Does Glitching results to ban?

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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    how about those under level 30? (exception obviously of clerics)

    And how is someone UNDER 30 PK enabled? Guess what.. they are not, because they can not be PK enabled before level 30. Fail.. dude so fricking fail.

    Seriously, you are just trolling now, either that or you have the IQ of a rotten potato.

    ~S
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LamiaRegina - Sanctuary wrote: »
    MANray, do everyone a favor and shut up. For the love of God. You attacked Jenna first. She simply retaliated. She left the thread, and you post a comment against her. You obviously can't read. And I agree, you're too stupid to be an attorney. /wrists pl0x.

    No one asked for your opinion, and l2read noob. Prove me i attacked her first and i'll apologize. You think it's trolls and morons like you that get paid to walk into court? LOL. I'm very good at what i do. Someone tries insults in a trial and they literally get thrown out in the street. Are you in any way comparing courts to forums? Ever even been to one?

    This is a hobby. Freaking get that. It has nothing to do with who we are irl. I don't care if you believe what i do for a living, i hold a registration in my wallet that pretty much makes it clear whenever someone with a legitimate reason requires proof. What do YOU do for a living? Do you even have a job?

    Edit; And i'm actually very curious about this. Who are you? Someone who's never posted on this forums decides to take on a troll out of the blue? Come on, i wasn't born yesterday. Is this Jenna hiding behind an alt? Someone with a grudge from another thread? Really, this is pathetically laughable...
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    how about those under level 30? (exception obviously of clerics)



    again, you are avoiding my counter argument

    Dude, freaking get it. What's your argument? If an archer up in the air attacks you from range then that's the same thing as you glitching a boss? It's not. Game mechanics involved are different. Bosses can attack air pets from certain angles, they glitch on others. The coding fails. When you're being attacked you can't fight because you don't have ranged attacks or their range isn't enough. Do i have to draw you a picture? Do you need puppets?

    And what part of GMs consider it cheating can't you get. Do you think they're wrong about this? With all the things that need attention in the game do you think they invent rules just to annoy you. How much clearer do you want it?

    Pet attacks boss. Boss glitches, fails to respond as it should because of a flaw in the program running it.

    Archer attacks you. You're underleveled, your genie has no useful skills.

    It's not the same. Just refusing to acknowledge that your argument has been addressed and repeating no doesn't make you right. You have no leg to stand on.
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And how is someone UNDER 30 PK enabled? Guess what.. they are not, because they can not be PK enabled before level 30. Fail.. dude so fricking fail.

    Seriously, you are just trolling now, either that or you have the IQ of a rotten potato.

    ~S

    lol, you are the one who's failing right now. under 30s can enter the arena (if it were open). under 30s can TW (and yes, i understand that that's idiocy for such a lowbie to go into TW, but point still stands)
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Dude, freaking get it. What's your argument? If an archer up in the air attacks you from range then that's the same thing as you glitching a boss? It's not. Game mechanics involved are different. Bosses can attack air pets from certain angles, they glitch on others. The coding fails. When you're being attacked you can't fight because you don't have ranged attacks or their range isn't enough. Do i have to draw you a picture? Do you need puppets?

    And what part of GMs consider it cheating can't you get. Do you think they're wrong about this? With all the things that need attention in the game do you think they invent rules just to annoy you. How much clearer do you want it?

    Pet attacks boss. Boss glitches, fails to respond as it should because of a flaw in the program running it.

    Archer attacks you. You're underleveled, your genie has no useful skills.

    It's not the same. Just refusing to acknowledge that your argument has been addressed and repeating no doesn't make you right. You have no leg to stand on.

    what you dont seem to grasp, is that both share the EXACT same concept, take out all the peripheral rationalizations, and you are stuck with the same premise
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    lol, you are the one who's failing right now. under 30s can enter the arena (if it were open). under 30s can TW (and yes, i understand that that's idiocy for such a lowbie to go into TW, but point still stands)



    what you dont seem to grasp, is that both share the EXACT same concept, take out all the peripheral rationalizations, and you are stuck with the same premise

    oh boy -.-; this is just idiotic ramblings i see.

    think about it this way if i attack a lvl 30 im gonna end it even before they get a chance to fly away. are you trying to say that im "glitching the game?"
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    lol, you are the one who's failing right now. under 30s can enter the arena (if it were open). under 30s can TW (and yes, i understand that that's idiocy for such a lowbie to go into TW, but point still stands)



    what you dont seem to grasp, is that both share the EXACT same concept, take out all the peripheral rationalizations, and you are stuck with the same premise

    What you don't seem to grasp you raging moron is that they both DO NOT share the same concept. The code of a boss that doesn't allow it to attack a flying pet, versus some pathetic idiot that is too stupid to buy an aerogear when he is able to has nothing in common. An under 30 going into TW is as likely to survive someone flying, as a barb towing a cat attacked by my Nix. Sorry, but the barb is ground based, and my nix just kicked his ****. Your argument failed.

