Why am I so damn POOR?

TurboWolf - Harshlands

And by poor, I mean having 62 coins at lvl77.

I play like 2 hors daily, in my opinion that shouldn't be too much nor too little, but I spend most the time grinding for DQ, so I can buy those damn expensive skills!

I do like 3 BHs per week, because if I do more, I'll just be higher level with tons of spirit and no coin to get the skills...

To top level players: Do you get more income or will I always be poor?

To fully geared players: Where the poopies do you get the coins from?

And why do I see lvl90 assassins around if I've been playing since summer? D=

Tonttuu - Heavens Tear

TurboWolf - Harshlands wrote: »

And by poor, I mean having 62 coins at lvl77.

I play like 2 hors daily, in my opinion that shouldn't be too much nor too little, but I spend most the time grinding for DQ, so I can buy those damn expensive skills!

I do like 3 BHs per week, because if I do more, I'll just be higher level with tons of spirit and no coin to get the skills...

To top level players: Do you get more income or will I always be poor?

To fully geared players: Where the poopies do you get the coins from?

And why do I see lvl90 assassins around if I've been playing since summer? D=

make da veno get herc and be happy ^^

Roseddesor - Heavens Tear

TurboWolf - Harshlands wrote: »

And by poor, I mean having 62 coins at lvl77.

I play like 2 hors daily, in my opinion that shouldn't be too much nor too little, but I spend most the time grinding for DQ, so I can buy those damn expensive skills!

I do like 3 BHs per week, because if I do more, I'll just be higher level with tons of spirit and no coin to get the skills...

To top level players: Do you get more income or will I always be poor?

To fully geared players: Where the poopies do you get the coins from?

And why do I see lvl90 assassins around if I've been playing since summer? D=

Well first off your a Cleric and that drains coins like no other, also in PWI you gotta squad rare drop runs and solo farm sometimes. PWI to make money (assuming your not cash shopping at all) you really have to make most of your time. If your a social person I'd say cash shop as much as you can lol

Elviron - Dreamweaver

I dont know much about a cleric's expenditure but I can tell you this. Choose a good mob to grind and not simply something you find. Usually mobs which are 2~3 levels lower than you are easy kills and do drop DQs which can be sold. This way you minimize on the potions used.

Also it might help to completely stop BHs till you have substancial funds for the "necessary" skills and equips of your class. You can work on other skills later on.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Sell the DQ items, don't do the DQ's.

DQ items than you can NPC is your main income of coins from grinding (up to 100k in an hour is easy).

Those 90+ sins are cash shoppers who used oracles. In Dreamweaver there is one 100+ with full rank8 and nirvada gear.

Do TT's and sell the mats. As a cleric you get 2nd pick, which allows you get high valluable mats, it's a good way to get your money

Euphy - Dreamweaver

The recommendation to stop leveling and simply farm is actually a good one. As far as I see it my costs have risen with the value of the drops I get... the only way I really make money in-game is by selling materials for wines. 2x Drop helped me a lot... It think I made about 5 or 6 million grinding.

Clerics can also AoE grind with Ironheart 10 stacked on them and Razor Feather's 10 as your primary offensive spell. You have to fight magical monsters though, and even then it is somewhat risky. But, this means you get 6-10 opportunities for something to drop... its fun to pick up drops in a pile. It probably consumes more potions that simple 1v1 grinding, so if money is the focus that is a down side.

The level 90 assassins payed for their levels; not that this is a bad thing. But its a fact. All of the lv.90+ assassins I have talked to used oracles to reach a certain level and are now using Hyper Stones in Frostcover. Most people with godly gear have managed to obtain it through the cashshop or by selling gold. It just takes longer for us limit or non-cashshoppers.

Foxymage - Harshlands

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sell the DQ items, don't do the DQ's.

DQ items than you can NPC is your main income of coins from grinding (up to 100k in an hour is easy).

Those 90+ sins are cash shoppers who used oracles. In Dreamweaver there is one 100+ with full rank8 and nirvada gear.

Do TT's and sell the mats. As a cleric you get 2nd pick, which allows you get high valluable mats, it's a good way to get your money

not gonna say name but there is a 101 sin on harshlands

Sangodoc - Dreamweaver

Please see the Money making : How to do it. thread for tips on how to make and save money. Anything I said would just be a repeat of something said there.

TurboWolf - Harshlands

So pausing BH and grinding for DQ is the way? Just like I'm doing?
Damn slow to get money then b:surrender. Is it the same on higher levels?

As for selling TT... well, TT takes a lot of time and mana pots, so usually I end up spending more that what I get...

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Turbo you is a cleric
you get one of teh first picks in TT mats....
learn teh TT market (this part be the most important), run lots of TT runs, sell the mats.
also um....try to use the level 75 event pots....
you can buy them for like 1k each and they recover about 5k mp.
b:thanks

Roseddesor - Heavens Tear

TurboWolf - Harshlands wrote: »

So pausing BH and grinding for DQ is the way? Just like I'm doing?
Damn slow to get money then b:surrender. Is it the same on higher levels?

