Whats best for a Veno At 9x?

Mooxie - Lost City
Mooxie - Lost City Posts: 26 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Venomancer
Me and a friend of mine, SneekyFox , are trying to figure out what is best for a level 9x veno. Either HA, LA or Arcane. Which one should she go? And what are the benefits of each one? Since we can't seem to decide what is best please share your opinion b:thanks
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    highest defense: HA
    highest m.atk: pure mag arcane
    highest crit: LA
    most well rounded build (for most situations has best def, mdef, hp, m.atk of defensive builds): vit arcane

    id suggest for the most well rounded build would be to go vit arcane 7 mage 2 vit 1 str every two levels
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  • Naughty - Harshlands
    Naughty - Harshlands Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Making a good heavy build can be costly as you will need a good tomb ,rings and cape to give you extra points. And you will need to refine for HP .

    Also there is a heavy hybrid build in which you use HP helm , heavy chest , heavy legging , Arcane boots and arcane wrists. Thats more balanced than a full heavy build.

    In my server most 9x veno including myself are vitality arcane having minimum magic and strength and pushing all extra points into vitality. Garnet shards in armor from phy def.

    I have seen most LA veno reset at 9x .There are very few 9x LA venos in harshlands

    As for pure arcane they die too fast in pvp and tw.

    The 2 best builds in my opinion are heavy hybrid and vitality arcane for a pvp and tw.
  • Serinregis - Lost City
    Serinregis - Lost City Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Naughty - Harshlands wrote: »
    Making a good heavy build can be costly as you will need a good tomb ,rings and cape to give you extra points. And you will need to refine for HP .

    Also there is a heavy hybrid build in which you use HP helm , heavy chest , heavy legging , Arcane boots and arcane wrists. Thats more balanced than a full heavy build.

    In my server most 9x veno including myself are vitality arcane having minimum magic and strength and pushing all extra points into vitality. Garnet shards in armor from phy def.

    I have seen most LA veno reset at 9x .There are very few 9x LA venos in harshlands

    As for pure arcane they die too fast in pvp and tw.

    The 2 best builds in my opinion are heavy hybrid and vitality arcane for a pvp and tw.

    Agreed, but I would still willingly sacrifice the money for HA since TT90 HA looks sexy b:dirty.
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  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Serinregis - Lost City wrote: »
    Agreed, but I would still willingly sacrifice the money for HA since TT90 HA looks sexy b:dirty.

    LOL that's what im doing, but how about sacrificing more money for that shiney TT99 HA set.... because well, it's just so.... shiney b:pleased

    Oh wait, nvm... forget the TT99 set, if your going soly for looks get the OHT set instead. it's blue... and SHINEY b:laugh
    >.<
  • Serinregis - Lost City
    Serinregis - Lost City Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LOL that's what im doing, but how about sacrificing more money for that shiney TT99 HA set.... because well, it's just so.... shiney b:pleased

    Oh wait, nvm... forget the TT99 set, if your going soly for looks get the OHT set instead. it's blue... and SHINEY b:laugh

    b:laugh i dunno about the TT99 set, haven't seen it on a veno (since all of them like spending time in fash clothes rather than in armor b:cry).
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    highest defense: HA
    highest m.atk: pure mag arcane
    highest crit: LA
    most well rounded build (for most situations has best def, mdef, hp, m.atk of defensive builds): vit arcane

    id suggest for the most well rounded build would be to go vit arcane 7 mage 2 vit 1 str every two levels

    For pvp: maybe. For PvE: we're not a tank class and get crappy yield on vit.
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  • Serinregis - Lost City
    Serinregis - Lost City Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    For pvp: maybe. For PvE: we're not a tank class and get crappy yield on vit.

    I agree that venos have a super crappy hp gain with vit, but when massed (i.e 100 vit or more like some venos do), the 1.x k hp can make a difference, helps survive a few more aoe hits in case of some cleric disaster o_o
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  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Serinregis - Lost City wrote: »
    b:laugh i dunno about the TT99 set, haven't seen it on a veno (since all of them like spending time in fash clothes rather than in armor b:cry).

    I know of one veno on HT that has the TT99 HA top and leggings, never seen screenies of it, but indeed the HA 90 set looks smexy on venos. Im just going based on what i saw on ecatomb screenies.
    >.<
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    12 hp per vit isnt that bad, if we followed your same concept, no class would ever get vit outside barbarians. BMs get 15 per, archer gets 13, the gap isnt that huge between classes.
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  • Gasoline - Lost City
    Gasoline - Lost City Posts: 304 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    All builds can work pretty good for a veno. But it really depends on your budget lol

    Best for veno is arcane with points into vit, but it kinda requires pretty good refines on gear and neck/belt and high grade shards or you will just get 1 shoot in pvp. Its the best build for a rich veno. Than you can get decent phy def, decent hp, high mag def and mag attack.

    Heavy/arcane mix gives good phy def/mag def without having to get cube necks and warsong belts etc. Its far cheaper to pull since you wont need crazy refines to stay alive in pvp. But you will have lower dmg of course with minimum magic, also far lower crit than LA veno. Also need better refines than LA veno since you wont have any spare stat point to put into vit. It will allow you how ever to use belt + neck with channeling tho. Arcane needs phy def belt/neck so cant use channeling gear in any form of pvp (just rings).

    LA is decent if you have minimum magic and most spare points in vit. You have decent hp but pretty low defenses compared to HA/Arcane. Alltho you get a nice crit boost and can also use at least 1 piece of channeling neck/belt.

