Which Tome?
Olba - Sanctuary
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No, not going to make this a topic about event tomes. Just the opposite.
Currently, I'm using a Christmas Tome on my Archer. That's a pretty self-explanatory thing, it gives a straight +1% crit.
However, looking at my own stats, I got to thinking about the other options. Of course, ideally and realistically, I would get a 20 dexterity tome and swap that for the Christmas Tome. However, that's still quite far into the future.
So, I was thinking about the other tomes. Since you get 1% crit every 20 points, if you get enough +dex to go over that limit with a tome, the effect is the same as wearing the Christmas Tome, plus you get the usual benefits of dexterity, mainly more damage.
On to the point: Should I try getting a +dexterity tome and use it instead of the Christmas Tome? If so, should I use it only when it gives me the same benefit as described in the previous paragraph, or should it be permanent? Also, assuming that we remain in the realistic field of Level 1-3 tomes, should I go for the dex/vit tomes or the dex tomes?
Also, I'm not asking this just because I'm not sure of it myself, but also because I haven't seen any discussion on it at all. Whenever I see people mention tomes, it's always the event tomes in discussions about DPS or APS.
Currently, I'm using a Christmas Tome on my Archer. That's a pretty self-explanatory thing, it gives a straight +1% crit.
However, looking at my own stats, I got to thinking about the other options. Of course, ideally and realistically, I would get a 20 dexterity tome and swap that for the Christmas Tome. However, that's still quite far into the future.
So, I was thinking about the other tomes. Since you get 1% crit every 20 points, if you get enough +dex to go over that limit with a tome, the effect is the same as wearing the Christmas Tome, plus you get the usual benefits of dexterity, mainly more damage.
On to the point: Should I try getting a +dexterity tome and use it instead of the Christmas Tome? If so, should I use it only when it gives me the same benefit as described in the previous paragraph, or should it be permanent? Also, assuming that we remain in the realistic field of Level 1-3 tomes, should I go for the dex/vit tomes or the dex tomes?
Also, I'm not asking this just because I'm not sure of it myself, but also because I haven't seen any discussion on it at all. Whenever I see people mention tomes, it's always the event tomes in discussions about DPS or APS.
If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Everyone wants to be different, but when you're different you wish you were normal.
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A +7 dex +6 vit tome will help you more than a +10 dex tome. The damage you recieve constantly from the +7 dex will give you more damage over time than boosting your crit from 20-21%. It also can boost your crit if its within 7 dex.[EvilMarlon - Sanctuary] It would be nice to be a male veno i tryed a veno and my dad saw me and he thought i was **** it took me a whole month for him to even talk to me again. <-- LMAO b:chuckle0
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I agree, having that much extra dex is better than just 1% crit difference. As an archer, you already have so much crits.
As for comparing the value of having a full dex tome versus a a dex and vit tome, it depends on what your goals are. If you are lacking alot of hp and do alot of PVE, than a the +7dex +6 vit would be good for you. I am assuming you are a pure dex build, so dealing damage isn't an issue for you, and you probably have to hold back your attacks often to prevent aggro steal when working in a squad. If you have alot of equipments on that gives you vit points, that can add up to being several hundreds hp resulting in higher survivability if you were to steal aggro from the tank on a boss, and will allow the cleric time to heal you, thus reducing your chance of death. So that extra +3 dex you won't get from not having the pure +10 dex tome don't matter much.
If you pk and do TW alot, then the pure dex tome would be the better choice, because the 6 vit isn't going to offer you that much help if you are being targeted by someone who can kill you in one or two hits. So it's better to maximize your damage as much as possible in this situation. Snipe to kill from afar before getting killed. The difference between pure dex tomes and the hybrid ones gets to be more significant for higher level tomes.
Level 3 tome: Dexterity +15 or Dexterity +9 Vitality +8
Level 4 tome: Dexterity +20 or Dexterity +13 Vitality +12
So if you are into PVP, considering a level 4 tome - would you rather have 144 more hp from the 12 vit, or get 7 more dex points using a pure dex tome when going up agaisnt a cleric/wizard who can do several thousand damage or can one shot kill you?0 -
Do not sacrifice critical. Use a dex tome until Voidlands/Pan Gu/Love Up and Down.0
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Love up and Down only cost a hundred+ mil. Not that much XD
Dex > Crit. Enough Dex adds to crit as well as boosts damage.Say my name 3 times, I dare you.
