Need your views on this

Sezan - Harshlands

Hey all.

So I recently got back to PvP after FC'ing like mad over the past few weeks.
I went out pking and noticed some problems when fighting Tideborns.

When fighting a Psychic my nix decides to kill itself, I mean.. seriously not even a r8 wizard has an easy task of killing a nix but when fighting a Psychic its like an instant kill - bug or not I dunno. My problem with Assassins is that my charm didn't even get a chance to tick.
They dont even have sage/demon skills yet
I have 7k hp + 3.5k p defence ~ unbuffed.

This is not intended to be a spam-tastic post, I just want everyones views on this.

Useful post below

Astoru - Heavens Tear

Most venos don't like to admit it, but they rely HEAVILY on the pet, like common sense would normally tell you. Veno skills don't hit near as hard as Cleric or Wizard skills, so it's natural that the pet would have to play a factor into their DPS for them to be worth something.

If the OP is correct and the nix will pretty much always oneshot itself on psychics....well, I guess Venos should avoid psychics for now, lol. If this really is a bug that needs to be fixed (Even if it is, IF it gets fixed)

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Soulburn allows for an effect previously deemed overpowered by the game's developers themselves (Bramble Hood's nerf). As this balance issue remains to be addressed, use of this skill does provide an unfair advantage.

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No useless spam or flaming this time please guys.

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary

Perhaps the psychic soulburned your nix.

Soulburn- Every time the target attacks, it takes damage equals to your Soulforce.
Lasts for 8 secs at level 10.
cooldown 30 secs

Meaning if the psychic soulburns you or your pet, it's to kite (you and your pet), will this is on you, then attack back.

That's my take on it.

Sezan - Harshlands

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »

Perhaps the psychic soulburned your nix.

Soulburn- Every time the target attacks, it takes damage equals to your Soulforce.
Lasts for 8 secs at level 10.
cooldown 30 secs

Meaning if the psychic soulburns you or your pet, it's to kite (you and your pet), will this is on you, then attack back.

That's my take on it.

Problem is I didnt even see what happened to nix, it just died.
Someone else says stun the psychic then attack or something, but the only stuns we have are Lucky Scarab and Parastic Nova "2sparks".

This means everytime I go out to PvP I need to put nix on manual which is going to be a pain, and wasing 2sparks to cast a seal/stun with a 67% chance.

This thing shouldn't work on nixes, I see this being very costly in the future -_- lol

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary

Sezan - Harshlands wrote: »

Problem is I didnt even see what happened to nix, it just died.
Someone else says stun the psychic then attack or something, but the only stuns we have are Lucky Scarab and Parastic Nova "2sparks".

This means everytime I go out to PvP I need to put nix on manual which is going to be a pain, and wasing 2sparks to cast a seal/stun with a 67% chance.

This thing shouldn't work on nixes, I see this being very costly in the future -_- lol

Then yea, it probably was soulburned. How much HP does your nix have?

Sezan - Harshlands

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »

Then yea, it probably was soulburned. How much HP does your nix have?

My nix has 4918 hp but it died instantly b:sad

ExtraTwisted - Dreamweaver

Sezan - Harshlands wrote: »

My nix has 4918 hp but it died instantly b:sad

I didn't know about this, and I definitely don't like where this is going lol b:surrender

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Yes, Tideborns are unbalanced. Not because you can't beat them however, so i think you may want to rephrase your point...

Sezan - Harshlands

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, Tideborns are unbalanced. Not because you can't beat them however, so i think you may want to rephrase your point...

Rephrase it for me if im missing the point please.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Soulburn allows for an effect previously deemed overpowered by the game's developers themselves (Bramble Hood's nerf). As this balance issue remains to be addressed, use of this skill does provide an unfair advantage.

Sadly Psychs are not really the issue, it's Sins that have been provided with game breaking mechanics...

Sezan - Harshlands

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Soulburn allows for an effect previously deemed overpowered by the game's developers themselves (Bramble Hood's nerf). As this balance issue remains to be addressed, use of this skill does provide an unfair advantage.

Sadly Psychs are not really the issue, it's Sins that have been provided with game breaking mechanics...

ty I'll add that into my first post b:victory

had to go get ready to go to the shop b:chuckle

I be back soon guys, keep the posts coming b:victory

MANray_ - Sanctuary

If you really want to discuss this then leave the nix bit out. Most of the playerbase considers the nix itself overpowered, and any argument made on behalf of it will receive little sympathy.

Sezan - Harshlands

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you really want to discuss this then leave the nix bit out. Most of the playerbase considers the nix itself overpowered, and any argument made on behalf of it will receive little sympathy.

The nix has to be in it, thats the problem im having, the soulburn doesnt affect me as much as it affects my nix lol

Plus nix isnt overpowered, people must see that by now.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

Plus nix isnt overpowered, people must see that by now.

but flesh ream is, who cares?

every class has a weakness, congratulations on finding yours. i find both tideborn classes to be a joke to kill. you find one guy who has a hard timekilling one and he cries bloody overpowered, then people read it, and start to believe the same thing with just mindless situational metagame/effects on paper. rumors spread like wildfire, theyre not over powered, just one stupid shepard and his following sheep do too.


what you need to do is discuss viable strategies to defend against it, not whine and complain because you dont comprehend how to beat your target yet.

