80-95 weapon path; opinions?

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

Ok, so my original plan was this:

TT 80 gold wand
89 mold wep
Lunar 95 gold wep

But, looking through the AH, I notice that green FC weapons can be quite cheap. Now I'm considering:

TT 80 green wep/79 mold wep
FC 85 green wep
Lunar 95 gold wep

OR

TT 70 wand (my current one, +4'd with flawless sapphire)
FC 85 green wep
Lunar 95 gold wep

Now I'm hopelessly torn. Opinions?

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

sure, we have all weapon stats memorized..

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

Right. Editing >.<
EDIT: Edited

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Yes i have memorized it all lol(not exactly but roughly what is equivalent to what). Green FC is comparable to tt90s damage but refines for much lower damage. I think any of those 3 paths is fine. I am personally doing your first path.

But this also depends on how far away are you from your lunar weapon(financially) and how much do you want to refine your weapons.

For more refines, don't go for green fc. Also, TT80 gold wand is not resell-able so that's another point to consider.

Also, how fast you are levelling.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

you could do it alone in pwcalc but -ehhh- maybe Lylfo will learn something (*waves and sends some love rofl*)
this is how your hipotetical base magic attack will change (all weapons are unrefined)
85lvl 50vit cler with mold gear and 77 mag att rings

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I
GOLD 80 Wand 5300-6000 (+ 130hp)
mold 89 5300-6200 (+110hp +11dex)

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II
green yaksa 80 5000-5800 ( + 215 p.def [300] +1% crit)
OR glave 79 4500-6600

FC 85 5200-7000

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III
green 70 wand 5150-5200 (unrefined too!)
FC 85 5200-7000

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I path - worst option; getting gold is pain, and then u cant sell it.
later, switching to 89 blade is pure stupidity since mag attack almost wont change (ofc +1lvl weapon will refine better - but bonus isnt too big on low refine)

II - imo best option (edit: if getting 80 gold wont be cheaper for him already)
yaksa will give fair mag att stat and some pdef; then FC green gives enough nice boost to switch to it

III - cheapass solution but not stupid imo. it s obvious that u will lose some mag power but not so much thx to double mag bonus in wand.
but to be fair here (just dont wanna see 90lvl clers with 70lvl wands): difference between mag attack of 70 wand and 80 yaksa will increase with higher lvl (more mag points, better rings and better ref). if on 80lvl diff was 600 in max mag att, then on 90lvl can change to f.e. 800-900



EDIT: same gear but cleric with 5vit and weapons refined 'for free' to +3 (no ref stones) + flawless

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I
GOLD 80 Wand 6300-7000 (+ 130hp)
mold 89 6300-7300 (+110hp +11dex)

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II
green yaksa 80 5900-6750 ( + 215 p.def [300] +1% crit)
OR glave 79 5300-7600

FC 85 6100-8100

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III
green 70 wand 6100-6200 (ref +4 +flawless)
FC 85 6100-8100

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bigger numbers to be bit more realistic. not much in proportion changed tho

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Well that is interesting. I suppose you used Aquaride as your FC weapon. And Yaksa as your green tt80.

What I would like to comment on is the cost of getting a Yaksa might be almost equivalent to making a Gold tt80 wand now(since he has a TT70 wand) but he may get around it by trading or selling and buying. If he is farming TT for it, it might take some time too. So I would suggest going for path no. 3 since its the cheapest and still be decent at 80+.

Other than that, its nice to know that I am going on a fail path. xD. Not going to change my mind tho. Requiem blade is easy to buy, easy to sell. And the yellow glow looks much better than the green glow IMO.

Also, hp is more valuable to a cleric before level 90 especially if you don't pvp.

(PS you might want to check on your Requiem Blade's data, something is definitely wrong there)

Edit: Go with 3rd choice. A +4 tt70 is almost equal or better than a clean tt80. Unless you are comfortable with spending more for a little more mag atk for about 10-15 levels.

