on DW by either sending him or his Sin (Ri$en?) a message. He's got the HA Nirvana leggings and about as end game gears as anyone's going to get. As for the problems Trawne mentioned, well he doesn't really have to worry about that because he's got like 10k HP unbuffed from +10 armors and VIT stones b:sweat.

TigerLily - Lost City

Heavy armor is obviously better than LA looking at refining and over all defense.
A heavy user with 2 magic defense belt/neck get more mag def than a LA user with phy def adorns. Also you get double the amount of phy def and loads more hp from refines so even survivability against casters will be higher due to the hp boost.

All tho the loss of dmg and crit is really not worth the extra hp and defense, sins aren't suppose to tank players really.

If i had a sin with warsoul daggers or nirvana daggers +12 i would prolly go 3/4 pieces heavy tho since i would still hit like a truck.

Ussichu - Sanctuary

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

haven't tried it but guarantee if you do it fails.

so now you have a whole bunch of Pdef....great. now that barb doesnt hurt you as much.

what about that wiz that now 1 shots you? They always did anyways....

or that EP tempest? equally geared still one shots if not close to it... that is if you are BUFFED

or those new psychics

or that archer with thundershock > lightning strike? Granted magic will do more, but wingspan will be less effective to use on a HA sins, it'll be like fighting a BM o_o;; which isn't hard, but isn't easy either.

sure you have a small bit more HP from refine. lets look at what else you lost

~140 dex gone

thats 7% crit

~800 Patt (depends on weapon) 800 Patt is a lot... but when you have 12k-20k attack range, that isn't tooooo gimptastic

some amount of evasion/accuracy rofl not even a valid point. Lunar rings = evasion is **** anyways


those barbs and bm's that now hit you not quite as hard as before still have more HP than you.

those same barbs and bm's may have thundershock on their genie.

Perdition will still kill you Lol not as badly now

dragon => thundershock will also kill you. Not like it didn't with LA




overall it's not worth it.

just refine your ornaments and keep your dex

You're damage will be gimped like hell in the beginning, but with end game daggers refined to +10-12, it's not that bad of a gimp.

Trawne - Lost City

Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're damage will be gimped like hell in the beginning, but with end game daggers refined to +10-12, it's not that bad of a gimp.

if you had a +10-12 bow would you go HA as an EA? b:puzzled


man. my wand is +10...i should go HA so barbs dont kill me

Ussichu - Sanctuary

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

if you had a +10-12 bow would you go HA as an EA? b:puzzled


man. my wand is +10...i should go HA so barbs dont kill me

After comparing builds, I prefer just using pdef ornaments and lunar ring refinements. (Since i use the pdef ornaments for the -.05 interval in the first place, works out)

If you put full vit stones also, gives you 15k pdef with +10 pdef ornaments and rings..

Trawne - Lost City

Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »

After comparing builds, I prefer just using pdef ornaments and lunar ring refinements. (Since i use the pdef ornaments for the -.05 interval in the first place, works out)

If you put full vit stones also, gives you 15k pdef with +10 pdef ornaments and rings..

thats the good way

the down side to those 2 pdef orns is your really low mdef (still a bit higher than if you went HA)

a way to counter would be instead of 2 CV rings get CoA rings. or 1 CoA 1 CV.

CoA rings refine for Mdef instead of Pdef but need to be +6 to give an equal amount of mdef as the bonus on CV ring, however it gives 3% crit and 7-8 dex and vit which is really nice.

Bstil - Dreamweaver

i have heard of Archers going HA in later lvls (90-100) for survivablity with soloing in pve. as i understand they use HA and fists with great success. why or why not would the same principles that guide the success of that build not benefit a Sin (HA, but with refined daggers or fists)? from my experience as dex sin i suck at soloing most bosses unless they are way under my lvl (at least 30-40lvls beneath me) or meant to be soloed. maybe i am doing something wrong i don't know, but i have played with the idea of going HA or a mix of HA and LA for that purpose.
having played a fist BM; i find it easier to solo with the BM. it can take a hit and keep moving with lil to no problems. HA armor with Mdef ornaments leaves it with a decent balance for soloing. in theory wouldn't it work for a Sin as well?