Sezan - Harshlands

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

but flesh ream is, who cares?

every class has a weakness, congratulations on finding yours. i find both tideborn classes to be a joke to kill. you find one guy who has a hard timekilling one and he cries bloody overpowered, then people read it, and start to believe the same thing with just mindless situational metagame/effects on paper. rumors spread like wildfire, theyre not over powered, just one stupid shepard and his following sheep do too.


what you need to do is discuss viable strategies to defend against it, not whine and complain because you dont comprehend how to beat your target yet.

Flesh ream isnt an instant kill.
Oh and anyone thats heard of blood clot will use it,
I aint following anyone, I was fighting a level 93 psychic.

If my nix was directly targeted by normal players I could heal it ~ true it will some times die but this is not always the case, the future ~ psychics 1shotting nixes?

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

did you check if their reflects are purgable?

flesh ream hits me for 1000+ a hit if im an unsuspecting victim to a stun lock. it doesnt suffer pvp reductions, so QQ more, seriously.

Sezan - Harshlands

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

did you check if their reflects are purgable?

flesh ream hits me for 1000+ a hit if im an unsuspecting victim to a stun lock. it doesnt suffer pvp reductions, so QQ more, seriously.

Stunlock? you've been ganked, get used to it.
Blood Clot - 10seconds it lasts im sure, either use that or use Cauterize.
Purge? as far as I noticed none of them went away.

Maiira - Sanctuary

purge is innefective against most assasin and psychic self buffs ive been testing them in duels with friends of mine and only 1 or 2 of their buff icons went away, and the flesh ream is mainly effective against arcane classes, and sometimes light, if you take it against a heavy it does low damage, anyways this isnt a QQ topic on people thinking venos are OP'd so quit -censored- changing the topic. its a discussion in the venomancer forums about dealing with the new tideborn classes and how some1's nix was 1shot. happened to me as well but the psychic was 11 levels higher and had high refines (for psychic soulforce increases greatly if you have higher refines on gear)

Sezan - Harshlands

Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »

purge is innefective against most assasin and psychic self buffs ive been testing them in duels with friends of mine and only 1 or 2 of their buff icons went away, and the flesh ream is mainly effective against arcane classes, and sometimes light, if you take it against a heavy it does low damage, anyways this isnt a QQ topic on people thinking venos are OP'd so quit -censored- changing the topic. its a discussion in the venomancer forums about dealing with the new tideborn classes and how some1's nix was 1shot. happened to me as well but the psychic was 11 levels higher and had high refines (for psychic soulforce increases greatly if you have higher refines on gear)

Thanks for your post, I wonder why purge isn't working? lol
Yes flesh ream is effective but I aint the only person with a nix? which people tend to think lol.
Anyway lets stay on topic b:shutup

Maiira - Sanctuary

as for dealing with geting 1-2 shot by assasins, set your pet to defend and use flesh ream as the auto attack so if a sin tries to sneak attack you your pet automatically attacks him, and build your genie to have high vit and get absolute domain and tree of protection or second wind when he goes pop and tries to hit you use absolute domain, when its maxed you become invulnerable to damage for 4 seconds then right as its about to end be ready to use second wind or tree of protection and have the pet use pierce that should greatly widen the window of being 1shot, its fun watching a sin try to use head hunt on me while im stunned for 12 seconds and all he sees is "resist" "resist" "resist" then i start healing while stunned. every advantage a character has has some form of counter as Sezan also pointed out with combatting fleshream. alot of becoming good at pvp is from experience. find a friend who has what your trying to combat against and duel them over and over trying different things. ive learned anti-sin techniques because i have 4 assasin friends close to my level that i duelled almost every day for weeks, all had different techniques and different ranges of gear. make some friends in game who are good at pvp and see if they will teach you stuff. also read the guides for the other classes even the ones you dont play cause they have tips for combatting other classes and you can figure out how to best counter their advantages. though i only have 60 or so posts ive read most of the threads on the forums for class discussion and pvp. spend some time out of game and read alot, spend some time in game with friends who will let you try things on them. b:victory

Sezan - Harshlands

Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »

as for dealing with geting 1-2 shot by assasins, set your pet to defend and use flesh ream as the auto attack so if a sin tries to sneak attack you your pet automatically attacks him, and build your genie to have high vit and get absolute domain and tree of protection or second wind when he goes pop and tries to hit you use absolute domain, when its maxed you become invulnerable to damage for 4 seconds then right as its about to end be ready to use second wind or tree of protection and have the pet use pierce that should greatly widen the window of being 1shot, its fun watching a sin try to use head hunt on me while im stunned for 12 seconds and all he sees is "resist" "resist" "resist" then i start healing while stunned. every advantage a character has has some form of counter as Sezan also pointed out with combatting fleshream. alot of becoming good at pvp is from experience. find a friend who has what your trying to combat against and duel them over and over trying different things. ive learned anti-sin techniques because i have 4 assasin friends close to my level that i duelled almost every day for weeks, all had different techniques and different ranges of gear. make some friends in game who are good at pvp and see if they will teach you stuff. also read the guides for the other classes even the ones you dont play cause they have tips for combatting other classes and you can figure out how to best counter their advantages. though i only have 60 or so posts ive read most of the threads on the forums for class discussion and pvp. spend some time out of game and read alot, spend some time in game with friends who will let you try things on them. b:victory

Wow alot of text lol, hurt my eyes trying to read it.
I PvP'd on my other account daily, I'm decent at PvP.
The problem with assasin is that my charmed didnt tick at all, he took quite long to kill me but I couldn't move or do anything lol.
I have 9k hp buffed and alot of p defence.
I can only imagine what they will be like with demon/sage skills and it isn't looking very good lol.
Although im more annoyed at the nix being 1hit.