    The arena isn't open, and isn't likely to be open. No argument here worthy of addressing other than to point out what an incredible fricking moron you are.

    TW is player versus player, not player versus mob, your analogy fails. again.

    YOU are a seriously afflicted mental midget unable to grasp something so insanely simple that my 6 year old mentally handicapped cousin can understand it.

    The code is broken on a mini-boss.

    The code is not broken on a player.

    Were the player able to fly they could attack the aerial attacker. Because they have not reached a level to fly or haven't purchased an aerogear is not broken code, it is player failure to level sufficiently or to buy an aerogear. If they had an aeorgear or were able to fly, they would be able to retaliate against the attacking player. No code is broken here.

    So when your stupidity stops showing itself, and you stop being a total fricking tard, you might be able to grasp such a simple difference.

    Right now, all you are showing us is you have the IQ of someone bordering on the vegetative state. And that is being insulting to the vegetables.

    ~Saitada
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    nvm -_- you all just cant see it
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    nvm -_- you all just cant see it

    No, your just not smart enough to see how incredibly stupid your premise is.

    There is a difference between broken code on a miniboss, and a player not being high enough level to fly.

    You can level high enough, to bypass that limitation.

    The code is still broken on the miniboss.

    That is the difference.

    You just simply fail to understand that the stupidity you are trying to espouse, has no tenable ground to stand on.

    This tells me two things about you.

    1. Your stupid.
    2. Your an Idiot.

    I think I am going to go charge some ZEN and put it on LC, and offer a bounty on your head, just because your so stupid.

    ~S
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    nvm -_- you all just cant see it

    i seriously hope you are a troll and you truly arent this stupid.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i seriously hope you are a troll and you truly arent this stupid.

    I think they truly ARE this stupid.

    ~S
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No, your just not smart enough to see how incredibly stupid your premise is.

    There is a difference between broken code on a miniboss, and a player not being high enough level to fly.

    You can level high enough, to bypass that limitation.

    The code is still broken on the miniboss.

    That is the difference.

    You just simply fail to understand that the stupidity you are trying to espouse, has no tenable ground to stand on.

    This tells me two things about you.

    1. Your stupid.
    2. Your an Idiot.

    I think I am going to go charge some ZEN and put it on LC, and offer a bounty on your head, just because your so stupid.

    ~S

    here's the core point:

    it is bannable to attack something that cant attack back

    that is what they are in essence saying...

    sorry, you lose b:bye

    and also, have you SEEN said code? no?

    so all this talk is based on something that probably doesnt even exist, but i wont even start down that path of discussion
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    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think they truly ARE this stupid.

    ~S

    sigh try the demon sage thread they said they have all races/classes end game with both paths chosen.

    (so that makes what 12 characters at endgame?)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    here's the core point:

    it is bannable to attack something that cant attack back

    that is what they are in essence saying...

    sorry, you lose b:bye

    and also, have you SEEN said code? no?

    so all this talk is based on something that probably doesnt even exist, but i wont even start down that path of discussion

    No. All this is about certain mobs that can't attack flying pets due to errors in their coding that has been admitted to by the GM's.

    This is entirely different from a player on the ground that gets WTFPWND by someone flying, because they don't have the ability to fly. If they had an aerogear, they could fly, so the problem here is not that they can't retaliate, because they could were they high enough level to have/get an aerogear, the problem here is the player failed to do what they needed to do, to be able to retaliate. Your argument, for the millionth time, fails.

    Also, whether I have or have not seen the code is immaterial here. Whats material here is that you couldn't reason your way out of a wet paper bag that is ripped in half with the arguments you are trying to espouse. They are spurious at best, and completely without even the remotest sense of any logic to them at all.

    Go tell your mother that you want her to perform a Post Partum Abortion on you.

    ~S

    p.s. I am enjoying flaming you here btw. I've been in a bad mood all day. Thanks for the fun XD.
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    p.s. I am enjoying flaming you here btw. I've been in a bad mood all day. Thanks for the fun XD.

    glad i could help b:thanks
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    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    glad i could help b:thanks

    rofl. Ok anyway I'm going to go kill things on my other game before the server shuts down. Seems once again Goonswarm has decided to invade my wormhole. They just don't understand, this is my territory. I already collapsed the wormhole entrance so they can't go back the way they came, and now I am hunting them down one by one.

    They really hate me. CovertOps FTW!

    ~S
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    rofl. Ok anyway I'm going to go kill things on my other game before the server shuts down. Seems once again Goonswarm has decided to invade my wormhole. They just don't understand, this is my territory. I already collapsed the wormhole entrance so they can't go back the way they came, and now I am hunting them down one by one.

    They really hate me. CovertOps FTW!

    ~S

    i'll go ahead and just pretend i have a clue what you're talkin about b:bye
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    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Chovan - Harshlands
    Chovan - Harshlands Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    He's talking about another MMO b:laugh
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Chovan - Harshlands wrote: »
    He's talking about *edited* b:laugh

    I'd remove the MMO name from your post. They get techy about that here.