Edit2 : Played around with the calculator and the sword doesn't really improve mag atk by much. Looks like my TT80 will last me till lvl 95 seeing how TT90 swords arent that great either for the amount of work i need to put in to get them. Only the TT90 glaives are worth switching to. And thats with the cost of lower hp and/or def.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well that is interesting. I suppose you used Aquaride as your FC weapon. And Yaksa as your green tt80.

no i didnt use Yaksa or Aquaride ever - so im not fanboy of those

i was using mold 79 glavie to discover it s bit fail weapon coz of 'max mag attack' bonus
then i used Wheel of Life 80 green and now 90 green wheel

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What I would like to comment on is the cost of getting a Yaksa might be almost equivalent to making a Gold tt80 wand now(since he has a TT70 wand) but he may get around it by trading or selling and buying. If he is farming TT for it, it might take some time too. So I would suggest going for path no. 3 since its the cheapest and still be decent at 80+.

true: up to him if he choose gold wand or green yaksa (prolly what he will find cheaper)

and staying with 70 wand is not-so-bad option if gonna get 85 green soon.
tho i have to stress again that he will lose some power - 600-800 in base attack makes some difference

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Other than that, its nice to know that I am going on a fail path. xD. Not going to change my mind tho. Requiem blade is easy to buy, easy to sell. And the yellow glow looks much better than the green glow IMO.

Requiem blade isnt fail weapon. Just switching from gold wand to it is fail idea xD
Just real cheap price of 89 mold can save it. But if u put in wand anything better than flawless and ref >+3 then i suggest to reconsider it again lol

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

(PS you might want to check on your Requiem Blade's data, something is definitely wrong there)

i just turned 11 vit into 110hp

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Edit: Go with 3rd choice. A +4 tt70 is almost equal or better than a clean tt80. Unless you are comfortable with spending more for a little more mag atk for about 10-15 levels.

well, he gonna ref it too.. i think i ll add refined stats to compare

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Edit2 : Played around with the calculator and the sword doesn't really improve mag atk by much. Looks like my TT80 will last me till lvl 95 seeing how TT90 swords arent that great either for the amount of work i need to put in to get them. Only the TT90 glaives are worth switching to. And thats with the cost of lower hp and/or def.

yep ,if you looking for biggest mag boosts then always use weapons with double mag bonus (tho avoid 'max mag attack' in glavies and swords)
changing weapon with double mag bonus to +1lvl weapon without bonuses may give disapointing results

Ahira - Lost City

If I were leveling my cleric again i would use lvl79 mold weapon then lvl89 mold weapon- less money/hassle, and then rush 95.b:mischievous

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

@Ahira It might be the cheapest if he had not already invested in a TT70 wand. One of the mold 79 glaive costs about 1.5mil in my server so it might not that cost effective for him.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

no i didnt use Yaksa or Aquaride ever - so im not fanboy of those

i was using mold 79 glaive to discover it s bit fail weapon coz of 'max mag attack' bonus
then i used Wheel of Life 80 green and now 90 green wheel

I am talking about the weapons used in calculations. You mentioned Yaksa but you did not say which green FC85 you used in your calculation.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

true: up to him if he choose gold wand or green yaksa (prolly what he will find cheaper)

and staying with 70 wand is not-so-bad option if gonna get 85 green soon.
tho i have to stress again that he will lose some power - 600-800 in base attack makes some difference

Depends on how fast he is levelling and how much he is refining the temporary weapon(mold79,TT80 or FC85), the difference might not be that much.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

well, he gonna ref it too.. i think i ll add refined stats to compare


yep ,if you looking for biggest mag boosts then always use weapons with double mag bonus (tho avoid 'max mag attack' in glavies and swords)
changing weapon with double mag bonus to +1lvl weapon without bonuses may give disapointing results

And Paramedic, let him play around with the calculator himself lol. Its the more effective ways since if you try to present what you find, it might seem a little biased. Let him play around with it.

Keep in mind that he is asking in a cleric section so I suppose there is the survivalbility>mag atk argument as well. I suppose he needs to decide himself what he wants to do with his cleric.

The weapon choice is also highly dependent on his stats build. A vit cleric might go for more magic attack while a pure mag cleric might choose to go for more HP/Def. An LA cleric might try to stack more critical %. In that case, the TT80 weapons allow some flexibility in choosing because they have different types of add ons.