As for selling TT... well, TT takes a lot of time and mana pots, so usually I end up spending more that what I get...

Best thing you can do if your heart set on grinding is take some time to read your servers market well and see what you can collect around your level to spit out most profit. If you start at a point where you can go further with more understanding and logic usually that's the best outcome.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

learn teh TT market (this part be the most important), run lots of TT runs, sell the mats.

Yeah. Learn the market (not just TT, but as much as you can). I know many people don't like to do this, but with the vibrant player-trade market in this game, it's a requirement. If you don't learn the market, the market will punish you by making you poor. You have to learn it not just so you can make good deals, but so you don't get ripped off (or rip yourself off). Peruse through AH to get an idea how much the different TT mats sell for (keeping in mind that those mats which have been listed the longest probably have too-high prices).

A fringe benefit is that what you learn in the game about the market and setting/negotiating prices are applicable in real life.

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

I made an assassin, 15 mins of grind NPCing DQ and I made 170k. lvl 34

Technotic - Sanctuary

Join Nef on Sanc server so you can get a weekly income of a few million.

Alliptica - Raging Tide

well since you are a cleric, on your bh's you can make them wait for you while you fly. and often times clerics dont have to pay for the wine -_-

Camerlengo - Dreamweaver

Do your bh, but dump the EXP into your genie. It allowed me to get all my 49 skills and level up some good ones I'd been neglecting.

hallsvaporaction

TurboWolf - Harshlands wrote: »

So pausing BH and grinding for DQ is the way? Just like I'm doing?
Damn slow to get money then b:surrender. Is it the same on higher levels?

As for selling TT... well, TT takes a lot of time and mana pots, so usually I end up spending more that what I get...

The fastest way to make money is not grinding, but to buy and sell in the auction house/catshop markets, though you could be wrong and lose money. Farming mats is profitable but it's boring and you may get heavy competition from other farmers depending on your hours. The surest way is grinding, but that's slow. (You could check with Duke Blacke for a tip on the element of the day and hope for a better drop rate off mobs of that element. Water and air mobs can be killed faster.) TT only gets profitable at higher levels. TT1-1, 1-2, and 2-1 don't really turn much of a profit vs time put in. (Unless you can get into a pro-squad that do multiple runs in record time. Random squads often kill your time, exp and pot supply not to mention the runaway bankers.) TT1-3, 2-2 mat price isn't what it use to be anymore, but can still be profitable if you sale the mats and not keep them to make your gear. There is good money in higher TT runs, but those squads may not take you at your current level, especially when you don't have the coin to afford the up-to-date skills and gears.

If fast leveling isn't your priority and you don't like to play the market or don't find mat farming facinating, I would recommend starting a grinding toon. Make a full magic veno alt, take her to lvl33 update her pet heal, nuking spells, and stay there. DQ20 and DQ31 items are very popular in catshops, unlike most higher lvl DQ items. A Dull Claw, Honey Juice, or Element Fragment can fetch prices higher than DQ71, 81 drops. Create genies and dump the gained exp into them for high lucky point ones to sell. Forget 30/30, even a 25/30 LP genie will sell well. Unlike your cleric, your grinding veno doesn't need to rest to recover mp, has a very low repair bill, and requires no uber gear to grind efficiently. At lvl33 you can easily and efficiently solo FB19 instances for stamps, 3 stars, molds, even purified water. Kill regular mobs for DQ20, DQ31, rough fur, concentrated glue, purified oil, silk thread, and hay. Even the hundreds of HP and MP pots that your veno will never use can be sold. And dig those iron, steel, nectars and tuckahoes around where you are grinding. Find out the common price for your drops, then setup a shop overnight or post them to the auction house.

Assazou - Sanctuary

Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Join Nef on Sanc server so you can get a weekly income of a few million.

^This. b:chuckle

Technotic - Sanctuary

Anyone that plays Sanc knows its true XD

chelseacrafter

Everyone makes money then spends it. Write us back right before you spend your money! b:chuckle

If I save up 50 mil coins for a goldmane & then buy it ... am I now poor because I have zero coins?

Hmmmmmm.....

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Join Nef on Sanc server so you can get a weekly income of a few million.

Anyone that plays Sanc knows its true XD

Is it though? I mean, a few million a week doesn't seem like it would be a lot compared to some of the gear that I see Nef members wearing.

Probably it's better to be in Nef just to get Templar's hand-me-downs than it is to get the TW income. b:chuckle

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sell the DQ items, don't do the DQ's.

DQ items than you can NPC is your main income of coins from grinding (up to 100k in an hour is easy).

If your'e broke at 77, it's cause of this reason. NPC the DQ.