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Dex is only greater than critical when it gives you a critical. Which means it is less than critical.0
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Tomiko - Heavens Tear wrote: »Dex is only greater than critical when it gives you a critical. Which means it is less than critical.
Well, that was kinda my point. Getting a dex tome and using it whenever it gives me a crit, otherwise using the christmas tome.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »Well, that was kinda my point. Getting a dex tome and using it whenever it gives me a crit, otherwise using the christmas tome.
? That wasn't your point. That was your question, and I answered it.0 -
Tomiko - Heavens Tear wrote: »? That wasn't your point. That was your question, and I answered it.
But there is no such thing as a pointless question, is there?If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Tomiko - Heavens Tear wrote: »Dex is only greater than critical when it gives you a critical. Which means it is less than critical.
Dex = More damage, More accuracy, More Evasion, More Crit
Crit = More Crit
Dex > Crit
Using my ridiculous stats, lets go over Crit Vs. Dex
Someone with 100 Dex will do about 15 average damage with 6% crit using a lvl 1 bow. Someone with 100% crit and a lvl 1 bow will do 5 average damage(10 since every hit is a crit) So 100 Dex does 5 more damage than someone with 100% crit not yet including the 6 out of 100 crit shots. Dex > Crit
The only way Dex < Crit is possible is if you have an extremely high amount of Crit and a moderately high average hit to back it up. Thus why I have 42% Crit without any skills and I use a Slingshot that puts me at ~10k damage per hit.
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Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »Dex = More damage, More accuracy, More Evasion, More Crit
Crit = More Crit
Dex > Crit
Using my ridiculous stats, lets go over Crit Vs. Dex
Someone with 100 Dex will do about 15 average damage with 6% crit using a lvl 1 bow. Someone with 100% crit and a lvl 1 bow will do 5 average damage(10 since every hit is a crit) So 100 Dex does 5 more damage than someone with 100% crit not yet including the 6 out of 100 crit shots. Dex > Crit
The only way Dex < Crit is possible is if you have an extremely high amount of Crit and a moderately high average hit to back it up. Thus why I have 42% Crit without any skills and I use a Slingshot that puts me at ~10k damage per hit.
I have said if dex gives you critical it is greater than critical strike. Now assuming it *doesn't*, you have:
Damage: this is good of course, but < 20 dex in pvp doesn't amount to ~1-200 more dmg maybe, depending. A critical strike deals double damage and is required to effectively kill people.
Accuracy: < 20 dex = zzz
Evasion: < 20 dex = zzz
Techtonic your hypothetical 100% crit analysis is indeed quite ridiculous. We kill people with Critical Strike, not with base damage, not with accuracy, and not with evasion.
Critical Strike is our number one priority. If it isn't yours you are doing it wrong. You say the only way dex is < crit is if you have a high amount of crit. You don't get a high amount of crit unless you stack crit! Your argument is self defeating.0 -
I was showing both sides of the discussion. Somehow that got passed your chain of thought. Maybe it was too complicated for you.
A tome with +1 crit vs a tome with +20 dex is pretty obvious. And its not all about Crit in a battle. Wizzeled has less crit than me but his damage is insane and tops my crit rate anyday.
Dex > Crit
Without Dex, you can't do anything
Without Crit, you can rely on Dex.
Archers are not the higher crit users anymore. Assassin rolled us over. Archers are just the power hit users now.Say my name 3 times, I dare you.
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Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »I was showing both sides of the discussion. Somehow that got passed your chain of thought. Maybe it was too complicated for you.
A tome with +1 crit vs a tome with +20 dex is pretty obvious. And its not all about Crit in a battle. Wizzeled has less crit than me but his damage is insane and tops my crit rate anyday.
Dex > Crit
Without Dex, you can't do anything
Without Crit, you can rely on Dex.