    I fly a Legion SC, CovertOps configuration with Interdiction Nullifier. T2 and faction modules.

    It's a nasty piece of work.

    ~S
  • Faith_z - Sanctuary
    Faith_z - Sanctuary Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    rofl. Ok anyway I'm going to go kill things on my other game before the server shuts down. Seems once again Goonswarm has decided to invade my wormhole. They just don't understand, this is my territory. I already collapsed the wormhole entrance so they can't go back the way they came, and now I am hunting them down one by one.

    They really hate me. CovertOps FTW!

    ~S

    ROFL, i caught this post of you and it made me laugh so hard! Goons *cant find vomit smiley*

    And why doesnt it surprise me you got a nasty piece of work down there too? :P Saitada-tude! :P

    Greetz from Zazhas and Faith Comet :P
    My caracters:
    Faith_z - 7x Cleric (main)
    HaveFaith_z - 5x Veno
    Ivory_Soul -3x Psychic

    Dont give me an attitude, I got one of my own!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Saitadatude FTW :P
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Faith_z - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ROFL, i caught this post of you and it made me laugh so hard! Goons *cant find vomit smiley*

    And why doesnt it surprise me you got a nasty piece of work down there too? :P Saitada-tude! :P

    Greetz from Zazhas and Faith Comet :P

    *wardecs Virtual Life Vanguard*

    Oh wait your a member of Black Star Alliance... your WAYYYY out there on the rim. Pegasus / Fountain area huh? To far for me to fly. LOL. Not that my corp of 4 of Me will do much against you guys lol.

    My Legion Lucifers Ghost

    Bit of a fail fit, I was doing missions when I took that picture. I usually have a scram where the Shield booster is.

    ~S
  • Faith_z - Sanctuary
    Faith_z - Sanctuary Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *wardecs Virtual Life Vanguard*

    Oh wait your a member of Black Star Alliance... your WAYYYY out there on the rim. Pegasus / Fountain area huh? To far for me to fly. LOL. Not that my corp of 4 of Me will do much against you guys lol.

    My Legion Lucifers Ghost

    Bit of a fail fit, I was doing missions when I took that picture. I usually have a scram where the Shield booster is.

    ~S

    b:laugh
    Well, a wardec by a schizo troll :P that should be fun. My bf plays more then i do, Faith Comet is my caracter and Zaz is his, not much pvp tho, more into logistics, i am training for the Basilisk to rep etc. But i do plan on shooting some stuff soon, bout time too lol.

    And why oh why cant i find a Lucifers Ghost in there? Are you hiding? Come out come out wherever you are rofl.
    My caracters:
    Faith_z - 7x Cleric (main)
    HaveFaith_z - 5x Veno
    Ivory_Soul -3x Psychic

    Dont give me an attitude, I got one of my own!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Saitadatude FTW :P
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The point is glitching a boss is cheating. I was countering an argument which stated that exploiting bugs is fine since dev oversight is responsible for their being there.

    I feel i understand your point but I also feel you have mis-stated your point.

    For example, I have a daily quest in old heaven's tear, which often puts us in blackhole's path. To keep my friends safe, I usually glitch him. Except, of course, my glitch happens to be a different glitch than your glitch. (My glitch would the glitch that every archer encounters when they try fighting monsters from safety.) And, of course, blackhole is not a boss, he is an elite -- but I have also used variations of this glitch on bosses.

    So I would express your point like this: "Using glitches to kill a boss without any chance of retaliation is cheating."

    That said, I also agree with people that have asked that the game be altered so that this kind cheating is not possible with an unhacked game client.

    (And I think also that an alert should go off when this kind of cheating occurs -- and that should be fairly simple if they can track damage dealt, before defenses, by the glitchable boss, before he dies -- if they can log the relevant information they can have some other program going along after the fact and setting off alerts when the logs reveal glitching).

    So I will post also post this in the suggestion forum.
  • Jennalicious - Sanctuary
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This hasn't been closed yet? LOL! It would appear that I have a new fan in MANray. Please stop your obsession with me, it is quite pathetic. And I would respond to your posts after I clearly stated that I left, but all I saw was "QQ".

    And you say you're good at what you do. If that thing is being an idiotic troll, then yes, you're very good at that.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This hasn't been closed yet? LOL! It would appear that I have a new fan in MANray. Please stop your obsession with me, it is quite pathetic. And I would respond to your posts after I clearly stated that I left, but all I saw was "QQ".

    And you say you're good at what you do. If that thing is being an idiotic troll, then yes, you're very good at that.

    OOoohh! i meant for you to come back in your alt...
    Really, have you no pride? You're no longer even interested in the thread's topic, you just came here to flame. And is idiotic troll the best you can do? b:chuckle

    And isn't "i would respond..." kind of an oxymoron? LOL You're fail...
  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I've seen quite enough flames for one day, thank you.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Using a flying pet to glitch a mob, preventing it from attacking, is considered exploiting a bug. This is a ToS violation, and falls here:

    (l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players
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