    I gained about (unbuffed) 2k phy def and 1.5k mag def when i restated from LA to heavy at 95. I did how ever loose about 4-6% crit. Hp was about the same and mag attack to.
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    an idea of the HA/AA hybrid build in HA top and leggings and AA boots and sleeves, that I'd like to have at lvl 99 http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ce4cae2d598640de

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ec30488fb3d04eb1

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5bb1c9eced275492



    same build, 3 different weps cause idk what to choose >.>
    >.<
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »
    an idea of the HA/AA hybrid build in HA top and leggings and AA boots and sleeves, that I'd like to have at lvl 99 http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ce4cae2d598640de

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ec30488fb3d04eb1

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5bb1c9eced275492



    same build, 3 different weps cause idk what to choose >.>
    considering your first build, why dont you go arcane with similar items
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7c86f35bae548809
    or even cheaper cape (mold) and TT99 boots. 4x archangel items gives you some vit but no event cape so hp isnt much
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=33ea446a8a459b98

    as for weapon, NP is better than the others 2
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    considering your first build, why dont you go arcane with similar items
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7c86f35bae548809
    or even cheaper cape (mold) and TT99 boots. 4x archangel items gives you some vit but no event cape so hp isnt much
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=33ea446a8a459b98

    as for weapon, NP is better than the others 2

    note HA/AA build, I do like the vit-arcane build, but it's not my playing style. I like to spend alot of time in foxform, and i can't imagine a vit arcane with a base dex of 5 doing this. its about versatility for me.

    EDIT: I 'll probably never have an event helmet, 2 event rings, or that tome, that was just a fantasy build for me. As for weps, I prefer magic swords and glaives. I agree NP has better stats, but it's a wand, not a sword or glaive, which have better physical attacks, but i can guarantee you, if NP was a magic sword, id snatch it up in a heart beat.
    >.<
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    then none of those weapons are for you. go with Buddha's Leaf, thats the best you can get as a sword and same price like NP. the difference in dex is like 21 (AA) vs 56 (HA) which are both low. only LA get decent dex.

    about items for HA/AA build, some good items are farmable but you probably end up with alot of time lost while time gives you money to buy event items if you continuosly farm.
    as rings, Seal of Eternal Solitude from City of Abominations (http://www.pwdatabase.com/items/12264) are probably better and cheaper for HA. for belt, Paradise Sachet is a lvl 95 gold belt as a reward from past maps. as a helm, you can get 3 star lvl 81 or 91 helm with good stats or HP

    and finally, probably alot cheaper than your first try of HA/AA and almost there as stats
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f18eac8e0554fa2f
    uh forgot 4 lvls but nvm
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    then none of those weapons are for you. go with Buddha's Leaf, thats the best you can get as a sword and same price like NP. the difference in dex is like 21 (AA) vs 56 (HA) which are both low. only LA get decent dex.

    about items for HA/AA build, some good items are farmable but you probably end up with alot of time lost while time gives you money to buy event items if you continuosly farm.
    as rings, Seal of Eternal Solitude from City of Abominations (http://www.pwdatabase.com/items/12264) are probably better and cheaper for HA. for belt, Paradise Sachet is a lvl 95 gold belt as a reward from past maps. as a helm, you can get 3 star lvl 81 or 91 helm with good stats or HP

    and finally, probably alot cheaper than your first try of HA/AA and almost there as stats
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f18eac8e0554fa2f
    uh forgot 4 lvls but nvm

    Another thing about weps is the reason i was considering Fate Denial was for the added vit and magic, plus its got -6% channeling, So, in my HA armor, I could have -6% on my wep, 6% on the oracle selfs, and i found a lvl 94 dream of reality ring in the AH with -3% channeling and +6str +4dex. Im not sure if i want to get the oracle boots or not, the reason i was considering it was so i could get that +10 magic bonus, but if i can get lucky and get my hands on some heavenrage boots, then i wont have to worry about that.

    This is what i've collected for 90 so far
    -requim blade + 5 w/ 1 perfect sapphire (still a mold hasnt been made yet)
    -sky demon's pearl +8 str
    -mogwai belt (haven't done this quest yet)
    -demon panther ring (+4 str +4 dex +5 magic
    -demon heart (+7 magic)
    -cape of chromacy (+ 5 str, with 3 sockets)
    -level 81 3*** helmet (+6 str, phys resist +191, refine +3 w/ 3 beautiful citrines
    -lvl 2 tome meditation's flame (+10 magic)

    Still need to get
    -HH80 HA wrists
    -make TT90 HA top, pants, boots.
    -HH90 cape (or i might get an event cape)
    -farm arcane set.

    I'm hoping everything has 3 sockets, I'm going to refine the armor to +3 and put 3 flawless citrines in everything (except cape and helmet, got beautifuls in those)

    But, yea about the wep i want after requim blade im just stuck on that.

    EDIT: Ive noticed that Aquadash and Godspeed refine about the same. Aquadash appears to have a lil more magic attack, but with godspeed having -6% channeling over aquadash's 3% would this mean that godspeed actually does more damage?
    >.<
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    aquadash start to be better than godspeed in damage at +10 or higher. well, godspeed has a nice vit and a little more -channeling that can always help your pet heal and magic damage. aquadash can be sold, godspeed is bounded but can also be upgraded to nirvana. if you are about to buy a FC gold weapon, better save coins for a lunar weapons. those are better and can be sold or upgraded

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