SoulFlare - Sanctuary

Sins are not mean to solo mini-bosses. In fact mini-bosses are more for like 2-3 people to work together.

TigerLily - Lost City

I think most archers would go heavy if they had a ☆☆Flowing Stardust +12.

Same with g16 for an assassin. The loss of dunno 100 stat points would not be that noticeable with a g16 weapon +12 while the extra hp and defense from highly refined heavy would increase your survivability drastically.

All tho the chances of getting a warsoul weapon are kinda slim for 99.9% of the server so i guess its kinda pointless even thinking about it b:cry

Just a +10+12 weapon (even if rank8 or Nirvana) going HA isn't really worth it for any pure build type of class ;/

_Whisper_ - Raging Tide

Assassin Gimped End Game? You want to lose Attack/Crit and other things for more Phy defense, HP?

I dont know if you know this but Assassins are a SPECIALIST class, we are meant to hit hard, do major damage, then disappear. We are not meant to Tank, nor were we meant to lose crit rate and attack speed because lemme tell you a lil secret....Thats the assassins life.

If you want to PVE and solo, then sure HA is the way to go, you can probably solo alot of things with high interval +sparks but for PVP imma give it a HELL NO. Heres the reason why.


1. The most important, Idk if you guys have noticed or not, maybe you lived in a box for a while, but Assassins have a skill called Stealth that they can use....OMG I KNO RIGHT. It Pretty much gives you the Advantage of suprise, as well as a couple of hits or Kills in before the Player knows what to do.

ANd now i kno your going to say "Well what about Refined gear, people with refined gear would **** Assassins" Which leads me to my next point, Assassins only need to refine their Weapon Mainly if they wanted to PVP endgame wanna know why?

2. CHILL OF THE DEEP- Again idk if you lived in a box so i can tell you, Assassins have this skill that increase your Attack Level by 30....Now think about it thats 30% more damage you do automatically... Thats about 60% of what a Warsoul weapon does....Major Damage Right??? Exactly

Now your wondering, How can i kill these classes endgame considering if they find me im pretty much dead.

3. Learn the "Sin Stun lock", Yes i know, sins can stun lock long enough to kill their Target easy. Its pretty much like hitting a chi stake but at the end, if your lucky, They might just drop something. Now of course im not gonna tell you the combo, you gotta learn that yourself, but sin crits +sin skills are deadly. Our Crit spike is out of this world. If you havnt noticed this already.

Now again your wondering "Wth, you think you can kill a HA in that amount of time, your ****" But now remember when i said we were a "Specialist" Class, Guess what? its going to come into play when i say

4.ASSASSINS ARE LA, ARCANE KILLERS. Our life revolves killing these poor squishies while staying away from their "big brothers" aka the Heavy Armors. If you keep trying 2 kill heavy armors as an assassin you dont know your class and you should reframe from playing that char....

O and to top it all off, endgame Assassins can get chi so quick, an assassin could triple spark, then in about 5 secs get the chi to triple spark again if they wanted. which leads me to my next point

5. Assassins are superior Chi builders- Which leads to using double-triple sparks in the shortest amounts of time, so check this out, If you wanted, you could spark....as many times as it takes to kill that player, which is usually 1-2 (2 if they are extremely refined or you have no clue what you are doing...or you dont have skills leveled)

With that being said, Assassins really are the endgame pkers, we are not like archers that get super gimped endgame unless we cashshop so much.

Learn how to play and you will be just fine, LA isnt as bad as you think b:chuckle

Eragon - Harshlands

Enter; DeityOfRain
lvl 101 sin
Hes HA
5 attack per second
Try to 1v1 him. Ill give you 2-3 seconds

kotarofuuma

sins dont need to be HA for PVE.. u have the skill called focused mind, genie and damage reduction apo pots are ur friends.. i was bm player before i switched to assassin, and aoe-ing is something i kinda got used to do.. and for my sin aoe-ing 5-10 phys quest mobs ain't a big deal... in LA.. and soloing some bhs (fushma / stygean) isnt that hard either.. even at lvl 89 i tanked solo lunar single mode.. its just a matter of when to use CoD and not to...