Lol, too complicated for me? I've seen your "Archer Guide". Apparently Archer is too complicated for you. Please do not taint the minds of our young archers anymore. And now you are comparing yourself to Wizzled to justify him having less crit? Just stop. This isn't a weapon discussion thread. This thread is about a xmas tome vs another tome. If the other tome isn't giving you back the critical you lost, it's less than.0 -
keep the crit tome or use a dex tome of it would give you crit. save up for lvl 4 tome and after that, for a ***** grace.
if you ever feel the urge to waste a lot of whatever, get love up and down or divine brotherhood. if you get love up and down, restat the str.0 -
Tomiko - Heavens Tear wrote: »Lol, too complicated for me? I've seen your "Archer Guide". Apparently Archer is too complicated for you. Please do not taint the minds of our young archers anymore. And now you are comparing yourself to Wizzled to justify him having less crit? Just stop. This isn't a weapon discussion thread. This thread is about a xmas tome vs another tome. If the other tome isn't giving you back the critical you lost, it's less than.
Pft, Archer Guide was built in like 5 minutes. I was still working on it when it was closed. And I dunno, I think my Archer turned out pretty good. Everyone seems to love it. *shrug* Maybe you're just jealous. I'm done fighting with you, I'm getting back to topic now.
+1 Crit < +20 Dex SolvedSay my name 3 times, I dare you.
~Technotic
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Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »Pft, Archer Guide was built in like 5 minutes. I was still working on it when it was closed. And I dunno, I think my Archer turned out pretty good. Everyone seems to love it. *shrug* Maybe you're just jealous. I'm done fighting with you, I'm getting back to topic now.
+1 Crit < +20 Dex Solved
... Again, comparing ***** Grace with Christmas Tome was not the point of thread, that comparison is pointless.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Sint - Harshlands wrote: »keep the crit tome or use a dex tome of it would give you crit. save up for lvl 4 tome and after that, for a ***** grace.
if you ever feel the urge to waste a lot of whatever, get love up and down or divine brotherhood. if you get love up and down, restat the str.
Do not get a level 4 tome. For the price you can more than likely pick up a level 5 tome. Do not get Qu33r Grace. Qu33r Grace is 20 dex 1% crit. Voidlands is 9 str, 9 dex, 9 magic, 8 vit, and 1% crit. It's only 2 dex off from another full % crit; that's good enough. Plus it has 9 magic and 8 vit, and is required for Pan Gu, if you decide on that. Divine Brotherhood should only interest sage archers, as Love up and Down has - interval and is a clear winner. I gave it to you straight on the first page.0 -
Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »... Again, comparing ***** Grace with Christmas Tome was not the point of thread, that comparison is pointless.
It's too late for that, man, you already opened up a can of worms.0 -
Christmas Tome < LvL 4 Tome < Void Land < Qu33r Grace < Love up down < Divine Brotherhood
Thats for pure Archers anyways. Void land does give you str +9 but its a waste. +9 dex, +9 str, +9 vit, +9 mag, +1 crit only gives you +9 vit and +9 mag. Compared to Qu33rs grace which gives you +20 dex and +1 crit, the +9 str and +9 dex boost is only 18. You lose 2 points by picking Void Lands.
Love Up Down is obviously worth it compared to Qu33rs Grace. Divine Brotherhood and Love Up Down is tricky. I think I would pick Divine Brotherhood over Love Up Down because of the crit but Love up Down has faster attack and more used points.
I just use Qu33rs Grace.Say my name 3 times, I dare you.
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pffft, all this noobs talkin about dex and crits
**** all of that. use +45 magic tome and enuff said, ur metal attacks will pawn the **** outta heavies.
b:bye
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Is it bad when I can just walk in, and get the fact that a tome not giving enough dex to reach a multiple of 20 for the extra crit isn't as good as the crit from xmas tome? No idea where the 20 dex tome comes in, as bringing that up just shouts 'Not getting a freaking thing' quite glaringly.
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if you cant afford ridiculous tomes, just get a +15 dex one, itll more than likely always increase your crit, and theyre plenty affordable.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »if you cant afford ridiculous tomes, just get a +15 dex one, itll more than likely always increase your crit, and theyre plenty affordable.
The thing is, a +15 dex tome is quite expensive for the little boost that it gives.
Oh well, I just wanted to raise some discussion about non-event tomes, since there was none.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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