However, my conclusion is still is tt70->green fc->lunar. TT70 will be enough for cleric to do his job while he gets to lvl 85 and this path is cost efficient.

Tryagain - Harshlands

HH80 Wheel
HH90 Wheel
Neon - Lunar

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am talking about the weapons used in calculations. You mentioned Yaksa but you did not say which green FC85 you used in your calculation.

oh sry rofl- i was talknig bout green FC wheel ofc

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

However, my conclusion is still is tt70->green fc->lunar. TT70 will be enough for cleric to do his job while he gets to lvl 85 and this path is cost efficient.

yea, it seems not bad solution in his case if he wanna save some money


btw, if i wud like to bias i would write:

Tryagain - Harshlands wrote: »

HH80 Wheel
HH90 Wheel
Neon - Lunar

^this, since 100-130 HP in weapon cant be serious factor in toon survivality, and you just lose healing power.
but it s personal biased opinion b:quiet

Magicgabe - Lost City

how are people getting these "easy" and "cheap" fc weapons. It seams to me that they cost at least 10mil coin. They seem to be better than TT90 weapons but how, how, how, are people getting them for "cheap".

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »

how are people getting these "easy" and "cheap" fc weapons. It seams to me that they cost at least 10mil coin. They seem to be better than TT90 weapons but how, how, how, are people getting them for "cheap".

In dreamweaver , I've gotten an Emerald for 1.5mil before. Also, Aquaride is normally about 4-5mil in my server. This is cheap as compared to 20-40mil for an Aquadash I suppose. (Wraith conqueror is like 20mil+ usually). The wheel of life costs about 3-4mil to make in DW and wheel of denied fate costs about 2-3 mil more after making wheel of life.

Keep in mind that there are 2 kinds of FC weapon, gold and green. Green is usually cheaper and no, they are not better than the TT90s. I would say green FC weapons are slightly worse than the TT90s and gold FC are slightly better than TT90s. (About the same mag atk, the only real difference are the add ons and the weapon level which determines the effect of refining).

And Para, you can choose to be biased. He is asking for our opinions after all(didn't see that just now).

Magicgabe - Lost City

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

In dreamweaver , I've gotten an Emerald for 1.5mil before. Also, Aquaride is normally about 4-5mil in my server. This is cheap as compared to 20-40mil for an Aquadash I suppose. (Wraith conqueror is like 20mil+ usually). The wheel of life costs about 3-4mil to make in DW and wheel of denied fate costs about 2-3 mil more after making wheel of life.

Keep in mind that there are 2 kinds of FC weapon, gold and green. Green is usually cheaper and no, they are not better than the TT90s. I would say green FC weapons are slightly worse than the TT90s and gold FC are slightly better than TT90s. (About the same mag atk, the only real difference are the add ons and the weapon level which determines the effect of refining).

And Para, you can choose to be biased. He is asking for our opinions after all(didn't see that just now).

I was talking about gold fc glaive.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

We are not.

Ahira - Lost City

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@Ahira It might be the cheapest if he had not already invested in a TT70 wand. One of the mold 79 glaive costs about 1.5mil in my server so it might not that cost effective for him.

Doesnt make much difference- he can sell the TT70 when he's 79. He's going to get rid of it whichever path he takes anyway.

Still think its silly to "invest" in lower level gear. Get the cheapest/decent gear (weapon/armor/accessories), use average shards and rush high levels. You can start investing once you're there. b:chuckle

Nieka - Harshlands

the main thing you need to look at when deciding on weapons in the higher lvls is how long it is going to take to get to the next weapon. if your going to lvl fast i would go with tt80 gold 89 mold then lunar. green fc isnt good enough to buy in my opinion and it cost around the same as the 89 mold. the lunar weapon will cost you anywhere between 50 and 75mil now depending on server and if it were me i would go with buddas leaf because i wand more hp and phys def and the mag att isnt all that diff from the other lunar weapons.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

you should read whole discusion before posting b:surrender